Sunday, June 2, 2013

Dennis "Musing on Trying and the Weather 'gods'"

Muse on This...

A low pressure system typically brings stormy weather


The Bible shows that whirlwinds are one of the forms of weather that God controls:
3 The Lord is slow to anger and great in power,
And will not at all acquit the wicked.
The Lord has His way
In the whirlwind and in the storm,
And the clouds are the dust of His feet. (
Nahum 1;3)

If You HAD to Guess--Which Would It Be?


Job 27:

21 A cyclone sweeps them up — gone!
Not a trace of them left, not even a footprint.
22 Catastrophes relentlessly pursue them;
they run this way and that, but there’s no place to hide —
23 Pummeled by the weather,
blown to kingdom come by the storm.’
 THE MESSAGE: The Bible in Contemporary Language © 2002 by Eugene H. Peterson.)


National Atmospheric and Oceanic Administration

Severe Weather

Thunderstorms, Tornadoes, and Lightning  - Nature’s most violent storms.

Thunderstorms affect relatively small areas when compared with hurricanes and winter storms. The typical thunderstorm is 15 miles in diameter and lasts an average of 30 minutes. Despite their small size, ALL thunderstorms are dangerous! Of the estimated 100,000 thunderstorms that occur each year in the United States, about 10 percent are classified as severe.
Tornadoes - Although tornadoes occur in many parts of the world, they are found most frequently in the United States.....

  • A tornado is a violently rotating column of air extending from a thunderstorm to the ground.
  • Tornadoes cause an average of 70 fatalities and 1,500 injuries in the U.S. each year..
  • The strongest tornadoes have rotating winds of more than 250 mph.
  • Tornadoes can be one mile wide and stay on the ground over 50 miles.
  • Tornadoes may appear nearly transparent until dust and debris are picked up or a cloud forms within the funnel. The average tornado moves from southwest to northeast, but tornadoes have been known to move in any direction.
  • The average forward speed is 30 mph but may vary from nearly stationary to 70 mph.
  • Waterspouts are tornadoes which form over warm water. They can move onshore and cause damage to coastal areas.
  • Causes an average of about 60 fatalities and 300 injuries each year.
  • Lightning occurs in all thunderstorms; each year lightning strikes the United States 25 million times.
  • The energy from one lightning flash could light a 100-watt light bulb for more than 3 months.
  • Most lightning fatalities and injuries occur when people are caught outdoors in the summer months during the afternoon and evening.
  • Lightning can occur from cloud-to-cloud, within a cloud, cloud-to-ground, or cloud-to-air.
  • Many fires in the western United States and Alaska are started by lightning.
  • The air near a lightning strike is heated to 50,000°F--hotter than the surface of the sun!
  • The rapid heating and cooling of the air near the lightning channel causes a shock wave that results in thunder.
  • When Thunder Roars, Go Indoors! - NWS lighnting safety site helps ypu learn more about lightning risks and how to protect yourself, your loved ones and your belongings. The site offers a comprehensive page of handouts, brochures, links and more.
Straight-line Winds...
  • Straight-line winds are responsible for most thunderstorm wind damage.
  • Winds can exceed 100 mph!
  • One type of straight-line wind, the downburst, is a small area of rapidly descending air beneath a thunderstorm
  • A downburst can cause damage equivalent to a strong tornado and can be extremely dangerous to aviation.
  • A “dry microburst” is a downburst that occurs with little or no rain. These destructive winds are most common in the western United States
Flash Flooding...
  • Is the #1 cause of deaths associated with thunderstorms...more than 140 fatalities each year
  • Most flash flood fatalities occur at night and most victims are people who become trapped in automobiles.
  • Six inches of fast-moving water can knock you off your feet; a depth of two feet will cause most vehicles to float.
  • Strong rising currents of air within a storm, called updrafts, carry water droplets to a height where freezing occurs.
  • Ice particles grow in size, becoming too heavy to be supported by the updraft, and fall to the ground.
  • Causes more than $1 billion in damage to property and crops each year.
  • Large stones fall at speeds faster than 100 mph

The pagans that surrounded the Hebrews, who historians now feel were merely low class Canaanites of the day who detached from the family instead of battled their way into the Promised Land, felt this guy did all the dirty work.

Baal (Lord) Raingod

The real purpose of Genesis One was NOT to explain how everything was created in reality but to send one clear message to Mr. Baal and all the gods of wind, rain, fire, animals, vegetables and minerals.   Our Hebrew God MADE Your little gods.  And the rest we call the Bible. 

This short essay is not about proving that weather is just weather whether you believe it or not.  It is about common sense in our own times.  It is about superstition gone literal and religion gone nuts.  For thousands of years humans have seen the anger of the gods and of the Hebrew/Christian God in the weather.  That's a very very old superstition.  Humans anthropromorphize the common things of our planet that shape and form it and occasionally run into it into acts of the gods and even today of God. 


Becomes this...

The first is a reality that has erased life from this planet several times in the past and without which humans would not have evolved to the present state.  The second is the humans who have conscious awareness of who they are and that they can die and then what trying to explain it all to themselves.   But that was over the past 100,000 years and we have learned more in the last 200 years than in all of them.  We have learned more in the last 20 years than the last 200. 

Read all the "where were you's in Job asked by YHVH to Job and realize that most if not all those questions that Job was stuck with a "no I don't" answer , today are simple "Sure we do," answers most grade school kids can answer. 

Bob Thiel and others use the ancient "this is where we think it comes from and why" scriptures to motivate people not only to "repent" but in reality to be so impressed by their insights (which are not actually impressive)  and use of ancient ideas that they will come to them , join them and support them. It's a very old gig.  All fundamentalists do the same thing.  Dave Pack motivates with the normal, though violent weather issues on the planet as do they all.  But the conscious or subconscious motive is to get others to join their organizations and support them in the style they want to get used to.  IMHO.  I'm not saying they don't believe their own views or do so insincerely, but I do believe they are stuck in time and selling ignorance and stupid to other sincere folk.  Intelligent stupidity is not a great quality.

"God uses weather and other events to TRY to get people’s attention.
God does NOT WANT people to suffer, but to turn to Him:

Mercy!  If a God wanted to get my attention, just talk to me!  I'm listening if I can prove I am not psychotic or schizophrenic.  God can't "not want" and "want" at the same time.  That's the old "This is going to hurt me more than it hurts you," when in fact it does not hurt any God at all and totally hurts humans.  YHVH of the OT does not seem "hurt" by the 2,140,000 or so documented and horrific murders of men women and children who disagree with or never heard of the Hebrew version.  NOT ONE OF THOSE FOLK TURNED TO YHVH because of this approach.

10 “Therefore you, O son of man, say to the house of Israel: ‘Thus you say, “If our transgressions and our sins lie upon us, and we pine away in them, how can we then live?”‘ 11 Say to them: ‘As I live,’ says the Lord God, ‘I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel?’ (Ezekiel 33:10-11)


Deuteronomy 28:63 Just as it pleased the LORD to make you prosper and increase in number, so it will please him to ruin and destroy you. You will be uprooted from the land you are entering to possess.

Proverbs 1:24-26 But since you rejected me when I called and no one gave heed when I stretched out my hand, since you ignored all my advice and would not accept my rebuke, I in turn will laugh at your disaster; I will mock when calamity overtakes you.

Guess it depends on who you quote
Not every OT prophet saw Baal (Lord) now YHVH (Lord) in the weather.  Or if he did there was a time when YHVH set him straight on that.

1 Kings 19:11-13

King James Version (KJV)
11 And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the Lord. And, behold, the Lord passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the Lord; but the Lord was NOT in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the Lord was NOT in the earthquake:
12 And after the earthquake a fire; but the Lord was NOT in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.
13 And it was so, when Elijah heard it, that he wrapped his face in his mantle, and went out, and stood in the entering in of the cave. And, behold, there came a voice unto him, and said, What doest thou here, Elijah?"

I'll ask you COG ministers who still use Bronze Age ignorance to motivate people into current age organizations the same question.   What are you doing hiding in the cave of ignorance, fear , guilt and shame?  God doesn't have to try Bob and Dave, I know Haggai and you ain't no Haggai.  

Here is the modern version of that "Still and small voice..."

Hubble Deep Field Image Unveils Myriad Galaxies Back to the Beginning of Time

About 1,500 galaxies are visible in this deep view of the universe, taken by allowing the Hubble Space Telescope to stare at the same tiny patch of sky for 10 consecutive days in 1995. The image covers an area of sky only about width of a dime viewed from 75 feet away.
Or a grain of sand held out at arms length on the end of your finger.

Can you hear the still and small voice now loud mouths

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Lake of Fire Church of God said...

Like Senator Lloyd Bentsen in the 1988 Vice Presidential debate, Dennis debating Dave Pack states:

"I read Haggai. I knew Haggai from his book. The book of Haggai was a friend of mine. Dave, you're no Haggai".


Head Usher said...

Now Dennis, you're surely not attacking all of christendom are you?

Just had to get that in early...

Joe Moeller said...

Dennis in a debate with Pack, (using adulterated quotes from Ronald Reagan)...

3) "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the Restored Church of God and I'm here to help.'"

2) "You don't have a multi-million dollar debt because we haven't tithed enough; you have a multi million dollar debt because you spend too much."

1) Dave Pack... quit tearing down this Church.

And one more from John F. Kennedy...
David Pack...ask not what your church can do for you — ask what you can do for your church!

Much better than if GTA could debate Pack, wouldnt you agree? For that would surely go like this...

"I did NOT have SEX with that woman!"

Joe Moeller
Cody, WY

Anonymous said...

It's truly amazing that some people still consider the Bible to be the "Word of God" instead of placing it in it's proper historical context.

Maybe it's because a fraction of the population like to see themselves as some sort of biblical superheroes?

Take, for example the following two people-

Person A (a Christian) is ecstatic that she gets to tithe to Christian organizations whose leaders are braggarts about their gods' powers.

Person B (an agnostic) contributes to charitable organizations that help others.

What's the difference between Person A and Person B?

First of all, hopefully both person's contributions will help others.

But, Person A is infected by a syndrome (one that's not confined to the Christian religion) of wanting to see herself as a superhero- an Uberhuman with the special "inside scoop straight from On High", while Person B is less concerned with being "special", "called by God" etc, and simply is exercising her basic instinct of helping those in need.

Questeruk said...

Hey Head Usher - you're not stealing my thunder are you?

Anonymous said...

yep, Dennis has lost it. (it's a shame too, I used to have a modicum of respect for him)

Anonymous said...

You say that Dennis has lost it, and that you used to have a modicum of respect for him.

Please use a "modicum of respect" and state with what specifically you had agreement or respect with him, and where and how that agreement or respect ended.

Please don't make knee-jerk comments like your last one. Instead, please try better to tell us where you are coming from.

DennisCDiehl said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
yep, Dennis has lost it. (it's a shame too, I used to have a modicum of respect for him)

In what way have I lost "it" and what is the "it" I have lost? If you mean superstition, myth as fact and not taking the Bible as literally true as some promote, then yes, that is "it" I have lost.

What have you found that I lost?

How about a name instead of an anon?

How about writing your own musing on my musings . The blogmeister will be happy to post it. We can have a great discussion here on "it"

DennisCDiehl said...

PS I am not seeking respect. I just have always wanted to know what really is versus what others have taught me what they think really is and isn't after all.

Do you believe Bible God uses weather to try and get our attention? Yes or no

Is weather a natural thing or a God thing?

Since humans have not been on the planet for 99.999999999% of the age of the earth , do you think God waited all this time to try and get our attention with weather?

Is a low pressure system at the correct time of year for difficult weather where humans have chosen to live natural or divine.

Why does God not use tornadoes in Canada to try and get Canadians to seek him?

Why do people in Omaha not have to worry about God sending Polar Bears to try and get their attention?

Why can't God try and get the West Coast to pay attention with Hurricanes in January?

Why can't God try and get the attention of wicked Floridians with earthquakes?

How many millions come to God after these natural disasters and Join RCG,LCG, PKG, PCG or False , self appointedand Non Prophet Thiel?

How many good Christians have a thousand fall at their right side and ten thousand at their left but not have anything happen to them? What was God trying to do with that?

Why is respect only based on agreement and sameness of thought?

Why don''t COG ministers do their homework in the 21st Century and ever change their perspective on much of anything?

Why when a believer falls off the roof Satan pushed them to test them but when a skeptic falls off the roof, it is God trying to tell him to get off the roof and into a church.

Why don't many COG believers ask many questions of their pastors and expect good solid answers choosing to believe the crazy statements, ideas and titles their self centered "see, I'm spoken of in the Bible, leader updates them every Friday on?

I don't need, crave, demand, want or require any personal attention. I do have an obnoxious habit however of wanting to stimulate thinking and maybe help a few folk from giving up their minds, brain, common sense , income , retirements, homes, families, children and earthly possessions to the mentally ill speaking for their idea of a God and allowing NO disagreement because HE, NOT YOU,is correct in how he filters your world for you.

amen i guess...

Anonymous said...

Theil's god suffers from P.A.P.D.(passive aggressive personality disorder).
"How DARE you DUCK when I THROW things at YOU!"
"I'll PUNISH the innocent, that should WAKE you UP!"
"It's ONLY because I LOVE you"
- theil's god

sociopathic madness!

another seekeroftruth

DennisCDiehl said...

aaaaannnnnnnnd...actually I'm not very good at getting anything across evidently as out of the current 983,993 readers alone the way over the past few years I have befriended and they me just a small handful of emailers , one UCG minister, one former RCG minister and a few folk who want to chat about how the whole thing affected them and how to move on and what it takes.

Anyone is welcome to actually use the email at the end of each musing and I promise to discuss or just listen and support those who wish friendship and an ear. I don't have all the answers. I do like questions however and intelligent conversation.

Or friend me on FB . Since I just live here with Chewie the Wookie like Shih Tzu, any intelligent, open minded, non organizationalized female who is former WCG and single is always welcome. I find and have found that I seem to need relationship with those who half understand the journey as opposed to those that have no clue. I probably need to get to know people who have no clue about WCG and all that followed to help me keep moving but I think the caretaker in me (which is not always a great trait) wants to share with someone who knows . I did have a couple relationships like that that imploded due to my mistakes or their less than honest intentions but that's life.

Chewie is my therapy lol Nuff said... I don't do all that well with lonely but it's life lesson and allowing others to be the source of one's happiness or approval is a nasty game. That gives others too much power and when they withdraw it it throws one into the pit. Happiness is an inside job and not the easiest lesson to learn easily.

"Experience is not only the best teacher, it is the only teacher. Everything else is just hearsay."

Anonymous said...

You know, if I lost "it" in my house and didn't quite know what the "it" was, I'd have a pretty hard time finding it.

I once lost my cell phone in the basement, it was in my shirt pocket and fell out when moving things in the basement.
Unfortunately the phone was turned off so I couldn't have it ring to locate it. I went over the same places in the house over and over and finally found it after a VERY small idea came to me to look again in the basement where I'd been lately.

Anonymous said...

Oops, sorry,...
I meant to make the point that when the "it" was known, it was easier to look for.

I can hardly imagine looking for an "it" that's not properly identified.

Anonymous said...

I see our semi-literate anonymous racist/holocaust denier is back, only this time he's attempting psychoanalysis. Give it up, Buckwheat, and go back to your crack pipe. Maybe after a couple more hits, it will respond to your baiting.

Anonymous said...

is that really you dennis asking for friends again? or an impersonator? I have joined a few hiking and other physical exercise type groups and find they are nearly all women. What do past middle aged men do, sit in front of the TV and drink? I know men generally die before women, so older men are at a real advantage. Finally that prophecy of 6 or 7 women for every man comes true. Just my observation.

DennisCDiehl said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
is that really you dennis asking for friends again?

Hi, no it's really me.I get in those moods I guess. You'd think out of 4000 hits a day, SOMEONE interesting would write me personally, but no banana! Tis not meant to be lol.

I need to get out more. Actually going to Carl Sandburg home in Flat Rock NC Saturday night to see "Evita" at the playhouse. Just about an hour north of me here in Greenville. I have to go once in awhile to prove I am not becoming a redneck.

Anonymous said...

so what would you consider interesting Dennis, now I am curious.