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Saturday, June 11, 2016
Dave Pack has been suffering one financial set back after another with his over ambitious building program, defecting ministers and members who took their tithe money with them. Ever since he told his dwindling membership that the money sitting in their retirement accounts, investment accounts and other savings all belonged to God (i.e. Dave Pack) and that they must send it all in, he has left himself sitting high and dry financially. There is nothing left but the forced tithes of the few remaining members.
Now Dave has put his home up for sale. We should all realize that this is a wonderful gesture by Dave as he donates all of the money to the church for the gospel message! As God's greatest minister to ever lead a Church of God since Jesus sat down to feed the five thousand, Dave has finally set the example as the most giving minister the church has ever seen. His gift of over $300,000.00 to the Restored Church of God is amazing! Well done Dave! We all know that you would NEVER dream of moving into a bigger and more beautiful home like those ministers in LCG, PCG and UCG do. No sir!
I hope all of the furniture in this home is
"staging furniture", because if it's not, Dave has no taste at all!
Two of the bigger myths that have occupied Church of God members over the decades is the now disproven and irrelevant man-made doctrine of British Israelism and the heavily promoted myth of Petra being the "place of final training" for the chosen few.
The biggest proponent of the Petra myth was Herman Hoeh, the discredited non-historian on all things historical and biblical. His "research" is still trotted out today as the end-all truth restored to
Herman Hoeh wrote in the April 1962, Good News:
Let's open our Bibles to see why Petra has puzzled scholars and Bible students for centuries.
The true Church of God is pictured in Revelation 12. It is symbolized by a woman — the bride of Christ. But it is a persecuted woman — a Church hated by the world. According to verse 6 the Church fled the first time from her persecutors for 1260 years — during the Middle Ages. But verse 14 unveils another flight of the Church — in the very last days. This time the duration is only 3 1/2 years! "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle" — supernatural deliverance — "that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time" — 3 1/2 years.
This prophecy has never been understood by the world because the world cannot understand to whom this prophecy refers. It does not recognize who are the true Church. It sees only the false churches, described in Revelation 17.
But consider now the special time of this prophecy about protection in a mysterious wilderness. Notice exactly which period in the history of God's Church the escape shall occur. Turn to Revelation 3:7-13. This is addressed to the Philadelphia Era of God's Church — the Church before whom Christ opens the door to preach His gospel around the world (verse 8). Because this Church has kept Gods word, Jesus promises: "I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation" — the time of trial — "which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth' (verse 10). Here is a world-wide terror to come upon all nations. This is not for the slow-moving past. It is a prophecy for the pulsating present the last days of human history — just before God intervenes to set up His Kingdom to bring peace at last.
Here is a prophecy for this generation — at the very time God's Church is preaching and publishing the Gospel of the Kingdom of God world-wide. This prophecy is about us!
But how will Jesus keep us from the coming trial and persecution? We just read the answer from Revelation 12! There is a place of safety, in a wilderness, for the people of God.
But where is that wilderness?
That is the mystery that has puzzled so many for so long! God has kept it a mystery so the world would not know. He has even kept it hidden from God's Church in the past so His people would have their minds on their work! It is only those who are having a part in the work of God — who have their minds on the Kingdom of God, not some physical place of protection — who will escape. That escape cannot be planned for in advance. It is a supernatural escape!
Remember, if the Christians in Jerusalem in apostolic days had quit their work and prematurely escaped to Pella before A.D. 69, they would have been destroyed by the Roman armies who devastated the city. It was only those who completed the work of God who reached safety in A.D. 69 after the Romans destroyed Pella!
That is why God has veiled the exact place of escape from human eyes all these years. But as the days draw closer to the time of the end, the light of prophecy shines ever more clearly! When the moment comes that we need to know where that place of safety is, Christ will make it known. Meanwhile we need to keep our eyes open and our minds yielded — drinking in the implications of prophecy for this Church today! But where does Petra fit in all this?
An Old Testament ProphecyTurn to Isaiah 42:l0-13. Here is a prophecy for today — a time of divine intervention, verse 14. Now read verse 11 from the Jewish Publication Society translation according to the original inspired Hebrew:
"Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit" — the descendants of Kedar are the Bedouin Arabs who dwell throughout the Middle East in black tents. Here we have a wilderness located in the Arab world! But continue reading: "Let the inhabitants of Sela exult. Let them shout from the top of the mountains." The inhabitants of Sela? Who are they? And where is Sela? (In the King James Version the word for Sela is translated "rock.")
Any Bible student knows that Sela is the Hebrew name of Petra! Sela means Rock — in Hebrew; Petra means Rock in Greek! But Sela or Petra is fundamentally uninhabited today, save for a few dozen wandering Bedouin. These are not the inhabitants in this verse, for notice verse 12: "Let them" — the inhabitants of Petra or Sela — "give glory unto the Lord" — the Bedouin do not know God, they are Mohammedan — "and declare His praise in the islands."
Which islands? The islands which Israel inhabits — Isaiah 41:1 and 8. God is certainly not going to use a few uneducated, ignorant Mohammedan Bedouin to declare His glory in the islands and coastlands of Northwestern Europe — where Israel is today! This prophecy resurrection and the return of Christ in power and glory. Christ is going to use His servants — now immortal in the Kingdom of God — to proclaim His intervention and the establishment of His Kingdom over all the earth. He is going to use the very ones whom He is now using to proclaim His message. Then they will finally heed!
Isn't this prophecy a clear indication that the place of safety for the people of God who are now doing the work of God — and broadcasting to the islands and coastlands of Northwestern Europe — is in an Arabian wilderness, where the Bedouin dwell and is probably at Sela, or Petra?
Because Armstrongism set itself up as something "special" it had to constantly reinforce the idea that it would be persecuted for its beliefs. Being such a small church in membership, it was to be persecuted for keeping the truth alive, that for some reason God never had the capability of preserving for 1,900 years.
One of the unique things about aberrant faiths is the desire to make the group special and filled with secret knowledge. Going to a place of safety and being protected by God was the specialness of Armstrongism. It is still forcefully advocated by the major false prophets of Armstrongism to this very day. From Dave Pack to Gerald Flurry, from Almost Arrested Bob Thiel to Rod Meredith and even the more "enlightened" UCG boys. Petra is always on the back burner ready to be brought forth when a world crisis hits the scene.
Almost Arrested Thiel has yet another post up today about Petra. Like everything he writes about he will never take a stand on anything. Petra may be the place of safety, but it may not be, but it most likely could be...well...maybe... I am surprised that Almost Arrested Thiel is such a milquetoast when it comes to taking theological stands, espically when he was trained by his daddy/idol Rod Meredith, who as "The Man", always took a stand.
Almost Arrested Thiel writes:
"Petra has long held prophetic interest for Christians.
The Bible tells of a place in the wilderness where some Christians are subject to protection (Revelation 12:14-16). Many have wondered if this could be Petra in Jordan.
Carnally speaking, Petra is not a place many would pick (cf. 10 safest nations to be in during World War III? Has WWIII begun?). But God may have chosen it or at least somewhere relatively near or like it.
One of many sermons by the Continuing Church of God at the ContinuingCOG YouTube channel and is titled Might Petra be the Place of Safety?
It covers information such as:
The Bible teaches that a portion of the Christians will be protected in a wilderness area during the Great Tribulation. Might this place be Petra in Jordan? Which places do the Bible show can and cannot be the place of safety? Is the idea of Christians fleeing to an area with caves during the reign of the Beast and Antichrist an old one or a modern invention? Which Christians get this protection and which do not? Will those who do not go be subject to persecution? Do Catholic prophecies warn against this biblical place of protection?As far as Petra goes there are several clues in the Bible that suggests Petra or a place similar to it. But part of this is based upon where the place of protection is not."
"In terms of its location from Jerusalem, Petra (Sela on some Bible maps) is mainly south and slightly east of Jerusalem.
Now it is also possible that the actual place could simply be just be near Petra or perhaps the location will be far from it.
Philadelphians and the Wilderness
In the New Testament, while not all Christians are promised physical protection, the Philadelphians are promised to be protected from the Great Tribulation and this place is in the wilderness according the the Book of Revelation:"
"Places, such as Petra, are in the wilderness and in a biblically possible location.
Now, because of the fact that Petra is such an important tourist site for Jordan, and because of archaeological considerations, it may not be the place. But it could be or even near the place.
While Petra may not be the place, it is a place to be considered."You can read his convoluted drivel here: Petra in the news! Could Petra be the place in the wilderness where Christians are protected during the Great Tribulation?
The Almost Arrested false prophet has just re-released one of his books on Hillary Clinton.
Non-voting Almost Arrested Thiel assumes he is the final voice in politics. Apparently his god visits him in dreams and inspires him to write these steaming piles of ______.
The name of his book on Hillary Clinton is this:
Hillary Clinton, Prophecy, and the Destruction of the United States: Is Hillary Clinton Fulfilling Biblical, Islamic, Catholic, Hopi, and other America-Related Prophecies? What About Donald Trump? 2nd editionWe are blessed to have included in this magnificent revised edition information on Donald Trump too.
Almost Arrested Thiel writes:
The subtitle has been changed to include information about Republican Presidential candidate Donald Trump. Donald Trump was not mentioned in the first edition of the book as he did not announce his candidacy until about two months after that book came out.
But Donald Trump was not the only reason to come out with a second edition. Hillary Clinton has made more statements that prove that my original contention that she is ‘apocalyptic’ is correct.
...lists 20 reasons why she is apocalyptic and also points out she, and even Donald Trump, are fulfilling certain end time prophecies. This edition is also a dozen pages longer than the first edition.Who's prophecies? The Mayans? The Hopi's? Muslim prophets? Nostradamus? Another self-appointed Church of God leader? Fatima? Herman Hoeh? Buddha? Elvis?
Certainly one cannot place any credence upon rantings of a Church of God leader, because the 90 year track record of COG prophecies coming to pass has been nill. So who is one to believe?
Friday, June 10, 2016
Hulmerous Church of God members abandoning Hulme and jumping into the so called "Continuing" Church of God
Now that David Hulme's little personality cult is on the verge of collapse, the few followers in Africa that he has are abandoning ship. With Hulme's tirades resulting in the disfellowshipping members and ministers, the income stream is quickly drying up. When the money dries up there is nothing left to go to the professional church moochers in Africa. Never fear though, those "brethren" found a new money stream. They are supposedly jumping into the big manure pile of Almost Arrested Elisha Elijah Amos Thiel. Secretly, I hope they all do and drain the false teacher and false prophet dry financially.
Catching up on truth in the Portland Library
(Let him who has eyes understand)
So back to the question
I have to admit, I watched every one of AronRa's refutations of Apostle Dave Pack's series on Irrefutable Proofs of God, which were easily refuted , with glee. It was a job more than well done by a man who actually knew what he was talking about compared to Dave Pack who only thinks he knows what he is talking about but really doesn't.
Several times in my ministry I experienced a glimmer of hope that new information which would really help the church and relieve burdens that were simply unnecessary were introduced .
The Systematic Theology Program my first experience with hoping we could stop majoring in the minors . Topics such as Divine Healing and Divorce and Remarriage were given a good looking over and burdens of belief and practice in these troublesome areas seemed on the verge of a balancing perspective. Wrong.... As most of us know, the ministers were ordered to turn in their copies of the STP and Authority trumped knowledge once again in the Church of God. Herbert Armstrong would have none of it and Satan got the blame.
AronRa pointed out to Dave Pack that his "proofs" were all one way , from the top down, through his series, his booklets and his opinions with the implication that once explained, it should now be your belief. That's how churches work. Here our booklet. Read and agree with it. Come to church and pray, pay, obey and stay. Simple!
Ever try to offer a rebuttal back up the chain of church "authority"? As the King told Herbie in the Wizard of Id who came to the King offering advice and some things that needed changing said, "Well with ideas like that Herbie, you'll really go up in this kingdom." The next scene we see Herbie standing at the foot of the gallows to "Up you go Herbie"
Truth in the Churches of God always have this bad habit of having to come from the top down. It can't come from new information on old well accepted church fairy tales. It certainly can't come from Books on the topic not written by the Grand Masters of the Churches. Unless it's an in house booklet it's not going to happen and for sure it ain't coming from YOU!
When I was a kid, if I had a theological question, and I had many, you simply asked the minister. After all he is the expert right? Even as a Presbyterian kid, I figured he'd know and he was supposed to know. And he did know the Presbyterian spin on all thing Bible and Calvin.
I have to say that if I had had the Internet as a kid, I NEVER would have given WCG a thought in its teachings much less wish to pastor churches in their name. Knowledge had not been increased as prophesied at that time and would only increase later with age , experience and dis-illusionment fueled by study on my own and allowing myself to come to my own conclusions without fear, guilt or shame. Disillusionment is not a bad thing. Who wants illusions? Well except the Splits, Splinters and Slivers...
The leadership of the Churches like religious folk. Religion, by my own definition is what OTHERS can pour into your head for you to believe. They can define your days of worship , your diet, your financial commitments and when to show up where and for what. They tell you what to believe and if you are a good member, you agree to believe it. I know you think you studied it our well but you really didn't because your leadership didn't and won't once their own beliefs are set in stone and unalterable. The ever changing "truth" is not what they can use to uphold their image as "one who knows."
Spiritual folk, on the other hand, are like cats. You can't herd them. They might listen to what you say, but their sense of self and belief comes from within and is not easily commanded to believe as told.
As my dad often said when he was told to do or be something he was not certain he had to do or be (sometimes by Dave Pack personally), "I'll take that under advisement." That was dad's way of saying "NO".
As my dad often said when he was told to do or be something he was not certain he had to do or be (sometimes by Dave Pack personally), "I'll take that under advisement." That was dad's way of saying "NO".
It is risky calling anything "The Plain Truth" when it comes to religion and issues of faith and practice based on Bronze and Iron Age admonitions and perspectives. It's especially risky when one has not done the hard work of study or literal exploration in the field. Dave Pack sat home in a nice chair, reading Creationist views and fondly remembering outlining The Genesis Flood in class 50 years ago, as if it was ultimate truth and it was not even close, and that was good enough. He no doubt read "A Whale of a Tale " and "A Theory for the Birds" and that pretty much proved evolution of all life to be a farce. Of course those booklets were the farce and grossly wrong as is Dave Pack today and was so mercilessly pointed out. Dave was way out of his league in thinking he could bully folk into scoffing at the facts of science and evolution and not get called out on it.
Those video rebuttals can now follow him the rest of his Internet life to give a better case for evolution than the case he made for magic and myth.
And that's the problem isn't it? In the Churches of God, you can't call out an Apostle, Prophet or Soon to Be Arrested Elijah Amos Thiel on anything. They don't listen , don't want to hear it, out of embarrassment can't change course now and dearly love to be the sole source of your truth and not others who actually know the facts. They don't really want to know the truth of anything. They want you to know their truth. They will dis-member you to protect the crock.
In the Churches of God the only recourse that leadership understands and that the laity has is to :
Withhold their support
Go along to get along
Vote with their feet
These are timeless and effective Church of God from the bottom up tools to get the attention of Apostles, Prophets, Presiding and Soon to Be Arrested types.
But don't be surprised that you will not be given the credit for research well done and common sense well explained. You will have to endure, "There is a way that SEEMS right to YOU, but it will end in death.." "The Wisdom, (buster) of Man (YOU) is FOOOOLISHNESS with God." or my favorite, "You are just using human reasoning," to which I would then ask them, "and what kind of reasoning do you use?" If they say "God's" , well you got 'em on the basis of human arrogance and hubris.
All this to say, and to encourage those still hanging on to Splits, Splinters and Slivers, that it is ok to think for yourself. It is ok , in real life and living to express the following concepts of real living and personal integrity:
"With all due respect, I don't believe that."
"What is it about AronRa's rebuttal you either don't understand or don't agree with and why?"
"We won't be attending that event"
"I give what can but don't order me to "Send it in"
"Well that's your view, it is not mine and here's why"
"No, I/we have no intention of believing you know we must flee to Petra and you will be the one to give the order."
(This is a particularly good skill to have in case Apostle Dave Pack issues such orders. His luck with prophecy and the truth of many things of late has been right at 0% correct)
"I'll take that under advisement..."
Established churches by nature can't change much. It spooks the brethren. If they do change, the do it over decades and centuries leaving the past generation of believers to believe what the next will be able to shed. THE REASON WCG under the Tkaches and now it's poor cousin Grace Community International under Joe Tkach have crashed and burned is because of radical, foolish and immediate change over months. All that does is leave the laity with the distinct impression that today's truth is tomorrows joke and the jokers in charge don't know what they are talking about at any one time. I think we can all recall the 37 changes back and forth on the topic of make-up. It was no if Herbert said no. It was yes if Ramona harassed him over it long enough.
Not observing and recognizing your beautiful children's birthday because some jackass in history cut the head off some fanatic is not really a good enough reason not to send the message to your children you love them are are very pleased they showed up on the planet.
Group truth is weak truth and probably not true for the most part. Truth handed down from the top is also probably not as true as one would like it to be.
Notice the reason groups and churches must all speak the same thing.
"I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought."
I Corinthians I:10
Here, the reason that all must speak the same thing is to prevent discord and division and to give the appearance of group agreement on all things. This is, in reality and practical fact,an impossible requirement if one really wants to get to the truth of anything. All believing the same thing just to preserve unity is not a healthy or even honest pursuit of what is actually true. Of course, it rankles the group big time.
Groups don't possess truth. Individuals do and while it might be said to be their truth or their present truth, it at least implies there might be more to come with newer and better information which they will always be willing to consider.. Groups don't like newer and better information and for sure those issuing truth from the top down detest it.
Think about it....
Thursday, June 9, 2016
HWA's EMBARRASSMENT WITH CHRIST
Writing in The Bulletin, June 3, 1975, pp. 293-294, Herbert
Armstrong explained a perplexing dilemma he had been facing:
“One thing has been a serious handicap, and caused me
and my touring team no little embarrassment. We have had
to say that we represent either Ambassador College, or
Worldwide Church of God.
“I am regarded as an Ambassador for WORLD PEACE.
But if I represent a CHURCH, immediately that shouts to
them ‘RELIGION!’ and that sparks prejudice and
competitive religious prejudice. If I try to get away from
appearing to be a religious crusader by representing
Ambassador College, they ask, ‘Where is this college? How
many students do you have?’ A college even with two
campuses, having enrollments of only some 500 to 700
sounds pretty small, compared to the universities all over the
world each with from 5,000 to 68,000 students.
“Christ has said we must be ‘wise as serpents, and
harmless as doves.’ Some weeks ago I authorized the
forming and incorporating of a new FOUNDATION,
named ‘The Ambassador International Cultural
Foundation. ‘ It is non-profit, dedicated to serving humanity
“Foundations, such as the Ford Foundation, the
Rockefeller Foundation, etc. are regarded with great
respect. I still mention Ambassador College, but also
explain that we have now formed this new Foundation to
sponsor our worldwide educational program for all peoples
at all levels. In time, we may, in this worldwide new
dimension of the Work, drop all mention of Ambassador
College, except as one of the associated institutions.
Furthermore, for accreditation purposes, it is necessary that
this phase of the Word be removed from Ambassador
College, as it now will be legally.
“Already, we are finding that this new Foundation is
giving great added prestige, credibility and favor. It is
something NOBODY CAN CRITICIZE! It carries no
Three years later, HWA was screaming about those who had
deceived him into going secular and intellectual! What could be
more secular and intellectual than founding another foundation
similar to the Ford Foundation? Interestingly, that organization’s
founder, Henry Ford II, separated himself from it a few years
ago, claiming it had entirely lost its direction, and he wanted
nothing more to do with it. And, I think, the Rockefeller
Foundation is well known to Americans for its humanistic
liberalism. But Herbert Armstrong craves association with those
types of institutions while he abhors having any connection with
his church and college! No wonder he refers to church members as
“dumb sheep.” What could be more revealing?
Also, while he himself was going international, seeking the
support of “all peoples of all levels, everywhere,” and while he
was actively seeking association with the “great and near-great of
this world,” he had the brass to write to the “dumb sheep:”
“SHOULD GOD’S PEOPLE TAKE ACTIVE PART IN
LOCAL COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES?” In his Pastor’s Report
of August 28, 1978, his answer is “No.” While he cavorts with the
“name people” as much as he possibly can, he wants the “dumb
sheep” to “sacrifice until it hurts” to further his work and his
work alone. It has never been HWA’s policy to give aid to local
communities via the local church there.
While Jimmy Carter discussed Christianity with the Chinese
leaders (Carter is not even a minister), Herbert Armstrong, who
professes to be a Christian minister, did not so much as mention
the name of Christ on his trip to China for fear of offending his
hosts. Herbert Armstrong seems to have no fear of offending
Christ. But remember, he is ashamed of religion. He would prefer
not to mention the “only name given under heaven whereby a
man might be saved!” Jesus said, “Whosoever therefore shall
confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father
which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him
will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven” (Matt.
Herbert Armstrong has an unusually strong desire to walk
among the great of this world. In May of 1978 he wrote to his coworkers
that he and Queen Elizabeth of Britain were going to cohost
an important premier of a charity motion picture in London.
The Queen’s staff at Buckingham Palace replied they had never
heard of Herbert Armstrong. There was embarrassment all
around. HWA’s boast just was not so. But that is the way he
thinks. He so desperately wants to mix in important circles of
“this world.” One would be hard-pressed to explain what a
religious leader who has taught the things Herbert Armstrong has
taught would be doing sponsoring such a motion picture in the
Herbert Armstrong was not ashamed to be photographed
with his friend, President Jomo Kenyatta of Kenya, who was
involved in the massacre of British people and cannibalism during
the uprising there some years ago. He liked the picture and had it
put on the cover of some of his publications. He probably would
be photographed with the devil himself, if that would advance his
social position. But he must keep his sheep in line back home,
because they are his power base until he can do better. They pour
the money in.
Church members who worked in the expensive new auditoriumFrom John Robinson's, Tangled Web....courtesy of The Painful Truth
in Pasadena began to speak out when concerts of all kinds began
to bring in entertainers and support crews right out of
Hollywood. These crews were not “born-again Christians” by
any means. They run the cross section of the entertainment
industry. In the eyes of religious people, that is not good. Here,
right in what Herbert Armstrong had called “The House for
God” when he was soliciting funds from the membership, were
technicians and others who took God’s name in vain as a matter
of course and others who talked “homosexual talk” while among
our people. On at least one occasion, members were rushed out of
the auditorium after Sabbath services while it was still the
Sabbath in order to get it ready for a performance that evening.
Why? Well, HWA was busily removing the stigma of representing
a church and a college in order that he might be well spoken of
among the New York and Beverly Hills set.
Wednesday, June 8, 2016
Below is a comment on another thread.
This person is not alone in withholding tithes from Charlotte. I have had scores of private emails from LCG members who are also withholding money. The mistrust in the leaders in Charlotte is astounding at how widespread it is. Yet, every time someone from Charlotte speaks or writes it is as if the church has never been more unified. Any time a minister, evangelist, department head or representative from Charlotte ever says they are unified, you will know immediately that they are liars.
LCG is ready to implode.
Who will take all the money this time and start a new church?
Meredith did that twice before and will never be able to do so again. Lil'Jimmy is incompetent and will never be able to. Richard Ames is old and incapable of keeping the church unified. Gerald Weston has a horrible record of abuse of members, so don't expect huge numbers to follow him.
I truly feel sorry for LCG members will face yet again.
Tuesday, June 7, 2016
Living Church of God suffers another setback in their advertising campaign that uses deception to get in the door of Christian radio stations.
Deceptive advertising is key to LCG in getting their feet in the door. The same goes for UCG. They do the exact same thing. They of course learned this from their religious Daddy, HWA. After getting caught so many times being deceptive he started Ambassador Foundation as another avenue of getting the message about "a strong hand from some place" across to the deceived world.
From Eixt and Support:
June 6, 2016
Thank you for alerting me to the Living Church of God, and their ad on Salem Christian radio in KY.
I called WFIA and talked to individual who said that the ad was for the "The Living Church." Interesting. Many of these offshoots of Herbert W. Armstrong will not not be upfront and give their complete name.
I informed this individual that their real name is "The Living Church of God."
He informed me that Salem Media in Irving, TX was responsible for airing advertisements. I called and was informed that they are pulling the add, and rightfully so. --[name withheld]
If you want to contact Salem Media for other ads by LCG and other COG groups then see here: Salem Media
Monday, June 6, 2016
Living Church of God picks the most moronic things to discuss on their tv/web casts.
When they should be talking about Jesus, grace, salvation, helping the needy, the sick and what true rest in Christ is, they instead preach this kind of idiotic drivel.
Can Wyatt truly be this silly?
It's no wonder the Living Church of God has sunk into being nothing more than a sad parody to mock.
What could have been, is no longer.