Friday, February 13, 2015

UCG Finally Is Able To Dump Denton Property After 6 Years Because God FINALLY Allowed It To Happen


The typical Church of God method in selling real estate/church property at a discount continues.  Wise investing has never been a strong point in Armstrongism.  From the Festival sites built across the United States, to properties in Vail, Lake Tahoe, Oregon,  England, Texas and Pasadena, every one was sold at a substantial loss.  That tradition continues on in the United Church of God.

Back in January 2008 it was revealed that the United Church of God had bought 81.5 acres of pasture  land in Denton Texas where they had hoped to move their "international" headquarters and build a future campus to rival Pasadena and Big Sandy.

See:  World Exclusive: Photos of UCG Denton HQ Property!

Visions of a college campus and sugarplums danced in their heads.  Though that dancing soon lead to major issues in the church.  Many were vocally against it.  So much so that eventually the church split over it along with other administrative matters.

This all led to COGWA forming where it was the same faces doing the same shit but with a new name.

See:   COGWA's Good Old Boys Network


UCG dumped millions of dollars in tithe money that members struggled to send in for this property,  Less than two years later in August of 2009 Clyde Kilough made the decision to dump the property in order recoup  its money. COGWA was reportedly interested in it though it was to be made clear that they would NEVER be allowed to have it.

See: Council of elders Meeting Announcing Sale of Property

See:  UCG Headquarters Is For Sale


Sale of Denton, Texas, Property Final

It is with great pleasure that we announce to you the sale of the Denton, Texas, property that the Church has owned for some time.

The sale of the 81-acre property was finalized yesterday, February 10, 2015, to a Texas-based land speculation company. The Church purchased the property at the height of the real estate market in January 2008. While the land was sold at a loss from the amount paid at that time (before the decline in real estate prices), our agents, the Council and the Administration are satisfied that the amount received was fair market value and that it was not reasonable in the foreseeable future to expect a higher purchase price.

We thank God for His mercy in allowing this land to be sold. We seek His will about how the proceeds should be used in doing His Work.

Victor Kubik, President
Rick Shabi, Treasurer
Its nice to know that God delayed the selling of the property for  6 years in order for them to sell it in 2015.  God's hand must surely have been on the sale.  While Christians are being slaughtered in Syria, Iraq and Pakistan, children are starving in Africa and Ebola is killing thousands, God is more concerned about selling the Denton property.  Such comforting news.

With UCG's epic financial failure at the end of last year with it's failed campaign to this financial loss, the golden apple that UCG always loved to hold forth is rotting at the core now.

17 comments:

Anonymous said...

" If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ." 1 Corinthians 9:12

historically the cogs have not accepted the principle behind that scripture which is why they continue in stunted growth to this day.

Anonymous said...

As the UCG continues to shrink they finnaly decided to dump this property for a lose. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the writing on the wall. Is the cost cutting going forward to include decreasing the number of congregations and number of paid ministers ect. ?

Retired Prof said...

God works in mysterious ways. Sometimes EXTREMELY mysterious.

Anonymous said...

if a church take tithes of the people and squander it on the physical trappings of the world instead of using it for the edification of its members, that church will ultimately implode...

Silence said...

@Anonymous:

Yeah. UCG is already relying on a lot of part-time and unpaid ministers. Most of their paid staff left with COGWA and they didn't completely refill the ranks. They're already limping along on a wing and a prayer. Judging by the fact that blue muppets and failed public seminars are the best growth strategies they can muster, UCG is pretty screwed.

Anonymous said...

if a church take tithes of the people and squander it on the physical trappings of the world instead of using it for the edification of its members, that church will ultimately implode...

You mean like the Roman Catholic Church has imploded, with its billion members and its extraordinary real estate and museum holdings?

Black Ops Mikey said...

Inept and getting worse.

Lake of Fire Church of God said...

I read with interest the link to “Silenced” article regarding the “the old boys network” and some of the names associated with it. The “old boys’ network” actually extends all the way back to the “East Coast Rebellion” that occurred in the Worldwide Church of God in 1974. That year, the WCG experienced its first major schism losing 35 ministers and approximately 2,000 members. Some of the ousted ministers included Washington, D.C. based Ken Westby, Paul Zapf, Walter Sharp, George Kemnitz, Carl Fowler and many others.

Ken Westby was a Regional Director as well as our Pastor in Washington, D.C. At that time, Baltimore and Washington were a church circuit that at its peak had 1,200 in attendance. My family attended both local Churches. Vince Panella was a preaching elder under Ken who performed the pastor responsibilities in Baltimore. When the East Coast Rebellion occurred, the WCG sent Larry Salyer to replace Ken Westby. My recollection was that HQ sent Rod Meredith to Washington to stabilize the circuit. Mr. Panella stayed with WCG, but was reassigned to another church area if memory serves me correctly. Once Larry Salyer was settled, HQ sent Doug Horchak to Washington, D.C. as a ministerial assistant. Sometime after the Rebellion, the church circuit was split and Mr. Arnold Hampton was sent to nearby Baltimore as a ministerial assistant.

A leading deacon in the Washington, D.C. Church was King Finlay. Mr. Finlay stayed loyal to the WCG and to my recollection became close to Mr. Salyer. Mr. Finlay’s oldest daughter is Debbie Finlay who attended Ambassador College Big Sandy and met and married Clyde Kilough. So, at least for Larry Salyer, Doug Horchak, Arnold Hampton and Clyde Kilough, the COGWA “old boys’ network” origins go all the way back to the Washington, D.C. and Baltimore, Md. local WCG congregations.

Richard

Anonymous said...

"As the UCG continues to shrink they finnaly decided to dump this property for a lose. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the writing on the wall. Is the cost cutting going forward to include decreasing the number of congregations and number of paid ministers ect. ?"

Yep.

Why was this property purchased (by the COGWA guys) in the first place? $$$ For facilities to train replacement ministers before they start dropping like flies from old age. The current UCG hierarchy basically pulled out every stop, broke every rule, and every bylaw to stop them, but couldn't force them out of power and kick them out fast enough to stop them from purchasing this property.

$$$!!!

Although they were right about UCG not being able to afford it (especially not when you factor in all those $$$ pensions & health bennies that "need" to be paid out (only) to these bigwigs in perpetuity!) Their solution? "We don't need no stinkin' facilities. Don't train 'em, (or $$$ pay 'em) just ordain 'em!" They DO NOT want to train any new ministers because if they're trained, they're gonna expect $$$ to be paid. $$$ If you just ordain them, they'll get drunk enough off the power alone. $$$ It's a simple (Machiavellian) $$$ calculation.

$$$!!!

Vic Kubik, Batman McNeely, and Robin Webber etc. want to distribute as much $$$ of UCG's finances to themselves as possible by making sure none of it is squandered on boondoggles or to train or $$$ pay any new upstart "ministers" who are gonna get "too big for their $$$ britches.". Why do you think they were giddy at the prospect of all those $$$ paid ministers going over to COGWA? $$$ Look at all those $$$ liabilies going away! (Don't let the door hit ya!) More $$$ for us! Why do you think they're going to such great $$$ lengths with over 1,000 KOG seminars so far to recruit new warm butts to fill all those empty metal folding chairs? (It must be galling to be failing so spectacularly.) $$$ It must be galling to have sacrificed all those COGWA $$$ pensionpayers thinking they could just replace them $$$ with evangelicals happy to start paying $$$ tithes and hearing about Herbert Armstrong and his strange Millerist heresies, but to now to discover those those empty pews are are gonna be $$$ empty for good!

Uh-oh. $$$!!!

How long before they accept their fate and decide they can't afford $$$ expensive experiments anymore? How long before they start cutting the media $$$ budget so as to better feather their own $$$ retirement nests? How many of them breathed a collective sigh of $$$ relief that, yes, even Dennis Luker, died so f%#@ing fast? $$$!

$$$!!!

Those at the "top" worship a different $$$ god than the one they preach! And if you think I'm off base, the basis for all this comes straight from the horse's mouth—what THEY were $$$ saying in 2010!

$$$





$$$

Byker Bob said...

Unless you are a constant player, it is very difficult to make any money in investments unless you can hold on to those investment indefinitely. This is why the rich generally stay rich. They invest in things that they didn't really need, things that have intrinsic value, and have the moneys to maintain until a more favorable cycle initiates. Also, they have a network and status that the common man or church could only hope for.

I decided long ago that my best way of generating wealth is to apply my gifts and skill set, ingratiate myself to the sweet spot of the the money trail, and to do that consistently. Hard work. Investing has been a mixed bag for me. I did well with platinum, held my own or made modest gains in other areas, and lost money in some. The two areas that I probably lost most on were cars and women. However, those were both entertainment areas, and I didn't necessarily expect any enrichment beyond the smiles.

One could always ask, "Why would anyone buy at the top of the cycle?" And this is an especially poignant question for a church that teaches that the economy is going to tank. But, then every splinter is trying to be that especially blessed breakaway group that ends up attracting and reuiniting all of the splinter members under their, and only their umbrella.

BB

Anonymous said...

UCG and COGWA have duked it out for years over property and cows.

It's like the Old West all over again.

old EXPCG hag said...

Sale of Denton, Texas, Property Final
It is with great pleasure that we announce to you the sale of the Denton, Texas, property that the Church has owned for some time.

Oh brother...

We thank God for His mercy in allowing this land to be sold. We seek His will about how the proceeds should be used in doing His Work.

Oh brother...Really?

Anonymous said...

i mean the cogs have hindered the Preaching of the Gospel because they have rejected the principle of 1 Corinthians 9, particularly verse 12...

regarding the roman church their time is coming...

Anonymous said...

Anon 4:27 AM commented saying: "...i mean the cogs have hindered the Preaching of the Gospel because they have rejected the principle of 1 Corinthians 9, particularly verse 12...

Well, ask any of the xCoG leaders what their Gospel message is and summarize it in 1 or 2 sentences...or 3 or 4 sentences.

And in most, if not all cases, their supposed gospel is not really "good news," but it is news that let's us know that there are a lot of losers when all is said and done...

John

Anonymous said...

when all is said and done, they who believe Christ's Word and do it are the Winners...

Anonymous said...

and regarding the good news it is very simple: that the Lord Wishes that ALL man should ultimately be freed from the limitations and tribulations of being in a state of flesh and be Transitioned to a state of Spirit Eternal...

Anonymous said...

" when all is said and done, they who believe Christ's Word and do it are the Winners...

and regarding the good news it is very simple: that the Lord Wishes that ALL man should ultimately be freed from the limitations and tribulations of being in a state of flesh and be Transitioned to a state of Spirit Eternal...
"

And for all eternity you'll never know how wrong you are.