Wednesday, February 17, 2016

"We don't need to worry about the physical things of the church"


This mind numbing quote by a Philadelphia Church of God member exhibits why spiritual abusers like Dave Pack, Gerald Flurry and Rod Meredith have free reign to abuse their members.  The membership have been blinded to reality.

From a PCG member:

We could or cannot know or understand the truth without God revealing it through Mr. Herbert W Armstrong and Mr. Gerald Flurry. That is the government of God. We have to follow them. We don’t have to focus about the physical things that are happening in the church(we don’t have to focus about people’s sins in the church but to pray for them to stop it) but we focus on the spiritual things God is given to us in the church through Mr. Gerald Flurry. It is only the PCG that is administering God government on this earth. And God is using only PCG to do His work on this earth.

24 comments:

Anonymous said...

"We don't need to worry about the physical things of the church"
"...but we focus on the spiritual things"

Love, compassion, humility...etc., don't actually exist as "things". They only exist as to how things experience or relate to other things. So, stop eating the menu or worrying about who owns the damn dictionary. Because all to often it seems that anything worthwhile can't be taught, it MUST be experienced. So, create experiences worth sharing.

Where's the Love PCG?

pie-in-the-sky

Floyd 1944 said...

WOW. This post is mind numbing. One wondered how people would drink poison cool aid and die thinking they are serving God. Read this post and you have your answer

James said...

' PCG member:

We could or cannot know or understand the truth without God revealing it through Mr. Herbert W Armstrong and Mr. Gerald Flurry. That is the government of God. We have to follow them.'

So much for Christ being their mediator.

1Tim 2:5 For there is only one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity--the man Christ Jesus.
__________________________

See that above? There is ONE and it ain't Gerald Flurry. He is not even mentioned.

Byker Bob said...

Yucckkkk! Someone has surely stepped in the HWAcaca. Atta boy, PCG member. You have fully accepted the programming and no longer have the full usage of the frontal lobe of your brain! How's that working out for you?

BB

Anonymous said...


“We could or cannot know or understand the truth without God revealing it through Mr. Herbert W Armstrong and Mr. Gerald Flurry. That is the government of God. We have to follow them. We don’t have to focus about the physical things that are happening in the church(we don’t have to focus about people’s sins in the church but to pray for them to stop it) but we focus on the spiritual things God is given to us in the church through Mr. Gerald Flurry. It is only the PCG that is administering God government on this earth. And God is using only PCG to do His work on this earth.”


What a twisted mess of confusion! Allow me to correct all those factual errors. Try this:

You cannot know or understand, or even recognize, the truth that God revealed through Herbert W. Armstrong after Gerald Flurry has finished misunderstanding, misapplying, editing, deleting, changing, mangling, and perverting it with all his “new revelation” sewage that “flooded” the PCG from early on. The PCG has the government of Satan. You do not have to follow that. In fact, it is a sin to follow identity thieves who call themselves That Prophet. You definitely do have to focus on the physical things that are happening in the PCG cult (you especially have to focus on people's sins in the cult and beware of them and try to avoid the numerous old male and female sex perverts and predators in the PCG because they will not stop it no matter how much anyone prays for deliverance from them) as well as focus on and beware of the evil spirits that Satan has put in the PCG cult to help his servant Gerald Flurry to do his evil work. It is not just the PCG that is administering the tyranny of Satan on this earth and passing off satanic abuse as the government of God, but the PCG is one of the best at it. Satan is using many other cults too to do his work of deceiving the whole world. But Satan's PCG cult is particularly pernicious because it targeted former WCG people for complete deception and satanic abuse by falsely pretending to be the true successor to the WCG.

Anonymous said...


Gerald R. Flurry's PCG and David C. Pack's RCG both tried to attract former WCG people by claiming to be faithfully holding on to all of the teachings of Herbert W. Armstrong's WCG as they were at the time of his death in 1986. The idea was that this would get away from all the doctrinal changes made by Joseph W. Tkach's apostasy, as well as some ideas that HWA had taught in much earlier years but later changed as his understanding grew, and as certain prophetic date guesses did not work out. As the one who was prophesied to come in the spirit and power of Elijah to restore ALL things, everything was supposedly restored by the time of HWA's death in 1986.

After attracting some former WCG members, Gerald Flurry's PCG and David Pack's RCG both started to change HWA's teachings, and both of them went on to come up with all sorts of truly outrageous new ideas that completely contradicted what HWA had taught.

Many of the people who did not go along with JWT's doctrinal changes in the past are now going along with all of Gerald Flurry's and David Pack's massive doctrinal changes and perversions. The harsh, cruel, controlling dictatorships in Gerald Flurry's PCG and David Pack's RCG have people trapped far worse than they ever were in the past under JWT. People in Gerald Flurry's PCG and David Pack's RCG are cut off and isolated from friends and family on the outside so they can be abused relentlessly and mercilessly.

The fact that Joseph Tkach was bad does not mean that Gerald Flurry or David Pack are good. In fact, Gerald Flurry and David Pack are now both turning out to be even worse than Joseph Tkach was. It does not seem to occur to some people that the Devil is much smarter than they are and that he sent Joseph Tkach, Gerald Flurry, and David Pack, plus a lot more backups in case these false leaders don't do the trick--and it is a trick.


Anonymous said...

It's people like this who commit suicide with their Nike sneakers on.

Anonymous said...

6.27 PM Honestly, I don't get your point.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like they are being manipulated to ignore reality. And shun friends and family who can discern and warn of what's really happening to them. Webs are woven one thread at a time, till the victim is trapped, and doesn't even know it.

Byker Bob said...

Hooray! Danny hasn't yet found a way to hijack this thread with international conspiracy theories based on HWA!

BB

Michael said...

"And God is using only PCG to do His work on this earth."

Oh brother.
What an absolutely puny god that must be.

You'd think he could at least get a spot on Super Bowl half-time before or after Beyonce.

Michael said...

"That is the government of God. We have to follow them."

Since this person is PCG, I mosied over to PCG's site to see what the "government of God" is saying these days. :-)

And came face-to-face with one of the most ridiculous articles on dating ever.
Telling you what not to talk about on dates.
(https://www.pcog.org/articles/2311/do-i-not-i-have-this-conversation-with-your-date)

So, what you should NOT talk about, apparently, is "about the two of you—about your developing relationship—about how much you enjoy your time together".

You gotta be kidding me.

Instead, this completely unrealistic article advises young dating couples to:

"Talk about God’s Work and God’s truth ... What areas you are personally trying hardest to develop and to grow in."
"What is his/her attitude toward serving: volunteering for jobs, joining Spokesman Club..."

Again, they're kidding, right?
Some sort of joke, certainly?
Even WCG AC dates were better than what they're suggesting...

Anonymous said...

Anon writes, "6.27 PM Honestly, I don't get your point."

Hi Anon,

I didn't write the Nike sneaker bit, but I can fill you in.

It's a reference to the mass suicide committed by members of the Heaven's Gate UFO cult, whose leaders called themselves Ti and Do.
Iirc, they believed that upon committing suicide(wearing "uniforms" that included new Nike sneakers and arm-bands with "Heaven's Gate Away Team" printed on them), they'd be transported to a spaceship that was hiding behind Comet Hale–Bopp.

A very forward-thinking and cautious group this was: they had even purchased alien abduction insurance!

-Norm

Anonymous said...

I'm so sick of the PCG! Does anyone follow them on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Pinterest, etc? They constantly promote themselves! They make everything out to be so happy and perfect, they're constantly promoting the concerts at the Auditorium. Ryan Malone and Shane Granger are made out to be celebrities.
It looks so good on throat side, but once you're in the Church, they completely own you and dictate your choices from then on.
I really wish they would be exposed to the local Edmond newspaper, etc.
These people are evil!

Anonymous said...

"Hooray! Danny hasn't yet found a way to hijack this thread with international conspiracy theories based on HWA! BB"

Fret ye not, BB, but, there's still time. And if that doesn't happen, maybe TradingGuy will comment and try and try to convince us it's a trade issue.

It's hard to keep up with all the 'truths' here, due to all the people gracing us with their truths, while believing they're on a "mission from God"

Anonymous said...

The PCG ministry are very proud and always kick you when you're down. Wayne Turgeon always brags about how he hasn't been sick or I'll in over five years, he has no compassion for the sick or elderly! He also preaches from the pulpit that he only needs four hours of sleep every night and people that sleep more than that are lazy!
I look forward to the day when he's struck down with a sickness!

Anonymous said...

Truth in the PCG does not come from Christ or his written word of Christ. It seems to come only from Gerry Flurry and his reinterpretation and rewritten HWA texts.
Odd to rewrite and correct things you think "Elijah" wrote isn't it?
He changed things in many booklets and mystery of the ages so how reliable was any of it anyway?

Imagine the PCG calling their brethren the synagogue of satan when the bible states that the so-called 'Laodiceans', whom the pcg hates, have the spirit of God since they have the testimony of Jesus (can't have one without the other) And they won't so much as speak to them! Hardly the Christian way of life.
PCG is blind to the fact that they worship and follow after men.
Naked of any Christian feeling for others and poor in compassion and humility.
They are certainly blind to men who take titles reserved for Christ to themselves.

Anonymous said...

LOL BB! I believe he is retranslating the "Unforgiven" into conspiratorial diatribes. Be patient.

Based on the various HWA apologetics I've witnessed here, I think I have begun to understand why Jesus Christ didn't pen the Bible himself. And that is, a powerful experience will allways tend to override any print run by those that claim to speak for god. This actually reminds me of a story from the above mentioned book.

Fearisees and Saducees....

drive-by-philosopher

Anonymous said...

6.20 Regarding your 'mission from God' comment, I remind you that Obama and his supporters have a religious spirit of conforming the world to the left wing vision. The Nazis were also driven by a religious spirit. So are the ministers in these splinters who are trying to create a Disneyland for red necks. Humans are religious creatures 6.20AM.

Anonymous said...

Great, there's a "Disneyland for red necks"?

I know a fan of Hank Williams Jr/Charlie Daniels/Ted Nugent who would love to know where such a white supremacist paradise is located!

Anonymous said...

11:07 AM My, aren't we touchy. How about white-red necks, African American-red neck, Asian-rednecks etc. Is that political correct enough? Are you happy now Mister Thought Policeman?

Anonymous said...


2:14 AM, on a date discussing "his/her attitude toward serving: volunteering for jobs, joining Spokesman Club..." is bad advice. Christ addressed this similar situation in Luke 10.

Luke 10:40 But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to SERVE alone? bid her therefore that she HELP me.
Luke 10:41 And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things:
Luke 10:42 But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part (maximum profit), which shall not be taken away from her.

Martha talked of serving, volunteering, helping, but Mary went for maximizing her profit by listening to Christ. And Christ endorsed this approach. So my suggestions for date talking points are:

1 How are you maximizing your profits and minimizing your losses?
2 What good investments do you have an eye on?
3 What is your view of Dow theory, and do you have some good stock market tips.
4 What skills are developing to increase your profit margin, etc etc.

Proverbs 31 is a rich source of dating discussion topics. For instance.
Proverbs 31:16 She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.

Anonymous said...

PS Cheers TradingGuy.

Anonymous said...

"We don’t have to focus about the physical things that are happening in the church(we don’t have to focus about people’s sins in the church but to pray for them to stop it) but we focus on the spiritual things God is given to us in the church"

Funny from my experience with ACOGS the physical things seem to be what most people are focusing on ready to pounce on anyone that doesn't cross their T's and dot their I's. Do something wrong and it will certainly be in the gossip mille.