Wednesday, October 9, 2013

Dennis Muses: Clear as...

It's a complicated, intricate, not well or totally understood, puzzling, enormously complex, not so simple,  plain to see kinda crystal clear...
"God’s Word is crystal clear!"
Dave Pack-Announcement 27
Adventures In Density And Effort: Clear as Mud
"Readers will find it fascinating. No next “date” will be set, but the reader will be able to conclude for himself what may happen. Mr. Pack will explain what had not been understood." 
Someone-Probably Dave/ Stay tuned Announcement
Clear as mud” (Cowtown to Urban Hipster #
"Before covering vital points and scriptures that all should now keep in mind, it is of course obvious there was an error in the prophecy’s timing(Actually the error is the exegesis) There may be other details that are wrong. I always knew this and said it to the Church more than once. In fact, we are still learning additional elements of it. Mr. Armstrong puzzled and puzzled and puzzled over certain much less complicated prophecies. He often said that things he learned came over time—not all right away, or even close in some cases. There are points we learned “late” in what is an enormously complex prophecy. We knew from early on in our pursuit of the truth that this prophecy did not carry with it the kind of time that Mr. Armstrong always had to properly sort through prophecies—ones that, however great in magnitude as we know some are, were simpler to understand."
Dave Pack-Announcement 26
techtocktoe: Experience can go a long way- or it can get stuck in
"This announcement explains additional expansive elements of the Haggai/Zechariah prophecy that none of us had yet understood."
Dave Pack-Announcement 27
Mr. Pack will be posting two or three more “Friday Announcements” in the coming weeks. These will explain in detail additional expansive elements of the Haggai/Zechariah prophecy. They will open your eyes to things that God has long intended to do in His end-time Work that no one ever understood before, and you will see that His Word is plain!
Someone-Probably Dave-Stay tuned Announcement September 4th

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However...this personally is my idea of crystal clear.  Maybe it's just me...
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Byker Bob said...

The basic question his members should be asking themselves is, "This is an example of God's leadership?"

The "receiver" was most certainly not tuned in!!!

Or, as some famous comedian in the 1970s (Flip Wilson?) once said, "Don't ever write a check with your mouth that your tail can't cash!"

Don't want to get into a raca sort of thing, but Dave has been acting the fool.


Anonymous said...

I have a question, what is MPS? "you are a testament to the miracles being done in MPS"

Found in a FB page of workers/members of RCG. Just curious! This man Pack is very deceiving, but only to the blind who do not check scripture.

Anonymous said...

Davey sez, "Readers will find it fascinating."

I don't find it fascinating.

And I don't think others will find it fascinating either, unless they are fascinated by someone who is psychologically abnormal and keeps pulling crazy ideas out of his ass and presenting them as golden and wonderful.

DennisCDiehl said...

It's obviously going to take a little more time for Dave to realize the problem is not in the "timing" but in the fairytale.

Head Usher said...

"...will 'open your eyes' to 'things' that 'God' has long intended to do in 'His end-time Work' that NO ONE EVER "understood" before, and you will see that His Word is 'plain'!...Mr. Armstrong puzzled and puzzled and puzzled over certain much less complicated prophecies...There are points we learned 'late' in what is an enormously complex prophecy..."

Dave is telling us how "plain" "god's word" is. But what does the word "plain" mean?

Merriam-Webster says "plain" means:
evident to the mind or senses: obvious, clear
free from duplicity or subtlety: blunt
characterized by simplicity: not complicated

Dave is also telling us how "enormously complex" it is (which is why NO ONE before in 2,500 years EVER "understood" it). What does the word "complex" mean?

Merriam-Webster says "complex" means:
having parts that connect in complicated ways
not easy to understand or explain: not simple
hard to separate, analyze, or solve

So Dave is telling us that Haggai is both "plain" and "not plain," "complex" and "not complex," "characterized by simplicity," and yet "not simple," all at the same time. Why is Dave contradicting himself?

"...this 'prophecy' did not carry with it the kind of time that Mr. Armstrong always had to properly 'sort through' prophecies—ones that...were simpler to understand..."

This is a category mistake. Dave is asserting what might be history (even that is doubtful), is, in fact, prophecy. Even if it were prophecy, there's no reason to think it should have been prophecy for 2013, or 1,013, or even just 13. What does Dave mean by there not being "enough time" to "sort through" Haggai? People have been "sorting through" Haggai for 2,500 years. Why should more "sorting through" yield anything new?

" is of course 'obvious' there was 'an error' in the 'prophecy’s' timing. There may be other 'details' that are wrong...In fact, we are still 'learning' additional elements of it..."

If there is anything "plain" about this "prophecy" it is the fact that it's in error. That much truly is simple to understand.

When Dave talks about new "understanding," he's implying he's received new, hidden "information," which never existed in the universe before, esoteric "information" that "god" "revealed" only to him. That's why Dave is saying "no one ever 'understood'" Haggai before. Is such a modern-day gnostic claim credible?

If Dave really has received such "information," why does he need to "sort through" anything? If Dave received such "information," what is there to "learn" about? If such "information" really exists, and it really did come from "god" then how could there be any "details" wrong, including "timing"? If this "information" came from "god," why is Haggai still so "complex" Dave can't figure it out? If "god" told him what it means, and it's so "plain" why is Dave still getting so confused?

Where is this information really coming from? Half the time, he seems to claim it's from his "god," the other half, he seems to actually be claiming it's arising from his own analysis. This information is covered with Dave's fingerprints.

The fact that Dave is contradicting himself, in an attempt at sleight of language, and is further contradicting himself as to the origin of this new "information" is all the internal evidence any textual critic needs to expose Dave's writings as obvious misrepresentation, fraud, and deceit. He's telling us he's making it all up as he goes along.

Anonymous said...

Such blind sheep! 2Ti 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

DennisCDiehl said...

Dave said:

" Next week’s announcement, to appear some time between Monday and Wednesday, will carefully explain additional matters about the prophecy’s timing that came to light a month ago. "

Well, tis 9:50 so time runs out on Wednesday. Perhaps the Elk Hunt after the Feast ran longer than anticipated...