Saturday, September 14, 2013

James Malm: Do Not Associate With Ejaculating Men, They Are Unclean Untill Sunset



James Malm, Armstrongism's Chief Pharisee has been attempting to control all aspects of his cult members lives. Now he is stepping into the bedroom.  When men ejaculate they become unclean until sunset.

The seed of men is considered unclean because it is an issue from the man and he and his wife are to wash and be unclean until the sun is set.

Beware of ejaculating men, put that sin out of your lives and make yourself a perfect Bride.

The collective bride is to remove all blemishes of uncleanness and sin to make herself pure, holy and ready for her marriage to the Holy Husband Jesus Christ and to enter the Holy Family of God the Father.

We are to work diligently to learn sound doctrine and to excise error!  We are not to associate with any unclean thing and that means far more than vicarious sin:  It also means that we are to turn away from proven false doctrine, prophecies and teachings of men, as the spiritual pollution and uncleanness of sin which separates us from God!

Happy Day of Atonement!



Just think how a nice cool glass of water would taste right  now!



Or a delicious breakfast....Just what the Kitchen's ordered!

David C. Pack: When the COG Members Join Us In The Great Reunification They Are REQUIRED to Bring ALL of Their Assets and Give Them to ME!!!!!!




As usual with Dave, it is all about money. Gold and silver and all the money of the COG members who join up with him have all belong to Dave.

Related to this, a final passage explains what the ancient Israelites did after they had been delivered from Egypt: “They came, every one whose heart stirred him up, and every one whom his spirit made willing, and they brought the Lord’s offering to the work of the tabernacle of the congregation, and for all His service…And they came, both men and women, as many as were willing hearted, and brought bracelets, and earrings, and rings, and tablets, all jewels of gold: and every man that offered offered an offering of gold unto the Lord” (Exod. 35:21-22). Exodus 36:7 states, “For the stuff they had was sufficient for all the work to make it, and too much.”

David C. Pack: My god Is Going To Need A New House To Live In When It Comes To Wadsworth. Send In Your Money So I Can Build God's House



Here is the change Dave has needed to fund his new mini-me auditorium in Wadsworth.  Dave's auditorium will be the smallest one ever built by a COG. I am sure his god will really be pleased that Gerald Flurry has a better quality and larger building than what Dave plans on building.

Since Christ was going to dwell with Israel and lead them personally by a pillar of cloud by day and fire by night, He would need His own tent. The people lived in tents and so would God as an “inhabitant” of the camp. Think of the last six chapters of Exodus as outlining the kind of tent (tabernacle) that He wanted for Himself. Have you ever thought of God’s Old Testament tabernacle in the wilderness this way?

David C. Pack: After Great Reunification God's Voice Will Perform Great Miracles




Dave gets crazier by the minute.  The voice of his god is going to do miraculous things in the RCG.  Those on the outside will not be able to hear Dave's god call to him.  Will Dave soon start raising the dead from their graves?  Will Dave resurrect Herb so he can bring him back to run the church?  Would Dave ever allow that to happen?

The next verse shows more about the use of God’s voice, but also how the Church can expect extraordinary blessings going forward after reunification: “The Lord said unto Moses, Thus you shall say unto the children of Israel, You have seen that I have TALKED with you FROM HEAVEN…in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will BLESS you…” (Exod. 20:22, 24).

David C. Pack: The Restored Church of God Will Soon Experience Miraculous Healings Not Available To Other COG Members



Dave's magical exclusionary god is soon going to get really busy healing RCG members of all kinds of diseases.  These miraculous healing will be a sign that Dave is not a liar.....yeah right.....

Notice in the next several passages the crucial importance of hearing and heeding God’s VOICE. The first speaks of how healings, so lacking in the splinters today, may soon be experienced in large numbers by those who follow Christ’s voice back to His Church: “If you will diligently hearken to the voice of the Lord your God [then from Sinai], and will do that which is right in His sight, and will give ear to His commandments…I will put none of these diseases upon you, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the Lord that heals you” (Exod. 15:26).
Dave's cult member swill soon be disease free while the splinter cults will be decimated by all kinds of diseases.

Friday, September 13, 2013

David C. Pack: When the Tens of Thousands Leave the COG's Will They Bring Their Spoils With Them?



Dave seems to think everything going on in his cult is similar to Hebrew scriptures, including the Children of Israel leaving Egypt. When they left Egypt they took the spoils of the Egyptians-gold, silver, precious artifacts and jewels.  Is Davey expecting the COG  members in the splinter groups to do the same thing?  Is he expecting them to steal the assets of the splinter groups after their leaders die?

Exodus 3:20-22 describe how God would deliver His people. They were also to loot the Egyptians. Think of God instructing the remnant in Haggai 1:8 to “bring wood” from their “mountains,” meaning their collapsing governments: “I will stretch out My hand, and smite Egypt with all My wonders…and after that he will let you go. And I will give this people favor in the sight of the Egyptiansyou shall not go empty: but every woman shall borrow [Heb: “demand”] of her neighbor, and of her that sojourns in her house, jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment…and you shall spoil the Egyptians.”

Dave is so incredibly greedy that I would not put it past him to demand that members bring all assets to Dave's cult since they already belong to him.

David C. Pack: My god Is Going To Completely DESTROY the Splinters Leaving NOTHING Remaining



Davey's loving god is getting really pissed.  He is gathering his armies to utterly destroy the remnant Churches of God that refuse to come over to Dave's side.

The COG members in the splinter groups are in bondage.  Only by coming to Dave's cult can they gain eternal life.

Next understand that—time and again—by God’s design (don’t miss this in the growing parallel!), God refused to allow Pharaoh to let His people go. God wanted their release to come on His timing, and to show His power. Today, God is not just going to deliver spiritual Israel from the “Egyptian” leaders under whom they serve. He wants to completely destroy the Egypt around them—to eliminate the place of bondage that now holds them. Yes, God will bring His people out of the splinters, but at the same time He will destroy the splinter organizations around them, leaving nothing remaining. The reader would do well to study the entire book of Exodus to examine the whole process at work for parallels, remembering that God in Haggai points you to this book.

David C. Pack: The Splinters are Egypt - PERIOD!



Dave writes:
Verses in Haggai 2 reveal more about the prophecy. The remnant now having returned, God is speaking to His people and says, “Be strong, all you people of the land, says the Lord, and work: for I am with you, says the Lord of hosts: according to the word that I covenanted with you when you came out of Egypt, so My Spirit remains AMONG you: fear you not” (Hag. 2:4-5). (Dave then jumps to this conclusion)Verse 6 makes plain this is describing a people at the end of the age, not ancient (or modern) Jews or some group in a church of this world.


Dave again takes scriptures meant for a specific people for a specific time and  says it's all about him and his splinter cult.  What an idiot!


Many pages could describe the parallels between ancient Israel leaving Egypt and God’s people leaving the “Egyptian” splinters. While there are of course differences, the parallels are stunning—and fascinating in regard to what God’s people can expect from their God—Jesus Christ, the Head of the Church—in the manner of how He will work with His final small flock of people to complete such a great end-time Work.
Dave's god certainly is impotent.  Why does it need a little group of people to do the job it should have been doing all along?
First we might ask: Why, in regard to the remnant, would there be IN HAGGAI a reference to Egypt and God’s COVENANT with Israel? Every Christian has heard this many times. God calls Christians out of spiritual Egypt, which is a type of this world. Every year during the Days of Unleavened Bread Christians rehearse their coming out of Egypt. Accept it or not, those outside God’s one Church are in the world. Having adopted numerous false doctrines, standards and ways that God commands true Christians to reject, this describes the splinters. In the end, there is only God’s Church and the world, also variously described as Babylon, Egypt and the place of dragons. Christians are in one or the other. They cannot be in both and this includes you. The splinters are Egypt—period. God plans to bring His people out of Egypt, reinstate them into His Church, and work with them as He did ancient Israel when they came out of Egypt during the Exodus. This is what He says.

David C. Pack: I, Along With the True Believers Will Soon Hear Christ's Audible Voice



More proof that Dave Pack is having mental issues.  Jesus Christ and/or his god, is going to start soon speaking to Dave and the Restored Church of God.  Dave and his followers will HEAR that voice.  Unconverted losers will be unable to hear that voice though.  Even Herbert Armstrong never made such outlandish statements as this.


Confirmed in Zechariah

Zechariah 6 brings more proof of God using a literal voice, and in a context directly related to the remnant. The word “shall” all through verses 9-15 indicates the events described have not yet happened. Much explanation could be brought to this longer passage, but for now realize that verses 12-13 will carry more meaning when we move to the next subhead:

“Thus speaks the Lord of hosts [to Joshua], saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and He shall grow up out of his place, and He shall build [the Hebrew can also mean repair] the temple of the Lord: even He shall build [again, repair] the temple of the Lord; and He shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon His throne; and He shall be a priest upon His throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both…And they that are far off [Heb. means “long ago, of old, remote in time or space”] shall come [speaking of the returning remnant in context] and build [repair] in the temple of the Lord, and you shall know that the Lord of hosts has sent me unto you. And this shall come to pass, if you will diligently obey the VOICE of the Lord your God” (6:12-13, 15).

A statement by Dave in the following paragraph shows just how theologically bankrupt he really is.  Scripture says that Jesus came to reconcile the entire world back to the Father so that no one should perish.  Davey's god is going to "winnow" out the undesirables from the church.  Quit a contrast between Jesus' word and the word of Dave!
The Hebrew for “voice” is again qol, not dabar or amar. This amplifies Haggai 1:12. In fact, dates in Zechariah show that he foretold how God would use His voice several weeks before Haggai recorded that the people heard it. Get this point. Christ will use His actual voice to get the attention of His sheep. This is what He says, not what I say. But this is no surprise because He says that He will do this at times. And He has done it periodically. Christ will winnow out those who do not belong in His Church. He certainly will not speak to those who do not have His Spirit about coming back to a Temple of which they have never been a part—hence WHY some will not hear the voice and others will. Because people once attended the Worldwide Church of God or today are attending your splinter is not relevant. Having God’s Spirit is relevant. Prophecy reveals that probably most will hear Christ’s voice and make the right decision. But others will not obey what they hear and Zechariah 11:10-11 explains that God will immediately—“in that day”—remove His Spirit and cut them off from Him.

Here is the scripture that Dave IGNORES:

The Lord isn’t slow to do what he promised, as some people think. Rather, he is patient for your sake. He doesn’t want to destroy anyone but wants all people to have an opportunity to turn to him and change the way they think and act.
The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
The Lord is not slow in doing what he promised—the way some people understand slowness. But God is being patient with you. He does not want anyone to be lost, but he wants all people to change their hearts and lives.
The Lord is not slow concerning his promise, as some regard slowness, but is being patient toward you, because he does not wish for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
The Lord is not slow to keep his promise. He is not slow in the way some people understand it. He is patient with you. He doesn’t want anyone to be destroyed. Instead, he wants all people to turn away from their sins.
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

David C. Pack: I WIll Soon Be the Oracle at Wadsworth




Dave is so desperate to grasp at anything that he can use to legitimize himself that he now says he will soon become the OFFICIAL mouthpiece for his god to speak directly through him.
One final Hebrew word in Haggai should be noted: “Then spoke Haggai the Lord’s messenger in the Lord’s message unto the people, saying, I am with you, says the Lord. And the Lord stirred up…the spirit of all the remnant of the people; and they came and did work in the house of the Lord of hosts, their God” (1:13-14). “Says” in verse 13 is NOT amar, but rather neum. The word neum can also be translated “an oracle.” God uses this word when He wants to bring special emphasis to a message. Of course the message is that God is now with people who are frightened and who were cut off from Him for a long time, and who have come to see that they were.

David C. Pack: My 'god' Will Soon Use Frightening Miracle To Shock You Losers!




Dave says that his god will soon use "frightening miracles to shock and prepare" the COG members to come over to his church cult.  This is still Dave's threat that three COG leaders will soon be murdered by his god.  As soon as his god does that, his god will END his relationship with the rest of the COG losers who do not come to Dave's superfantabulous church cult.

God initially works with the remnant through His Spirit, but next goes on to actually speak ALOUD to them. Powerful, frightening miracles shock and prepare God’s people to hear His VOICE. (Read Haggai 1:11 slowly, thinking also of Zechariah 11:8.) Other announcements have explained some of this. (Questions arise: Like I Kings 19, will God’s message to them include the identical words of verses 4-11? What other things might God instruct? Who will hear Him? Who won’t? We must wait and see.) The important point is that God’s people obey His VOICE and return to work in His House. This explains the biggest single way that God will reunify His people scattered around the world no matter where they are throughout hundreds of organizations (or at home) and speaking different languages. Recalling earlier announcements, the reader can also better understand why God will end His relationship with those who do not follow Christ’s voice (reread Zechariah 11:10-11) that Haggai says will direct them back to HIS House and HIS Work!

David C. Pack Says My 'god' Will Soon Speak Audibly To A Chosen Few



Dave says only his group has the spirit and can understand what he is saying.  If you cannot understand Dave's rants then his god is not dwelling in you.  All I can say is Thank God for that!  I don't want his god.

At this time, the point should be made that many of you have been listening to God’s Spirit in recent months regarding considering YOUR ways. (And surely none of you have heard a voice.) Many others around you are probably not doing this. Think of it this way. Those without God’s Spirit cannot act on messages through His Spirit. Those who have it can. Only you know what you are understanding and what you are not.
 Dave's god will soon speak audibly to his fledgling group.  Only he and a few chosen will be able to understand and here this god speak.  COG losers will not be able to hear anything.
Haggai 1:12 records a remarkable change in the people. They SUDDENLY act on what they are told. Why?: “Then Zerubbabel…and Joshua…with all the remnant of the people, obeyed the VOICE of the Lord their God, and the words of Haggai the prophet, as the Lord their God had sent him, and the people did fear before [Heb: because of] the Lord.” Get this next point, for it carries enormous meaning. The Hebrew for “voice” is again qol. It is NOT dabar or amar, where God is merely “speaking” or “saying” something—His word—through His Spirit! Remember that qol means, “to call aloud; a voice or sound…noise…thunder (-ing)…yell.” The Hebrew reveals that this is God literally speaking with HIS VOICE! Make no mistake about this. Here is why: Not far down the road, thousands will hear God’s voice, while others will not. God will soon speak audibly to some and not others.

David C. Pack: It's Not My Job To Speculate....Say WHAT??????????????????


Dave is trying so hard to make Hevrew scriptures fit hima nad his little cult today in 2013.  Scriptures written for a specific pepel fo ra psecific time.

Dave states below it is not his job to speculate about who the 7,000 are or where they come from.  If that was true then why is he even opening his mouth about these stupid prophecies  he is uttering?

Kings 19
We start by examining I Kings 19, which provides more clarity about how God will reunify His people. Since He inspired Paul to reference this chapter in Kings in regard to a New Testament remnant—and not Haggai where the word “remnant” is found!—to introduce this NEW Testament group, we should know why. There are reasons Paul spoke off of I Kings 19 and not the book of Haggai. (Only time will tell if the number 7,000—cited in I Kings 19 and Romans 11—has dual meaning for today. It is not my purpose here to speculate on the number God has reserved either in the splinters or at home to bring back to His Church.)

Dave has went from ALL the COG's returning to his church to now less than 7,000 if tehy coem at all.

David C. Pack's 'god' Spoke To Him and Said He Was Special and that October 4 Would Be His Last Announcement




David C Pack's god came to him in another nightmare over a year ago and tole him he and his cult had been "reserved as an end time remnant."  Where have we heard THAT before?????????  That is all any of us who were apart of or are still involved in Armstrongism have heard.  We were special and called out. We were a small flock preserved by God in the end times for a special purpose.  HWA's god spoke that same thing to him just as Dave's god has spoke the same thing to him.

The difference now is that Dave's god said that Dave and his group are soooooooooooooooo special that they are "hidden" in hte midst of the other COG's.  ROTFLMAO!

Remanent of GRACE??????????????????  GRACE???????????????  Um, I don't think so!  You don't even know who Jesus is so how can you know about grace?  Of course Dave is not talking about REAL grace so he has to "ritualized" it away.


The first element involves an Old Testament account in I Kings 19. More than a year ago I learned that God had “reserved” (the word He chose) an end-time “remnant” (again, His word) of His people who were as hidden to those in His Church as the faithful 7,000 in Israel were to Elijah in I Kings 19:18. It was in Romans 11:3-5 that the apostle Paul referenced this New Testament “remnant according to grace”—meaning they were of spiritual Israel, the Church. It was just as obvious through simple study that the remnant of two chapters earlier in Romans 9:27-29 could only be describing those of physical Israel—the surviving descendants of the 12 tribes of Israel that were coming out of captivity. I covered details about God’s remnant in a series of seven sermons late last summer.

Dave now has Set October 4 as his final announcement.  Who wants to place bets that Davey will be back soon after that "spiritualizing" away his latest epic failure?
In early November, I began to learn how God would bring the spiritual remnant back to His Church. This announcement adds more that those who are serious about the prophecy must know. Two vital points will be covered this time, and four more in what will likely be the final announcement, now scheduled for October 4. Realize that what follows is little more than the bare bones of what can be known about verses cited and the Hebrew words that God chose to convey His meaning.

David C. Pack: God's Word Says I Am A Liar



Dave is back with the second of his last three missives to the gullible sheeple in his cult.  Those are the only one who half way believe his bullshit.  The rest of the COG's are doing nothing but laugh at him.

The lying false prophet writes:


If you read last week’s announcement you know we hold no doubt that God’s prophecy in Haggai and Zechariah is still very much “on.” This announcement explains additional expansive elements of the Haggai/Zechariah prophecy that none of us had yet understood. In fact, what you will read this week and next time may help you understand why more time was needed for us to prepare for God’s fulfillment of the prophecy. This included understanding more of what was going to happen. As mentioned in previous announcements, this one will open your eyes to things God has long intended to do with His end-time Church and Work.

God’s Word is crystal clear!

God's word is crystal clear that David C. Pack is a liar and a false prophet.  The Haggai and Zechariah prophecies" have NOTHING to do with Dave Pack. 

Rod Meredith on The Signs of the Times - 13 Years Later



Rod Meredith wrote the following in his, "I wish I had thought of this magazine..." Tomorrow's World:

Jesus Christ told the religious leaders of His day, "Hypocrites! You know how to discern the face of the sky, but you cannot discern the signs of the times" (Matthew 16:3).

So it is today.
Yes, so it is today, 13 years AFTER he wrote this article.  64 Years along the road where he has been spouting this same silliness day in and day out.


Many professing ministers of Jesus Christ are highly educated in the technicalities of theological jargon, Semitic languages and biblical literature. They are often very intelligent men, but in the theological seminaries they are seldom taught about the REAL God of the Bible who intervenes in human affairs, who guides the overall destiny of major nations and who will soon RULE this earth with a "rod of iron" (Revelation 19:15). 

Many professing ministers of Jesus Christ  are poorly educated in the technicalities of theological jargon, Semantic languages and biblical literature.  They are often highly intelligent men, but have been trained in the biased "theological" schools of the Church of God where they are seldom taught real biblical studies that delve into myth and metaphor and its meanings.  They are seldom taught about the God who intervenes daily in peoples lives without having to spank them for every indiscretion or beat them to death with his "rod of iron."

Yet all around us the signs of the END of this present civilization are beginning to appear. The God of creation is beginning to intervene in the weather and in bringing about major earthquakes as Jesus predicted (Matthew 24:7). The specific indications of the coming massive DISEASE EPIDEMICS are becoming more and more ominous, as you can discover in our booklet Who Controls the Weather? which will be sent to you absolutely FREE upon your request. 
For over 70 some years this is the same plodding argument spit out in magazine articles, booklets, TV programs and co-worker letters.  God is soooooooooooooo pissed that he takes great pleasure whipping up tornadoes that destroy lives and property.  Rod's god gets really excited when he can cause major quakes that kill thousands at a time.  Rod's god particularly likes to use tsunami's where he can obliterate tens of thousands of pagans in one quick swipe.



As some of us in this Work have been predicting for decades, a European Empire is indeed coming together. It will be dominated by a rearmed and revitalized Germany, as we stated long before this became obvious to the news media. It will also be mightily influenced by the great "mother church" described in Revelation 17. In fact, this European Empire will probably not take its final form until a great religious leader arises in Europe to bring it about. 
Yes Sir Rod!  Germany is rising up!  Get ready for those invading Germanic hoards that will set up concentration camps in this country, take the young virile men and nubile women off to Europe to be slaves, torture Americans with glee by hanging us on meat hooks and tying us to the bumpers of four jeeps as they take off in four different directions so they can rip us to shreds.  I remember as a youth hearing that bullshit from you!  What kind of sick mind dwells on this kind of stuff day in and day out?


Meanwhile tens of millions of "mainstream" Protestants have lost their spiritual foundations. They are all mixed up. Many now fully approve of homosexuality and even same-sex "marriages." Most of these mainstream "Christians" have "no problem" with fornication, young couples living together before marriage, "occasional" lying and cheating and the continuing murder of millions of unborn children.
Woo Hoo!  Its SEX time again.  Not a letter, article or broadcast goes by with out sex being brought into the equation.  Rampaging gays out to steal your children and embarrass you by getting married and staying together longer than many of the COG members have.  How can we forget about the fornicating youth in the Church of God, including those in your own family who sowed their wild oats before they got married.  What about the on going lying and cheating that ministers/members of your own church do on a daily basis?


The coming religious leader in Europe will quickly fill the now-apparent void in morality, and will appear to be unique in having the courage to "stem the tide" of immorality sweeping the entire western world. Many leaders of the ecumenical movement will "leap into the arms" of this charismatic figure. For he—they will think—will be the "one" to bring ALL of professing Christianity together again. He will be the one to bring about Christian unity at last! 
The new Pope so far has set a better example on what Christian charity is than you or the LCG has ever done.  You should be ashamed!  Won't it be embarrassing if the Pope actually did unify all Christians together while the remaining few thousand of Church of God members are splintered  into 700+ splinter groups all claiming they have the truth and everyone else are liars.  You had better get your own house in ordered before you condemn others!


Meanwhile, the spiritual and moral deterioration of the United States and British descended peoples will continue unabated. Our national prestige and power will keep on diminishing—unless there is a profound national REPENTANCE for sin to a degree unprecedented in modern times! In all honesty, do any of you see that kind of national repentance, humiliation and FASTING before the God of heaven coming about in the foreseeable future? 

In all honesty have we ever seen you and your church humbling yourselves and praying for and fasting for the nation? Have you sacrificed your lives to bring about change?  Your own church is a cesspool of of spiritual and moral deterioration.  When have you and your church got off your rear ends and took care of the homeless, held the hands of drug addicts and alcoholics?  When have you set down to eat with prostitutes and gays?  When have you carried on a loving relationship with other Christians outside of your group?  Many Christians talk about being the hands of Jesus in a hurting world by bringing forth the Kingdom into this world one person at a time.  From you we hear death and damnation as you say, "screw them all, they are sinful filth,  God will take care of them later."


Kitchen Family Says 9-11 Happened Because of YOUR Sins and YOUR Rejection of HWA



The holy triumvirate of HWA worship, the Kitchen family-Daddy, Timmy Jr and Sammy, say that 9-11 happened because of YOUR sins!  Dirty, filthy, pagan, sinners caused three thousand people to be killed because of sinfulness and the rejection of God's Holy Apostle HWA.

Their continued slobberfest over all things HWA is pissing off a lot of people on various Facebook pages.  They pulled this silliness some time back on other news groups and people left in droves.  In their arrogance and self-righteousness they cannot see they are doing anything wrong.  In their eyes the truly evil people are those that discredit HWA and Gerald Waterhouse.

We need to understand what God says about this day. 9/11 was a result or an effect from some cause. Leviticus 26 explains the cause, and how these curses are being enacted and by whom. What a tragedy this day represents. All those innocent lives were taken as result from OUR sins. My brother(Timothy Kitchen Jr) might post an article that was created by the news department of Ambassador College on this subject. Let us remember the cause of this great tragedy that befell the United States, and in doing so, let us change our ways according to what God(the Bible) says and let us stand on a strong foundation instead of thin ice.

The Kitchen's also think that if you dislike Herb and the church then you are rebelling against "the Creator" and will suffer great plagues as their god spanks you.


So, the bottom line is that the Called out ones will do as God says to do, and, will not fear men! Remember Rev 3:11-13, and Rev 2:10. Those that are called that fear men and dying over Fear of the Eternal are not Worthy of Christ and will have to be martyred to strengthen their Love of Christ. Those that hate God's word, and people and Work are on the wrong side and will suffer the plagues that go along with their rebellion against their Creator, as, in the end, "Everyone" will get corrected, it's just a matter of when and how you will be corrected by God Almighty. The More you show your Love to God and follow the Narrow Way (Matt 7:13-23), the more you will be persecuted and called "Religious Fanatics" and the Moore Christ will Love you and protect you as this unfolds. . As for these people that try to use this fear to terrorize you into worshiping the Beast and the Great Whore read Romans 3:9-19 and, many "MANY" other scriptures). Matt 16:25 says "For whoever seeks to save his (or her) life will lose it, and whoever loses his (or her) life fo My (Christ's) sake will find it).


The Kitchens are so off the wall that they think FEMA and others tried to recruit them to infiltrate churches  and blogs in order to destroy them.

There is a conspiracy (that word that hiders of the Truth hate) of some in the “Inter Faith” FEMA Continuity of Government “COG” movement to infiltrate churches, groups sabotage, and take over these churches and groups, web sites, blogs, etc. You would call them wild conspiracy theories , but, My family and I were recruited by their secret government leaders for this purpose. We flatly refused (as we Obey Christ, not, man) and are exposing those doing it. This may be how this group got off track. Well, maybe it should get back on track.

Their "I Love Gerald Waterhouse" Facebook page is here.

Their  "Holding Fast to Herbert" Facebook page is here.

Their "Herbert Can Do No Wrong" Facebook page is here.

Their "Elijah Herb" Facebook page is here.

Their "Bible Fallacies" Facebook page is here.

Their "Christ Was Too Lazy For 1,900 To Preserve His Word" Facebook page is here.

Why Does The COG Continue To Allow False Prophets In Their Midst?




The All About Armstrongism has an excellent blog entry today asking why it is that COG members continue to allow lying false prophets in their midst. Men like David C. Pack, Ron Weinland and Gerald Flurry, lie through their teeth with one false prophecy after another and yet the sheeple continue to support them.  Why?
And then there’s what happens when the prophecies completely fail. You would expect from Christian people a certain respect of what God says about false prophets. You would expect from Christian people to be intolerant of proven falsehoods. You would expect them to immediately withdraw from those who speak things that don’t come true in God’s name. You would expect Christian people to get as far away as possible from those that meet the criteria of a false prophet. But the reality is, there is little respect for God’s opinion in the COG’s when it comes to false prophecy and false prophets. Nearly every time, the prophecy and the prophet are excused by COG members – even when the false teacher’s own words condemn themselves as a false prophet. Then the “everybody makes mistakes”, “errors happen”. and excuses start up as the false prophet blasts excuses, clarifications, rewrites and reboots. And what do the members do? They excuse the person and fall for the reboot all over again, just to have it fail again, and again, and again.

They have no problems giving mainstream Christian leaders every judgement in the book as to what they are doing wrong, how they are doing it wrong, where they are weak, in error, in confusion, or just plain wrong – and every vile thing they have self-righteously judged others on – but when there’s something going on as serious as accepting false prophets and false prophecy when there is clearly no excuse to do so, there’s no fear. There’s no repentance. There’s no respect.

And this to me raises many questions. They claim to take God’s word seriously. But do they? Do they really and honestly? One thing I’ve learned from Armstrongism over decades in the religion is that they only take seriously what they want to take seriously. Armstrongism is a hodgepodge religion full of pickings and choosings, lines upon lines, precepts upon precepts, where certain things are taken VERY seriously, and other things are ignored or completely whitewashed away. Members are used to being told, thus, what is right and what is correct, not by the understanding given by the Holy Spirit to themselves, but by the understanding given to the Apostles then to the ministers and then to the members.

Read the entire post here Why Do COG Members Tolerate Proven False Prophets?

Thursday, September 12, 2013

Ron Weinland: Through the Ordination of My Crazy Wife the Curse of Eve Has Been Lifted



Ron Weinland, aka Weinerdude, the imprisoned Church of God leader and false prophet, has released another missive about the roll of women in his cult.

Ron had some time ago, raised his loony wife to the position of #2 of the Two Witless Witnesses.  Laura is now on par with the position of Weinerdude in the church.  She was to hold this prophetic office in the end times.

What these too crazy idiots failed to realize or foresee, was that Ron would soon be sitting in jail for a prophetic three and one half years for tax evasion.  After years of spending money on trips to Vegas, furs and diamonds, the IRS finally caught up with Ron.  Loony Laura and equally weird Audra were raised up to carry on Weinerdude's ministry.

It appears that some men in Weinerdude's cult are having an issue with Witless Witness Laura and Money Manipulator Audra telling them what to do.  After gallivanting around Europe this summer where they were not exactly received warmly, Ron has had to correct his dwindling flock.

He writes:

God has revealed that now and on into the Millennium, the “basic” structure for family will still be the husband as the head of the wife. Yet even now, God has already begun to reveal that His structure of government in the family is “fully spiritual,” and it is to be administered spiritually. Ordination of women magnifies the true administration of how God’s government is to work (function) within the Church and within the family. The structure for government in the Church is by ordination, and it is to always be administered spiritually. Within the Church, there is an order of structure for the “administration” of God’s ways. Most are familiar with that structure as it currently begins with an elder, then evangelist, prophet, and then an apostle.
Every time a false prophet in Armstrongism has a prophetic failure it has to be "spiritualized" away.  While it did not happen "literally," it happened "spiritually."

Did you know that when an ordination happens it changes the way the Holy Spirit works in the church and in the family?

God’s people are coming to more clearly “see” that the administration of God’s ways (government, laws, etc.) are spiritual in how they are to be practiced and lived within the Church and within the family. Ordination also reveals the way (or flow) of how God’s spirit can (and does) change the order of God’s government, not only in the Church, but also in a family. An individual who is ordained from a sr. elder to an evangelist affects the way (the flow, the order) of how God’s spirit works (administers God’s ways) within the Church. Any other raise in ordination does likewise. The same is true in a family. If a wife in a family is ordained to an elder (and the husband is not), this affects the way – the flow – the order – of how God’s spirit works (administers God’s ways) within the family. 

In the very near future, sermons will be given and booklets written that expound upon this principle, just as such has happened in times past utilizing the guidelines given by Paul to husbands and wives.
Through Weinerdude himself, the "curse" of Eve has now been lifted.

Through the 53rd Truth, in which God revealed how that women could now be ordained into the ministry of His Church, God has also more fully opened “the way” for the removal of the curse that has been upon women from the beginning. This great truth alone reveals so much more about “the spirit” of marriage that will produce a much closer relationship within families and with God throughout the Millennium.


Wednesday, September 11, 2013

Dennis Muses: You've Been Smeckledorfed!"

What David C. Pack  Eliminated Speaks So Loud We Can't Hear What He is Now Saying
 
Remember This?
 
 
I believe it is important to remember what Dave Pack wants you to forget.  After all, he said he'll want you to forget this stuff, that he ever said it in the first place or that he didn't mean it to mean what you thought he meant it to mean.
 
Remember he said...
 
 
"I want to make a statement about...me...now, if I became deceived, I will never tell you what I'm going to tell you now...I am telling you if I go off into strange ideas, misconduct, rebellion, you name it, don't follow me. I want to tell you that now, because if I start doing that I'm gonna try to get you to follow me! I'm gonna come to you and tell you it doesn't apply, it doesn't mean me, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's OK to follow me because ABCD and XY and Z. Do you understand what I'm saying? Listen to me now, when I tell you don't follow me if I go off into weird ideas, or if I get off into other things that are total absolutely unscriptural conduct, because if I do I'm gonna paint it with a different face and try to get you to follow me. Do you understand what I'm saying brethren? Please remember that, because I promise you that if I become deceived, I'll forget it, and I'll want you to forget it...And I hope you'll remember it well enough to quote it right back to me...But I'll tell you what, I'm not going anywhere."
 
Your Never Gonna Lose Me I'm Not Going Anywhere Tattoo in Bleeding
 
Well maybe Dave Pack did not go anywhere back then, but he has since and so let's be reminded of what we must forget was ever thought about the largest,  most complex and yet simple to decode prophecy about David C. Pack and the Return of the Disfellowshipped by God under one leader (guess who?) in the Bible.
 
I admit, I am not a brethren in the RCG, but someone has to do what Dave asked or he's going to deceive us all.  He told us that.  (I love that quote).   So, if no one else is going to remember it well enough to quote it right back to Dave, I guess I will for at least future posterity in such matters. 
 
 
12)   Eliminated The readers of the Haggai prophecy announcements (this is #21) who believed them would be the most disillusioned and the biggest candidates to QUIT everything if God did not return His people to one House this year! This would work directly against what God is doing—directly opposite His overall purpose.
 
 
It is easy to see why this was eliminated from the original 24 reasons in the original Announcement 21 The Time is Now!  Dave understands at least the price of being wrong, which he was.  It remains to be seen how many are dis-illusioned, which is a good thing, because who wants to be "illusioned."  Sticking with Dave is to be "Illusioned."  And yes, it would work against the purposes of RCG


13)  Eliminated Further desolation (Hag. 1:11; 2:16-17) from God of the splinter “houses” would practically wipe out the few remaining senior leaders in them. This includes pastors and elders, all of whom are NEEDED TO CARRY OUT THE BIG WORK!


Dave wanted those senior leaders to come over to him so badly  and further delay would take them out of the picture before this could come about.  Dave must now believe that these senior men will live longer and have more time to still come over to him.  Or perhaps he has given up on this ever happening, which I am sure is the safer bet.


14) Eliminated  The onset of all future years would never come with clarity—with any certainty! Would God leave thousands who are now aware of this prophecy in such a condition? Hardly.
 
 
Oops can't say this anymore!  Dave has now stated that even more clarity is coming after the screw up in "timing."  Things never before seen are now going to be seen so that's clarity alright.  Thus, this has to go.  Obviously this years failures don't muddy the waters.  They clear them up. Just you watch.

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15) Eliminated Next, for those who will see the value of how to pursue spiritual matters, there is this: After fervently seeking God about it, not one reason the prophecy is off this year ever emerged in the minds of even one of our 16 Headquarters ministers! I (we) have NEVER prayed about, studied over, meditated on, fasted about and counseled with other ministers regarding a subject more than this one—in fact no other subject is even close! -
 
 
And isn't this a sad one?  If we leave this one Dave's crew of 16 kiss ups look like...well...kiss ups.  Dave has now learned that everyone agreeing with you is not a sign of  truth.  It's a sign of...kissing up, probably to keep status and jobs.  Dave has also learned that just because you pray, study, meditate, fast and ask other kiss..., ministers about the topic, doesn't mean you're going to get the right answer.  "Woe be unto you when all men speak good of you" and all that.  So we have to vote no on this being on how one pursues spiritual matters ever again.


16) Eliminated Similarly, as questions emerged throughout our pursuit of truth with the many details of the prophecy, so many of these details kept coming clear as direct answers to prayer. And these were often immediate.



This one has to go because once again, Dave has learned what we all knew ourselves, that details that keep coming like clear answers to prayer are no sign of anything.  You simply end up with a very detailed mistake.


17) Eliminated Recall Haggai 1:13: “Then spoke Haggai the Lord’s messenger in the Lord’s message unto the people…” Haggai is the messenger to God’s people, with what is an all-important message from God. Would not God make clear in such a unique message He describes as “the Lord’s message unto His people” the correct date for action? What kind of message would it be if people did not know WHEN TO CARRY IT OUT?

 
Here we now see that Dave has learned once and for all that "A" with God does not always lead to Dave's "B".   I would think  since the people still don't know when to carry it out, the message was flawed to begin with.  It might do Dave some good to consider that the message of Haggai never  had anything to do with him, RCG or the Splinters.  He made that all up in his head and this is why there is confusion as to the "when."   "Never" is the answer to the "when".


19) Eliminated Imagine God not revealing the year the remnant is coming—but only the day and month. Vast amounts of time would have been wasted by His leaders studying and preparing for something that was not imminent. Would God put His Church in such a position?
 
 
I can imagine it now Dave.  Can you?   I'm pretty sure you even got the day and month wrong. Evidently God has put 'His Church" in this position, maybe just for fun.  Who knows?


20) Eliminated  Of interest, God revealed to me during ELUL four years ago my role as the modern Joshua.

 
Evidently not of interest at all and eliminating this may mean Dave will have to rethink his "Joshua" fantasy.  I bet the world "Elul" will never feel good again to Dave!  It also reveals that Dave now has to wonder just what God did or did not reveal to him.  I'm going with did not.


21) Eliminated Also of interest, I and The Restored Church of God learned about the New Testament remnant last ELUL (August). Let’s ask: Would timing of when we were shown the prophecy not be tied to its unique timing of fulfillment during the very next available ELUL?

 
This one violates eliminated reason 20 because Dave knew FOUR YEARS AGO he was Joshua but kept it to himself until now. He should have revealed this the very next available ELUL!   Again, evidently it's not tied to anything Dave tied it to.  So this one had to go.  Dave is going to have to stop tying the wrong knots on his sailboat which seems blown around by various winds of doctrines he makes up.


"And I hope you'll remember it well enough to quote it right back to me..."
David C. Pack


So I did...
Dennis C. Diehl
 
 

Belief In An Angry God Can Create Poor Mental Health




From REAL CLEAR SCIENCE

Belief in Angry God Associated with Poor Mental Health by



Nahum 1:2-8 - 2 The LORD is a jealous and vengeful God; the LORD is vengeful and strong in wrath... 4 He can blast the sea and make it dry up; he can dry up all the rivers... 5 The mountains quake because of him; the hills melt away. The earth heaves before him-- the world and all who dwell in it. 6 Who can stand before his indignation? Who can confront the heat of his fury? His wrath pours out like fire; the rocks are shattered because of him... 8 With a rushing flood, he will utterly destroy her place and pursue his enemies into darkness.

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

If God exists, is he (or she, or whatever) inherently benevolent or punitive? The two Bible selections above clearly demonstrate that God can be both, but many believers cordon their perception of the Almighty into a singular view. This fundamental categorization may be more influential than one might think, as recently published research demonstrates that how a believer conceives of God could affect his or her mental health.

The findings, discerned by a team of psychologists led by Nava Silton of Marymount Manhattan College, are intriguing, especially considering that more than nine out of every ten Americans believe in some sort of God.

Analyzing a Gallup survey conducted in 2010, the researchers sought to determine how one's perception of God -- as punitive, benevolent, or indifferent -- was associated with five different psychiatric symptoms: general anxiety, social anxiety, paranoia, obsession, and compulsion.

Respondents' characterizations of God were gleaned from their opinions of how six adjectives -- absolute, critical, just, punishing, severe, or wrathful -- applied to God. A numbering system was used to gauge the degree to which the subject viewed the adjective as an accurate descriptor of God (very well = 4; somewhat well = 3, not very well = 2, etc.). In a similar fashion, respondents answered queries designed to measure the five aforementioned psychiatric symptoms.

The researchers found that belief in a punitive God was significantly associated with an increase in social anxiety, paranoia, obsession, and compulsion. Conversely, belief in a benevolent God was associated with reductions in those four symptoms. Belief in an indifferent God was not linked to any symptoms.

So does this mean that God-fearing individuals are more anxious because of their beliefs, or that individuals who believe in a loving God have less to worry about? Possibly both, say the researchers. But before we delve into that notion, let's get skeptical.

While the study benefited from a large sample size and its findings agreed with a plethora of previous research, there are a great many limitations. First and foremost, the data was self-reported, which is susceptible to invariable outside influences. Additionally, the study was cross-sectional, meaning that it cannot conclusively say whether belief in a benevolent or punitive God affected the psychiatric symptoms or vice versa. Moreover, diagnosing such symptoms via a self-reported questionnaire is certainly suboptimal.

Still, the results are quite provocative. According to the researchers, they make sense in light of the
Evolutionary Threat Assessment System Theory, which states that overarching beliefs about the dangerousness of the world can influence mental well-being.

"We propose that belief in a benevolent God inhibits threat assessments about the dangerousness of the world, thereby decreasing psychiatric symptoms,"
the researchers write.

But they also say that the pendulum can swing to the other side as well.

"Belief in a punitive God... facilitates threat assessments that the world is dangerous and even that God poses a threat of harm, thereby increasing psychiatric symptomology."

Source: Silton NR, Flannelly KJ, Galek K, Ellison CG. "Beliefs About God and Mental Health Among American Adults." J Relig Health. 2013 Apr 10

Book by Former COG Member: Coming Out of Hell: A Journey From Chaos to Redemption


I continue to be fascinated by the number of books that are coming out by former Armstrongites detailing their journey out of the cult.  Some go in agnostic and atheist directions, some have went into native American spirituality, some into Catholicism and Lutheranism, and others into a deeper relationship of Jesus in other branches of Christianity.

This one has been out a while, but this is the first I have heard of it.  Another one for my ever expanding collection of books about Armstrongism.  I am now at 85+ books by former members and critics.



Barnes and Noble says:

Every person on Earth experiences sin and brokenness. But even embracing a new life in Christ does not automatically resolve the pain and bitterness of past struggles and abuse. In this remarkably candid and uplifting book, psychologist David Bonnet bares his soul, using his long battle with depression and even longer involvement with a powerful cult to show how victory in Christ can transform a shattered life.

Coming Out of Hell is a gripping story of deliverance from the deception, manipulation, and shame of cultic involvement. It takes an inside look at how individuals and families in the grips of spiritual, emotional, and financial chaos can find healing by submitting these wounds to Jesus Christ and finding peace by living in His presence.



Tuesday, September 10, 2013

Living Church of God Death and Destruction Video Short Showcase The Same Old Bullshit




The sickness that is Armstrongism still cannot get its message across even when they try to be technologically relevant.  They still look like complete idiots.
They cant talk about Jesus, but still love the death and destruction of humanity.

Dennis Muses: "I never said that...."

 

Wonders in the Wiggle Room

The Fine Art of Altering Church History

 

 

From David C. Pack's Original , Pre August 31, 2013 Announcement 21


"The Time Is NOW!


Now comes a series of reasons Haggai’s prophecy will be fulfilled this year. They are summarized, with only a very little detail added. More could be said of each, but the descriptions given will suffice to those willing to think just a little about them. Realize there are over 30 more reasons—many of them very powerful—that I have left off the list because some will be covered later or because they would only be recognized as proofs by our Headquarters ministry (involving various miracles, some big). Readers would be largely unable to appreciate them as proofs:

1) Understanding the meaning of the prophecy, starting with Haggai 1:2, automatically carries the requirement of taking a position on it. This cannot be avoided after one learns it. Think about this. The position of the remnant is that “the time is not come” to rebuild God’s House. Are they right or wrong? God indicts their thinking, meaning they are wrong! If the prophecy is not now, the net effect would be that God agrees with the remnant’s view. Worse, so should those currently in God’s one Church because they now know the meaning of the prophecy. Think this through. One does or does not agree with the remnant. God does not—and we do not. The time is now! Let’s go further.

2) Directly related, why (or how) would God command the remnant to “Go…build the House!” (Hag. 1:8)—but not mean NOW? How could He mean some undetermined future year? Why would God tell them (twice) to “consider their ways”—but not mean that they should do this now? Try to imagine God saying, “Consider your ways, but take your time. There’s no hurry. In fact, take years to think it over—even though you have been out of My Church for 20 years! You don’t have to DO anything now.”

3) Also related, if God waited 2,500 years to reveal the prophecy’s meaning (3,000 years when various related much older Psalms are considered), is not His waiting done? Does His revealing it not signal that He has reached the time to fulfill it rather than having reached a point one, two or three years out?

4) Next, why would God wait longer? What would He wait for? The remnant is absolutely ripe for deliverance.

5) Internally, and this is no small thing, God’s Church is truly ready to expand the Work in a BIG WAY. The prophecy features this as the MAIN PURPOSE of the remnant returning! Without the prophecy’s fulfillment, this expansion would be delayed one year—or more! Why would God notify His Church of the prophecy’s existence at the very same time our staff is ready, our websites are ready, our literature is ready and even God’s college is ready for more students if the prophecy were not imminent? Why would God notify His Church if HE were not ready?

6) Related to this, the buildings on our campus can very soon handle significantly more staff than we have now. This is already true without the other two buildings scheduled for completion in the late fall. However, this extra size works perfectly if the prophecy occurs this year.

7) Also related, but separate, our infrastructure is ready to receive and serve a much larger flock this fall! This includes field ministry being ready, but also other things.

8) Maturing interest from many in the world due to one year of explosive television expansion requires many more laborers in the ministry by this autumn.

9) The Restored Church of God is experiencing an AWESOME period of growth and development at this time—in the runup period just prior to the prophecy’s fulfillment. This is putting it mildly! To us, this is powerful indication that we are on the right track for this year—that God is not only pleased with His Church, but that He is helping it get ready.

10) If the prophecy did not happen this year, the remnant would remain another year (or more) undergoing ever worsening false ways. Worse off, they would have a commensurate shorter time to spiritually recover before the Tribulation. Think worse condition, less time to recover.

11) If reunification occurred next year (or any year after), those with God’s Spirit would have one more year cut off from God’s Church. This carries the potential for more to quench the Holy Spirit (I Thes. 5:19) and lose salvation.

12)   Elimintaed The readers of the Haggai prophecy announcements (this is #21) who believed them would be the most disillusioned and the biggest candidates to QUIT everything if God did not return His people to one House this year! This would work directly against what God is doing—directly opposite His overall purpose.

13)  Eliminated Further desolation (Hag. 1:11; 2:16-17) from God of the splinter “houses” would practically wipe out the few remaining senior leaders in them. This includes pastors and elders, all of whom are NEEDED TO CARRY OUT THE BIG WORK!

14) Eliminated  The onset of all future years would never come with clarity—with any certainty! Would God leave thousands who are now aware of this prophecy in such a condition? Hardly.

15) Eliminated Next, for those who will see the value of how to pursue spiritual matters, there is this: After fervently seeking God about it, not one reason the prophecy is off this year ever emerged in the minds of even one of our 16 Headquarters ministers! I (we) have NEVER prayed about, studied over, meditated on, fasted about and counseled with other ministers regarding a subject more than this one—in fact no other subject is even close!

16) Eliminated Similarly, as questions emerged throughout our pursuit of truth with the many details of the prophecy, so many of these details kept coming clear as direct answers to prayer. And these were often immediate.

17) Eliminated Recall Haggai 1:13: “Then spoke Haggai the Lord’s messenger in the Lord’s message unto the people…” Haggai is the messenger to God’s people, with what is an all-important message from God. Would not God make clear in such a unique message He describes as “the Lord’s message unto His people” the correct date for action? What kind of message would it be if people did not know WHEN TO CARRY IT OUT?

18)Now Point 12  Since the apostasy, God had not wanted the remnant back in His Church, but now He does. He would first reveal the remnant to His leader, then tell him how they would return, and finally that He meant NOW. This was the order in which these things became apparent.

19) Eliminated Imagine God not revealing the year the remnant is coming—but only the day and month. Vast amounts of time would have been wasted by His leaders studying and preparing for something that was not imminent. Would God put His Church in such a position?

20) Eliminated  Of interest, God revealed to me during ELUL four years ago my role as the modern Joshua.

21) Eliminated Also of interest, I and The Restored Church of God learned about the New Testament remnant last ELUL (August). Let’s ask: Would timing of when we were shown the prophecy not be tied to its unique timing of fulfillment during the very next available ELUL?

22) Now Point 13We might ask: does the DEVIL know the prophecy is on? For those who understand how the devil works—that he counterfeits EVERYTHING God does—a variety of counterfeit theories have recently appeared about how God is going to reunite His people. Should not the devil be expected to do this at the time it would cause the most confusion? You will soon see that most of these theories are coming from men standing on the wrong side of this prophecy.

23) Now Point 14  With God’s people split up, it is now almost impossible to do a powerful Work. (This might be the one area where the splinter leaders would agree.) God’s Church is largely stymied in working with both brethren and the world because of the confusion and deception from top leaders about where God’s Church is, who has the truth, who is carrying on after Mr. Armstrong, who is doing the true Work, etc. (Reread #22.) There is no other way to proceed than for God to remove leaders who have lulled with deceit many thousands who were blind (Rev. 3:17) to begin with.

24) Now Point 15 World conditions cry out for a big Work NOW!!!—not one or more years from now.

I repeat: There are many more reasons for a 2013 fulfillment, with a few of a personal nature—and others involving God moving miraculously to reveal crucial things at certain times within an extraordinarily complex prophecy that involves hundreds of verses. I have not included all of these reasons because others would likely not accept them as legitimate. They are, however, on MY much longer list (now 56 total). And these reasons stand on bedrock in the eyes of ALL our Headquarters ministers.


From David C. Packs Updated, Altered, Erased and Redacted New Announcement 21 Post August 31, 2013

"The Time Is Imminent!


Now comes a series of reasons the fulfillment of Haggai’s prophecy cannot be far off. They are summarized, with only a very little detail added. More could be said of each, but the descriptions given will suffice to those willing to think just a little about them:

1) Understanding the meaning of the prophecy, starting with Haggai 1:2, automatically carries the requirement of taking a position on it. This cannot be avoided after one learns it. Think about this. The position of the remnant is that “the time is not come” to rebuild God’s House. Are they right or wrong? God indicts their thinking, meaning they are wrong! If the prophecy is not soon, the net effect would be that God agrees with the remnant’s view. Worse, so should those currently in God’s one Church because they now know the meaning of the prophecy. Think this through. One does or does not agree with the remnant. God does not—and we do not. Let’s go further.

2) Directly related, why (or how) would God command the remnant to “Go…build the House!” (Hag. 1:8)—but somehow mean many years from now? Why would God tell them (twice) to “consider their ways”—but not mean that they should do this now? Try to imagine God saying, “Consider your ways, but take your time. There’s no hurry. In fact, take years to think it over—even though you have been out of My Church for 20 years! You don’t have to DO anything now.”

3) Also related, if God waited 2,500 years to reveal the prophecy’s meaning (3,000 years when various related much older Psalms are considered), is not His waiting done? Does His revealing it not signal that He has reached the time to fulfill it rather than having reached a point one, two or three years out?

4) Next, why would God wait longer? What would He wait for? The remnant is ripe for deliverance.

5) Internally, and this is no small thing, God’s Church is truly ready to expand the Work in a BIG WAY. The prophecy features this as the MAIN PURPOSE of the remnant returning!

6) Related to this, the buildings on our campus can very soon handle significantly more staff than we have now. This is already true without the other two buildings scheduled for completion in the late fall.

7) Also related, but separate, our infrastructure is ready to receive and serve a much larger flock! This includes field ministry being ready, but also other things.

8) Maturing interest from many in the world due to one year of explosive television expansion requires many more laborers in the ministry in the near future.

9) The Restored Church of God is experiencing an AWESOME period of growth and development at this time—in the runup period just prior to the prophecy’s fulfillment. This is putting it mildly! To us, this is powerful indication that we are on the right track—that God is not only pleased with His Church, but that He is helping it get ready.

10) For each year that passes before the prophecy’s fulfillment, the remnant would remain another year (or more) undergoing ever worsening false ways. Worse off, they would have a commensurate shorter time to spiritually recover before the Tribulation. Think worse condition, less time to recover.

11) Altered Similarly, those with God’s Spirit would have one more year cut off from God’s Church. This carries the potential for more to quench the Holy Spirit (I Thes. 5:19) and lose salvation.

12) Was Point 18 in old Since the apostasy, God had not wanted the remnant back in His Church, but now He does. He would first reveal the remnant to His leader, then tell him how they would return, and finally that He meant soon. This was the order in which these things became apparent.

13) Formerly point 22 We might ask: does the DEVIL know the prophecy is on in the near term? For those who understand how the devil works—that he counterfeits EVERYTHING God does—a variety of counterfeit theories have recently appeared about how God is going to reunite His people. Should not the devil be expected to do this at the time it would cause the most confusion? You will soon see that most of these theories are coming from men standing on the wrong side of this prophecy.

14) Was point 23 With God’s people split up, it is now almost impossible to do a powerful Work. (This might be the one area where the splinter leaders would agree.) God’s Church is largely stymied in working with both brethren and the world because of the confusion and deception from top leaders about where God’s Church is, who has the truth, who is carrying on after Mr. Armstrong, who is doing the true Work, etc. (Reread #22.) There is no other way to proceed than for God to remove leaders who have lulled with deceit many thousands who were blind (Rev. 3:17) to begin with.

15) Was point 24 World conditions cry out for a big Work NOW!!!—not years from now.

Some summary review. Since the prophecy has been revealed, brethren have new knowledge. They know God disagrees with the remnant’s decision that it is not yet time to come together and build His House. With knowledge comes responsibility (Jms. 4:17; Heb. 10:26).

Could not agree more and now that we know the simple complex Haggai Prophecy did not come to pass as presented, the responsible thing to do is apologize.