Tuesday, July 5, 2016

Rod Meredith Said It Was OK To Lie As Long As It Protected the Church

From a reader here:

When I was a student in Rod's class in Pasadena in 1967 I heard him say that it it OK to lie to protect the church or "the work". He suggested that one could make an untrue statement and then (in your head) add something to the statement or amend it in some way that would make it true. So, I would not believe anything that comes out of Rod's mouth on the witness stand because you don't know what he is blathering inside his own mind. He is simply not credible in any circumstances.


Anonymous said...

50 years ago, that's 50, Rod Meredith supposedly said such and such, the question is would he say the same thing now. It's not that I stand behind RCM but come on now, 50 years ago those of us who are that old said all kinds of things we wouldn't agree with now. The thing is this is being put out as if what he said 50 years ago he still goes along with now, no one knows that.

Anonymous said...

I experienced ministers lying to me on several occasions. I could tell by the tones in their voice. It was to the effect that they should be blindly obeyed. They know this is contrary to scriptures.

Anonymous said...

And one of the biggest lies? Why it's that Gods way is the way of 'give' (the converted doing the giving and the tares doing the getting) rather than Gods way of trade as explained in the parable of the talents. Herb knew this, but hid it from the church. Hence even the fundamental right to life (liberty and the pursuit of ones happiness) is never affirmed, as well as self interest, seeking maximum profit, and competition. Interesting even Karl Marx observed that competition placed "coercive" pressure on companies to please consumers. But Herbie constantly railed against competition in church literature.
Presumably, he wanted no one to challenged his privileged position. His mansion, private jet, 5 star hotels felt so good. Oh yes, as well as all the adulation from members and naïve children.

Cheers. TradingGuy

Glenn said...

Anon at 1:17 -

Do you think Rod Meredith has more integrity now than he did 50 years ago? Has he developed better character? Have his views changed all that much? Are his sermons much different? Does he display more mercy or gentleness to people in the church? The best evidence available to me suggests that the answer to each of those questions is "No". If anything he is even more into the pray, pay and obey mode.

Black Ops Mikey said...

Satan, Jesus said, was a liar and murderer from the beginning.

Liars will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Armstrongists don't respect God's Law, especially the Ninth Commandment.

Roderick Meredith as well as so many others is Satan's servant.

RSK said...

I cannot speak for RCM, as I do not remember much of him from WCG other than his name. However, I seem to recall a pastor citing 1 Samuel 19 to justify lying, or maybe it was against a wooden reading of the commandment, I'm not sure.

Anonymous said...

My only exposure to ACOG was a 10 year stint in LCG. I was "called" after learning about the Saturday Sabbath. Then I read the "US & Great Britain in Prophecy" and it really clicked for me. I was zealous for this new "truth" I had discovered and became a dedicate church member.

After only a couple of honeymoon years in which I was completely oblivious and not using a large part of my brain, I started to begin to question. Mostly because of the bad behavior I observed in LCG ministers. I kept saying to my self, "if this is God's church, why are these men WORSE than people I work with in the world?". It just didn't make sense. I mean, it's BAD. I could go on and on about specific instances I became personally aware of but that is beyond the scope of this comment. Let's just say, the things you read on this website are true but there is even MORE.

Don't get me wrong, there are good people in LCG. That being said, there's greater percentage of good is in the membership than in the ministry. Some members are clueless. Some have been raised in the church and know nothing else. Some see the bad things happen but consciously decide to overlook them. Some are fed up and want to leave but lack the courage to leave friends and family.

Once the cracks started to form in my mind which was screaming to me "this can't be God's church because of the way the leaders behave!" I started looking on the internet to research Rod Meredith. That was like opening Pandora's box. I was horrified. I wish I would have done that research BEFORE wasting 10 years of my life in LCG.

That search led to me learning the truth about BI. Total crap. I'm too smart to have fallen for that one. I actually believe in DNA and historical proof over the hypothesis of an uneducated, charlatan.

Back to the point, Rod Meredith actually BELIEVES his lies. They don't feel like lies to him. He's convinced himself of an alternate reality. It's pathological. If you know anything about Meredith, you know that he has been a liar for over 60 years. Yet people follow him.

The truth, love, grace and history don't seem to matter to a vast majority of LCGers. They seem fine putting up with the corrupt ministry so long as it means they get to keep their friends.

Anonymous said...

I remember WCG ministers saying that if you lied to them, it was as if you were lying to the Holy Spirit God put in them and therefor, you could be committing the unpardonable sin.

Anonymous said...

I noticed that many ministers over the years have used Samuel 19 to justify lying. We hat they ignore is the context. Samuel held back information to protect his life. He wanted trying to harm or defraud. It was purely self defence. This is not the same as ministers holding back information to morally mislead members. Ministers are paid by members to teach Gods laws rather than hide parts they don't t agree with. This is deceit and fraud on the part of the ( Balaam) ministry.

Anonymous said...

All mafia-type organizations utilize lies to protect the "family." The Catholic Church is a religious mafia, and most of its offshoots are also. It exists everywhere, even in police departments. It's the way of this world. Look around you and be honest. You'll see it everywhere. Allen C. Dexter

Stephen said...

We shouldn't really be debating whether or not it is biblically permissible to lie to protect Rod Meredith's abusiveness or not:

1 Peter 2:
19 For it is commendable if someone bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because they are conscious of God.
20 But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God.
21 To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps:
22 “He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth.”
23 When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly.

In the context of verse 23, Rod Meredith is the one hurling the insults and creating the suffering.

If any person thinks that Rod Meredith is being taken to court for doing what by any stretch of the imagination could be considered "good," then that person is clearly out of touch with reality. Ditto for anyone who thinks verse 22 could also describe Rod Meredith or his henchmen.

If Rod Meredith doesn't want any "beatings," then he shouldn't be doing so much wrong. And if he does take a beating in court, and endures it, how is that even to his credit? Is that not merely what he should expect from the hand of actual justice?

Far from entrusting himself to anyone who might judge justly, he wants folks to lie on his behalf so he can escape from justice. He wants to be able to do wrong and get away with it, and he wants others to aid him in this travesty of justice, and then, no doubt, he'll tell them that the whole thing was "commendable before god." When pigs fly!

RSK said...

Umm, the passage isnt about Samuel.

Redfox712 said...

Roderick C. Meredith said the following statement in his March 12, 2009 broadcast, The Power of Prophecy at http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/telecasts/the-power-of-prophecy. Starting at 26:53 onward he says the following statement.

"You will gain precious insights and information available nowhere else."

How is that not a lie? There are hundreds of COG organization that teach things quite similar to what LCG teaches. The vast majority of the ideas taught in LCG are taught in most other COG organizations.

I suspect he says that fairly often.

It seems Meredith thinks it is fine to lie to get more recruits for his organization.

Anonymous said...

RSK, the 'lie' massage is 1Samuel 16.2 and not Samuel 19 as you point out.

Anonymous said...

Ah, the power of competition. "Only brand X sliver has precious insights and information. Beware of imitations. Oh, not forgetting, only members of this true church, qualify for the place of safety. The price? Only 10% of your income. Err, with RCG, it's also your house, retirement money, and the kids piggybank. Hurry, hurry, hurry before the tribulation strikes."

Anonymous said...

Is the mediation hearing still scheduled for July 11th? Also, due to the fact that mediations are a confidential process where the terms of discussion are not disclosed to any party outside the mediation hearing, Will this site seek to find out what the outcome of the mediations were?

Anonymous said...

8.27 AM I agree with you. Every difficult person I know has gotten worse with age, not better. With advancing age they slow down in some ways, but if provoked, they are worse than their younger version. This is to be expected, since bad habits are constantly reinforced.