Saturday, April 26, 2014

David C Pack Says "Ignore The Man Behind The Curtain, I'm Not Longer The Powerful One"



Poor David C Pack!  
Exposed as a liar for all the world to see.


Ever since David C Pack was publicly humiliated last October when his dramatic prophecy failed to materialize, he has been hiding out in Wadsworth.  The Restored Church of God then became the laughing stock of the Churches of God. Dave has never recovered fully from that.

Surrounding himself with The Sixteen, they are plotting his come back, though this time they are being more methodical in it.

He is also suffering from some health issues with his lungs, so that has kept him sidelined too.

No matter what Dave says now, far less people will not pay attention.  That has to be a bitter pill to swallow, especially considering how important Dave thinks he is.  With less people listening in and probably never to join him, it means less money.  The bottom line in the RCG revolves around money. Dave still thinks that all COG tithes and offerings belong to him.  Now that the  money is not rolling in, Dave is having to face some financial issues he had not planned on.

All those new buildings in Wadsworth are taking a financial toll on Dave.

Tornadoes Today In Oklahoma, Arkansas and Texas...It's God's Punishment




God's favorite and only TRUE double-dosed Church of God leader to ever lead an end time work is telling the world today that the tornadoes that happened today are because God is really REALLY pissed off at the sinful scum in Texas and Oklahoma.  So says Bob Thiel...as who should have known.....



God teaches that because of disobedience He will scatter people and use a whirlwind:
8 Then the word of the Lord came to Zechariah, saying, 9 “Thus says the Lord of hosts:
‘Execute true justice,
Show mercy and compassion
Everyone to his brother.
10 Do not oppress the widow or the fatherless,
The alien or the poor.
Let none of you plan evil in his heart
Against his brother.’
11 But they refused to heed, shrugged their shoulders, and stopped their ears so that they could not hear. 12 Yes, they made their hearts like flint, refusing to hear the law and the words which the Lord of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Thus great wrath came from the Lord of hosts. 13 Therefore it happened, that just as He proclaimed and they would not hear, so they called out and I would not listen,” says the Lord of hosts. 14 “But I scattered them with a whirlwind among all the nations which they had not known. Thus the land became desolate after them, so that no one passed through or returned; for they made the pleasant land desolate.” (Zechariah 7:8-14)

21 A cyclone sweeps them up — gone!
Not a trace of them left, not even a footprint.

22 Catastrophes relentlessly pursue them;
they run this way and that, but there’s no place to hide —

23 Pummeled by the weather,
blown to kingdom come by the storm.’

And if that's not enough, Apostle Thiel has another one for you sinful scum:

The following is telling of a time when at least some of the descendents of Ephraim (currently dominating lands such as the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand) will face a major destruction from a tornado:
5 Even though Ephraim ran wild,
the black sheep of the family.
“God’s tornado is on its way,
roaring out of the desert.
It will devastate the country,
leaving a trail of ruin and wreckage.
The cities will be gutted,
dear possessions gone for good.
16 Now Samaria has to face the charges
because she has rebelled against her God:
Her people will be killed, babies smashed on the rocks,
pregnant women ripped open.
(Hosea 13:15-16, THE MESSAGE)

But never fear!  If you sinful scum would only repent and come into the ONE and ONLY True Church lead by the most incredible end time man eveeeeeer you life might be spared!

God's Prophet and His Dog Shiloh Walk on God's Holy Land




From all indications Eric is probably a pleasant person to be around and interesting.  The problem is that he has been overcome by Church of God idiocy and now considers himself an instrument of God and a prophet.  Neither of which he is.
You can see more prophet, dog and baby deer videos here.

Friday, April 25, 2014

Get Over It!



One of the favorite sayings in Armstrongism thrown at those who have left it is, "Get over it!"  Here is an article written by an exArmstrongite on the Unfundamentalist Christian blog about this slur.


Every so often someone joins our group, and is dismayed by the raw and painful emotions they encounter there. They don’t quite understand the anger and the pain displayed, often by people who escaped the cult years ago. And so they usually end up offering the same advice: Get over it.
I really hate that platitude.

How does one “get over” discovering that everything they’d been taught about God and religion since childhood was a lie? How does one get over needless deaths or prolonged illnesses brought on by church teachings? How does one get over being inculcated into a “religion” that fostered rape, child abuse, spousal abuse, forced divorce, abandonment of every sort—that created and insisted upon poverty?

How does one “get over” losing family members who will no longer have anything to do with you, because you walked away from “God’s True Church”?

How does one “get over” all the things, and all the ways, that have nearly broken us, when patching and sewing back together all the cracks, rends, and damage done to us is such an agonizingly slow process?

While it is true that time can soften the memories and ease the pain of past traumas, “getting over it” is an impossibility. Life-altering events forever change us—even positive ones. But it seems to be the negative events that we have such a hard time with. Maybe it’s because we suppress the emotions they bring up in us, and don’t share our stories, because we’ve encountered too many “get over it” responses. Maybe it’s because our culture and our churches tell us that we must forgive, must be strong, must move on, must stop “living in the past.” 

Read the story here:   Getting Over "Get Over It"  on the Unfundamentalist Christians web site.


Bob Thiel: Is He Lying About The Number of Congregations That Belong To His Personality Cult?



Are we to really believe that Bob Thiel's claim to have gathered together a lot of African churches that are bringing in over 300 members to his ranks?  Almost all who have read his side of the story immediately smelled a rat. Given that he lied about being ordained and set apart to start his own personality cult I guess we should not assume he would fudge the numbers in order to make himself look bigger than he really is. Thiel has set himself up to be the laughing stock of the Churches of God.    Thiel has knocked Ron Weinland off of that pedestal now.

It is a well known fact that African "churches" will claim allegiance to the highest bidder. This is not only true in the Churches of God but also in evangelical and other Protestant churches operating in that region.

African ministers are taking in money from all directions and becoming wealthy while their members are dirt poor.

In March this year, David Oyedepo, a Nigerian cleric generally believed to be Africa’s wealthiest gospel preacher, acquired a Gulfstream V jet for US$30 million. Oyedepo, who presides over the Winners Chapel, one of Africa’s largest churches, now owns a private collection of four aircraft. In addition to his latest acquisition, he previously owned two Gulfstream planes and a Bombardier Challenger Aircraft. He is also reportedly creating a private hanger to accommodate his flying toys.

Oyedepo is not the only Nigerian clergyman to own a jet. Pastor Enoch Adeboye, the revered overseer of Nigeria’s largest congregation, The Redeemed Christian Church of God, is also a proud jet owner. In March 2009, the great man of God spent $30 million on a Gulfstream jet amidst widespread criticism. Pastor Sam Adeyemi, another cleric and founder of the Daystar Christian center, a flourishing Pentecostal congregation which repeatedly preaches financial prosperity, is also a jet owner.

It’s not cheap to own a private jet. On average, it costs hundreds of thousands of dollars annually to maintain a personal plane. The majority of Nigerians frown at such flagrant displays of opulence, particularly on the path of their clergymen, given that 60% of Nigerians still live below the poverty line.

From a reader here:


...the idea that Bob Thiel "has" these congregations in the first place is ignoring the realities and economies of the situation:

1) What can Bob possibly do for them that they can't do for themselves already? If these "congregations" are already organized and functioning, why would they need a Bob Thiel? Why would they let Bob waltz in, take them over, and then start calling the shots? Tinkering with their doctrines? Each of these congregations already has it's own belief structures and hierarchies of bigshots. Bigshots don't go out looking for bigger-shots to submit to unless there's something in it for them, like subsidies and/or a chance to extend their influence by building a bigger empire in their own backyard. I would be very surprised if Bob could do anything else for the church bigshots in Africa. He certainly can do nothing for the average member of these congregations.

2) What can the Africans do for Bob? The African bigshots aren't the only ones trying to build bigger empires for themselves. Bob wants to show up LCG by building a bigger empire than Uncle Rod. It's unlikely he'll succeed, but he's gonna give it the old college try. Since it's unlikely he's going to convince these far-flung pre-existing congregations to see things his way doctrinally or prophetically, or allow Bob to re-brand them as CCOG, the only thing these groups are going to allow Bob to do is send them his money. What does Bob get in return for his money? The right to boast of a bigger empire? From a desperate point of view, perhaps. In a perfect world, his money would buy a better safety net for the members of these congregations living on the edge. In reality, we don't live in that world, do we?

3) Does Bob have enough money to afford to be scammed by 20 congregations at once? If anybody is being "had" it's Bob, not the street-smart Africans whose cultures often support very different ideas about "right" and "wrong" that are foreign and unexpected to the simple uninitiated American like Bob. Often their take on Christianity is also foreign with the same words meaning very different things. But I guess I could say similar things about narcissist and sociopathic Christian leaders here in the US. The successful ones tend to be just as street-smart, the less successful ones, like Bob, tend to be naïve blobs of neediness and egotism. Who's zoomin' who? Take another look and tell me, Bobby.

4) Bob is trying to play church Monopoly. Bob cannot acquire and "have" new congregations at the drop of a hat like hotels on Baltic Avenue. Congregations that Bob did not build through his own influence are congregations he can never "have" regardless of what price he pays to buy them. They'll never follow him or believe him, though they might take his money. But Bob's US following is too small to afford to buy many other properties or put houses or hotels on them. We all know this intuitively and discount Bob's boasting, don't we?

Wednesday, April 23, 2014

Bob Thiel's African Representative Sentenced to Life in Prison for Shooting at Police When Being Arrested for Fraud



Bob Thiel's new church is off to a rollicking start! One of his minister/representatives has been sentenced to life in prison for a shoot-out with police and for fraud.

Bob was such a good evaluator of character that he brought on George Obunga Otieno as his representative in the African region. Bob did not do due diligence in vetting the guy.  Otieno scammed another COG prior to joining up with Thiel.

I guess that "double dose" of the holy spirit did not do much to open Thiel's eyes.


James Malm is reporting the following saga of the Thiel/Otieno situation


About a year ago I wrote to Bob Thiel warning him about fraud in east Africa particularly in Kenya.  He responded thanking me and saying that he was being very careful, then he took on George Obunga Otieno as his rep in the region.  
 
George was later found to be a scammer and Bob was invited to hold his Feast with Richard Trevor and Bill Goff’s group; because of the lateness of the time, and for economic reasons due to the G. Otieno situation. 

Richard Trevor informs me that:   

We knew it first, [Actually I knew it first and warned Bob] and with much persuasion, convinced Bob that he wasn’t trustable.  The man (George Obunga Otieno) is now in jail with a life sentence for engaging in a shootout with the police when they came to arrest him for other fraudulent activities.  He was sentenced within weeks.  The US could take a lesson.  AND, the fellow’s cousin, Polycap Ogalo, is (was?) [employed] with the Police there, but has been conspicuous by his absence since we discovered his [He also tried to defraud these groups] fraud with us.  He might’ve been fired, but all who know of the situation are mum. 

The man (George Obunga Otieno) scammed James Russell before Bob, taking a large amount to fund a feast for him (CoG in Truth).  Though he used a different name (that’s common in Africa) we suspected he was one-and-the-same fellow by his mailing address and by using another person to enquire about the FoT in Homa Bay, we realized it was a ruse.  It never happened.  That was to be Bob’s site, and we had been working on one nearby, but thought it better to merge the two [allowing Bob to join the other folks site after his letdown with George].   

Bob Thiel recently made a trip to Kenya partially funded by Richard Trevor and Bill Goff to hold a COG convention.   
That was our interest, to have some credentialed person meet and evaluate the situation.  That’s why we helped with the funding of this [Bob's] trip.  Earlier, we intended that the Kenyans host their own elders’ convention, so that they could meet and assess the genuinety of each other, but when Bob indicated he was intending to go there, that proved the better option, and less costly.   Quite a large number of elders did attend.
Malm then points out Thiel's claim that he has 20 some congregations in East Africa is not true.  This is something that many of us have suspected all along.

I am informed that these groups will continue with the same foreign sponsors as before, and that the purpose of this meet was a “get to know your neighbor event”, to fight any possible future scams.  There are several independent groups involved in the meetings and Thiel’s claim that  CCOG currently has over 20 congregations in East Africa, with more expected soon.” is purely in his own imagination; unless he is attempting a takeover of these other groups.   

In fact Thiel may have attempted to entice these various groups to join CCOG [hence the 20 congregations claim]; which is why Bill Goff and other COG leaders have now rushed to Kenya to asses the situation.  The meetings were meant as cooperation against fraud: Did Thiel  use their money to go to Kenya to try and poach their congregations?  

It was Bob who convinced them to partially fund and send him.   “we intended that the Kenyans host their own elders’ convention, so that they could meet and assess the genuinety of each other, but when Bob indicated he was intending to go there, that proved the better option, and less costly.”  Now that Bill Goff had to rush to Kenya anyway,  it does not appear much cheaper than him going in the first place.

Tuesday, April 22, 2014

Eric King, The Most Attacked Sabbath Keeper On The Internet Says: "I Am NOT A Polygamist!"



It appears that the Seventh Day Adventists and Roman Catholics have joined camp together in order to discredit Eric King and and his "ministry.  They are doing this because they tremble in fear at the godly words coming out of King's mouth. 

He has this to say tonight:


NOTE to ALL who visit!

Unfortunately there are many people who attack this ministry and are spreading lies. The most recent satanic liars are accusing us of polygamy! This is NOT TRUE! The founder of this ministry, E.W.King is single for the sake of the gospel. His only wife died three years ago.

Thank you for not listening to the sick liars. Thank you for checking into what we really teach and believe, the Kingdom of God!

Why he is hated by the SDA's and the Roman Catholics:

Eric William King is the most attacked Sabbath keeper on the internet. The Roam Catholics hate him for exposing their false doctrines and calling the pope anti-Christ and the Seventh day Adventists hate him because he exposes their false harlot prophetess!

Also, other COG groups hate Eric because they ignore the true marriage doctrine. If they accepted what Eric taught they would realize that their marriages are adulterous relationships!

Stephen Gilbreath: Three Minutes of the Weirdest and Silliest COG Broadcasting Ever Seen



Does Stephen Gilbreath have one of the weirdest COG "broadcasts" ever to be presented?  
Even Bob Thiel ranks below this guy.

Watch the first three minutes for the most embarrassing stupid facial expressions and as he loses his train of thought several times.  Anyone that gives money to this numbnut deserves to be defrauded!

Monday, April 21, 2014

Tithe Money: "A false prophet needs money to buy things and live a lifestyle of the rich and famous. A child needs it because it is your duty to provide a life better than you had."



There was a great comment on the False Prophet Ron Weinland: Don't Drink the Flavor Aid site on Sunday. The blog has several people commenting who have left Roin Weinland's cult.  This person has a great remedy on what to do with your money if you decided to tithe or give.

I feel so peaceful and happy when a former COG member says they will no longer allow another human being to dictate how they shall follow, or believe in God. If you are going to be “religious”, follow the written words of Jesus, because those plain English words do not change and cannot be twisted to mean anything other than what is written in black and white. Jesus summarized the entire Bible into three words: Love thy neighbor. That means be nice to others. You don’t have to give money or time to ANYONE. All you have to do is be a good person. You don’t have to PROVE that you are a good person, just be a good person whenever you can. Most especially to your loved ones because if you give something to someone that should have been given to a wife or child or neighbor just to show that you are a ” holy” person, then you are actually being evil because that money should have gone to someone who needs it instead of a false prophet. A false prophet needs money to buy things and live a lifestyle of the rich and famous. A child needs it because it is your duty to provide a life better than you had.

Not just the COGs, but ALL so called “churches” should be concerned with doing good instead of doing the “work”, because the “work” has already been done almost 2000 years ago and is manifest by the written words that came out of Jesus’ mouth and anyone can read it for themselves and understand it without a con artist “explaining” it because they could never understand it for themselves without an enlightened one telling them what it really means. All preachers lead us away from the New Testament by chaining us to the Old Testament with lies. You have absolutely no reason to read the Old Testament when you have any one of the 4 gospels to read and discover that you are free to be a good person without jumping through hoops.

Any person that preaches the word of God and asks or expects money is a con artist that does not believe in God. If you have a need to give away 10% of your money, don’t give it to a preacher, give it to a food bank, or a fund for the family 2 blocks away that lost their home in a fire, or a relative that was laid off, or a homeless soup kitchen, or some good cause you can see with your own eyes close to home. But don’t give to a con artist who needs it to keep the work going, or an organization that will feed the poor 12,000 miles away. There are plenty of people in need very close to our own homes. We don’t need to give our money to whoever puts on the best show. And we definitely don’t need to let another person who calls himself a preacher to direct every aspect of our lives and finances.

PCG Thinks It Is Entirely Possible to Be Sinless In Their Lifetime

Photo of the number of sinless people in the Philadelphia Church of God.
Taken the day after Passover 2014 services.



The Philadelphia Church of God (Flurryism) loves to throw around a verse out of Timothy that it is entirely possible to be sinless in this life time. This is particularly shocking considering that the PCG has to be the most hypocritical and sinful COG's ever to exist.  The Philadelphia Church of God has been mired in controversy and sin since the day of its inceptions.  Drunken leaders, pedophiles, thieves, plagiarists, and liars make up so much of the PCG hierarchy.  Broken families, suicides, child/elder abuse and other grievous practices continue to rain down on PCG members while the hierarchy live in their sin-free bubble.

Yet, in spite of the filth that consumes the PCG, it claims at least in print, that it is entirely possible to be sinless in this life time.  Recently, some former members apparently told a PCG insider that it was impossible for this to happen.

PCG was aghast and quickly pointed out that these spiritually degenerate people had destroyed their character for believing otherwise.


Recently, two individuals told me, It is impossible to come out of sin. They both denied the power, Word and authority of their Creator, with whom “all things are possible” (2 Timothy 3:5).

Tragically, these baptized individuals once observed the memorial of Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread in God’s Church. But now their conduct is destroying their character and revealing a worldly form of godliness that also blatantly denies God’s all-conquering power. For such we pray for a full and speedy repentance (Revelation 3:14-22). Unleavened Bread, Remove, Replace, Rejoice

E. W. King: The Fuel You Use to Drive Your Car or Heat Your Home Is Made Up Of Dead Fallen Angels



Eric King, the all important "Knowing One", apostle, and "friend" to his seven concubines women is speaking out on the creation of the earth, dinosaurs, fallen angels and their great underwater cities and fossil fuels.

25~ The prophet Jeremiah had a vision of the first earth age. He saw that the homes of Satan and his angels had been destroyed. “I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void [compare Genesis 1:2]; and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger.” [Jeremiah 4:23-26] On the first earth age the land mass was connected. There was one giant land mass that broke apart during the “fierce anger of the Lord”. “I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.”

26~ Now please understand. During the first earth age there were animals that were not brought back in the seven day re-creation of the earth. Dinosaurs existed on the first earth age. When the war broke out the dinosaurs started to attack each other, plants started to die, everything became corrupt. God preserved the bodies of all life on the first earth age as fossil fuel. God is very detailed in His great plan! He always thinks ahead!

27~ Many of these first earth age cities now lie under the oceans. The original bodies of the fallen angels are buried under the ocean. This helps us to understand this Scripture: “And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell [the grave] delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.” [Revelation 20:13]   The First Point of Purity

Bob Thiel Has Another Crooked Video In Which He Is Relegated To The Corner Of The Room Ro Preach




Poor Bob.  No matter how hard he tries he cannot get things straight.  He left his crooked bookcases, door knobs and his Hobbit chair for a new "set."

This one is state of the art!  I am  in awe!!!!!!

It is the corner of a room with curtains to his left, light switches by his shoulder and a crooked picture on the wall behind him stuck in his head.  The great stage lighting is a lamp on a table.

He obviously has some audience members in the room with him as he looks at them occasionally while quotes from the book The Passover Plot 1965, while he mocks Muslims, his so-called Christians and Jews. He chortles and chuckles with his great knowledge around the 17-20 minute mark.

He and he alone knows all Bible truth. 

Isn't it so wonderful to be blessed with his mind boggling knowledge?