Friday, April 19, 2013

Bob Thiel, the Non-Ordained Self-Appointed Prophet's Corporate Sole "Church" Status

The non-ordained self-appointed false prophet Thiel recently got pissed off at the Living Church of God and formed his own splinter personality group.  He formed a "corporation sole" just like Herb did in Tuscon where he tried to usurp the California Attorney General.

What Thiel did by doing this was to set himself up UNDER the State of California.  The State of California ultimately rules everything in his cult.

In America, incorporation is completely voluntary. Furthermore, as we've already mentioned, it used to be almost impossible to incorporate a church, based upon the fact that no church can be free and independent of that government that incorporates it. 

Yet churches today incorporate routinely, a decision which they make with about as much care and consideration as what brand of tissue paper to use in their lavatories; this in spite of the fact that there are huge legal and theological ramifications to any church seeking incorporation.

In point of fact, there is a great deal that your attorney is not likely to disclose, in the way of the various legal attributes of the corporation, that you might not find so attractive. In the landmark case of Hale vs. Henkel, the U.S. Supreme Court stated the following regarding corporations:
Upon the other hand, the corporation is a creature of the State. It is presumed to be incorporated for the benefit of the public. It receives certain special privileges and franchises, and holds them subject to the laws of the State and the limitations of its charter. Its powers are limited by law. It can make no contract not authorized by its charter. Its rights to act as a corporation are only preserved to it so long as it obeys the laws of its creation.
Hale v. Henkel, 201 U.S. 43 at 74 (1906)
From this case we learn that:
  • A corporation is “a creature of the State.”
  • The State is "sovereign" over the corporation.
  • The corporation is “incorporated for the benefit of the public.”
  • A corporation is a State “franchise.”
  • Incorporation is a State “privilege.”
  • A corporation is “subject to the laws of the State.”
  • “Its powers are limited by law.”
  • It must “obey the laws of its creation.”
  • A corporation has no constitutionally-protected rights.

Many cults in California set themselves up as corporation sole's assuming that they will have some of these benefits.  These are the urban legends that surround corporation soles:

Of the dozens of internet sites now promoting the corporation sole, most have only popped up in just the last few years.
Some of the benefits and legal attributes being touted about the corporation sole, and what it can allegedly do for you, include:
  • Tax immunity
    • Automatically qualifies as tax-exempt under IRS code section 508c1A
    • Automatically tax exempt without having to obtain 501c3 status
    • No business income taxes
    • No personal income taxes
    • No capital gains taxes
    • No property taxes
    • No excise taxes
  • Asset protection
    • Judgement-proof
    • No liens
    • No levies
    • No garnishments
    • No seizures
  • Personal sovereignty
  • Freedom from government meddling and oversight
  • Privacy

  • Operates under the legal protection of a church
  • Has the same legal status as an ecclesiastical or religious society
  • Protected by the U.S. Constitution with guaranteed First Amendment rights
  • Is not "incorporated"
  • Is not government "registered"
  • No government reporting
  • Is not regulated by State statute
  • Is governed by canon (ecclesiastical) law and not civil (secular) law
  • Is governed exclusively by its own bylaws
  • Not under IRS jurisdiction
  • Not under State jurisdiction
  • Not under court jurisdiction

  • The non-ordained self-appointed prophet Thiel had better be careful if he pays his wife or kids to do "work" in his cult.  He has some major liability issues if he does may his family money from the cult finances.  Ron Weinland is in prison for abusing that principle.

    Myth: A corporation sole can make "charible donations" and engage in other acts of "benevolence." Therefore, it can pay your children's tuition, donate a new wardrobe to you and your wife [and while you're at it, why not a new Rolex?], contribute your family groceries, pay your mortgage, utilities, etc.

    If corporation sole officers pay out money to themselves, or their relatives or friends, or write checks to pay personal bills, that cannot be construed as a "charitable contribution." Such payments aren't "charitable donations" because they fail to comport with the legal criteria of a "charitable purpose." Furthermore, such a "donation" clearly violates the legal requirements for being and maintaining a tax exempt status, under both IRC 501c3 and 508c1A:
       " part of the net earnings of which inures to the benefit of any private    shareholder or individual."

    The IRS terms such "donation" arrangements "abusive." Making "donations" to your own family and claiming that it's an act of "charity" is nothing less than tax fraud, for which the IRS has a nasty habit of prosecuting.
     The non-ordained self-appointed prophet has set himself up to be told what to do and what to say what the State tells him to do.  This is the very thing that he claims Living Church of God is cowering in South Carolina over.  Thiel claims that LCG is not speaking up forcefully against gays, abortion and other things he deems  issues today.  Thiel claims LCG has wimped out and is scared of the State.  Yet, by incorporating as he has, Thiel is in the exact same boat.  The State can tell him what he is allowed to say and what he cannot.  It should then come as no surprise when we see Thiel throttled down for his asinine prophetic utterances that he will immediately claim persecution.

    Apparently having hands laid upon him twice did not have any common sense come along with it.  Either that or someone jiggled God's hands when he was tying to pour in the "double portion" of knowledge into Thiel's head.

    Hands have twice been properly laid upon me for the Holy Spirit: the first was upon baptism. And the second time was on 12/15/11 for a "double-portion" of the Holy Spirit by a duly ordained minister in the Living Church of God, who anointed me with oil and laid hands upon me. Responding to that, I try to do what it seems God wants (1 Timothy 4:14-16; Jude 3).

    This "double-portion" (2 Kings 2:9-13) anointing was God's anointing (the minister has not intended to pray for that prior) for my prophetic and evangelical role (1 Timothy 4:14-16; 2 Timothy 1:6; Hebrews 6:2; 1 Corinthians 12:28; see also How To Determine If Someone is a True Prophet of God). Contrary to certain myths some wish to perpetuate, I am not self-anointed.


    Byker Bob said...

    This is like someone buying a guitar not because it suits one's own playing style and the sound for which one is looking, but simply because it's just like one Eric Clapton has.

    (Sigh!) More Herbolatry!


    Joe Moeller said...

    Personal inurement from a corporation sole WILL NOT be viewed favorably by the IRS.

    For anyone interested, here is the IRS "tip line"...

    Blowing the Whistle on a Tax Cheat..

    The IRS may pay awards in exchange for valuable information that leads to the collection of "taxes, penalties, interest or other amounts from the noncompliant taxpayer," according to the agency's website. There are various types of awards granted, depending on the evader's income level and classification.

    Joe Moeller
    Cody, WY

    Anonymous said...

    Looks like Prophet Bob had better hire an appropriate male tax attorney to advise him what to do to stay out of legal trouble, and thus out of jail.

    There are various types of awards granted, depending on the evader's income level and classification.

    I'm guessing that the IRS doesn't look too favorably on naturopaths who branch off into the religion business with minimal legitimate credentialing in either field. Since Bob is rather well off, I think he can count on being audited sooner rather than later.

    Head Usher said...

    "...I try to do what it seems God wants..."

    Note the wiggle words and uncertainty:

    I "try" to do what "it seems" god wants.

    Just the way he phrases this shows that he knows he's just a regular guy with no special insight, no special wisdom, no special information from a deity or anyone else. He just "tries" and fails like any average guy. He just operates based upon how things "seem" to him, an average guy. He speaks with no authority or certainty. He is privy to no special information and cannot boast a deity as the source of any of his "prophetic" ramblings. He's all but admitted in these nine little words that he is nothing more than a desperate, insecure, lying blowhard.

    Thanks for straightening that out for us Bob!

    Anonymous said...

    Is IRS acting on anonymous tip? I might as well write IRS about this guy so that he can be investigated immediately. If 3 or 4 of us do so, IRS would realize that where there is smoke, there is fire.

    Corky said...

    Contrary to certain myths some wish to perpetuate, I am not self-anointed.

    They're all self-anointed because whoever anointed them were self-anointed too. There is no apostolic succession, that's a false Catholic doctrine.

    They are wolves in shepherd's clothing who have deceived their flock of sheep. Not just the CoG preachers but all of 'em (Rom. 9:28).

    Anonymous said...

    We missed one possibility. Theil may be introducing sole into his ministry to attract our former brethren from the African American community?

    Oh, that's actually spelled s-o-u-l? Never mind.

    Emily Litella