Tuesday, May 23, 2017

Dave Pack: I am so far out there that I am untestable because I have the "ability to see things that are not real "



Everything about superfantabulous Dave is so extraordinary that physical testing cannot comprehend how he operates.  Even his brain is so extrodianry that tests are unable to identify his abilities.

Super Dave is right about one thing he says below, he has the ability to see things that are not real. No one in their right frame of mind would ever say the things he says.

I’ll just tell you another kind of an interesting little side note. You know, since last summer…Just, I’m a different kind of person, and whoever was going to be the watchman would have to be this way. I have almost a unique ability…I’ve been tested, brethren…my ability to see things that are not real—but an ability, in the brain that could be tested out of 19 different human skills that people are, or are not, born with. There are human engineering tests and I took one back in 1974, at the beginning of’ 74, late’ 73. Tests whether you can see things three-dimensionally, two-dimensionally, or do you have typing skills, do you work well…there are all kinds of things they can test, and you either have the skill or you don’t; you can inherit it or not.
But one of the skills they test is whether or not you can see many avenues to a situation. And they told me at the end of this, you know, I failed miserably on certain things, because everybody does. He said don’t ever be a typist. Don’t ever be a civil engineer, you know, designing bridges in three-dimension, and so forth. It’s not, you know…You don’t have that ability, but…they said, Mr. Pack, we noticed something. You are untestable in one area. You can see things that are…we have no ability to test. You have an unlimited…or kind of an “unbounded,” they interpreted it later…an unbounded ability to see all kinds of avenues to address any kind of problem. You are sir…I remember the guy looked at me and said, “Sir, you are so far out there, you’re untestable.” We paid a lot of money for this test, and there was a particular reason why I did it.

17 comments:

Anonymous said...

David Pack was my minister when we were both in Global Church. It clearly showed in his sermons that he was full of his self. lol

Dennis Diehl said...

Everyone is testable. No one is untestable. Dave may also be certifiable if he's not careful.

Connie Schmidt said...

I too have the ability to see things that are not real!

... And SUPER DAVE, is one of them!

The Painful Truth said...

Seems once again he is subconsciously trying to warn everyone that he is going into meltdown mode. Not a joke.

Byker Bob said...

If Dave were more specific, we could subject these statements to review or testing. Without the name of the test, or an actual personal report on him, there is nothing to substabtiate or deny. It just becomes another part of Dave's barrage. Actually, it doesn't even matter. His Joshua-Zerubbabel stuff hasn't come to pass, so pending that, nothing else he says is credible.

Dave says things about himself that most folks wait and allow others to say about them. It means more like that anyway.

BB

Anonymous said...

He has always been mentally screwed up. Abnormal. That's why he couldnt get in the Navy, why he didn't go to the Olympics, why he couldn't stay in his family business that his brother now controls, why he couldn't keep a job, why his sons were cocaine users and dealers, why he let his wife die early, why he married his dead wife's nurse less than a year after his wife died, why his children all took off to get away from him, and now... he is descending deeper and deeper into psychosis. He is the kind of abnormal person as koresh, Manson, Jones, and other dangerous control freaks. As his empire collapses around him, he is the kind of person who will set the place on fire and be the pillar of fire that he said will happen in wadsworth soon, and he will kill people. The authorities are aware of his fanaticism. Hopefully they stop him before he totally nuts up and destroys everyone and everything that he has set up for the fall. I give it "less than the fingers than can be counted on one hand". Run for your lives RCG "church" members. You are in a dangerous cult situation!

DennisCDiehl said...

PT Yes, it is not a joke and Dave is signaling a coming breakdown. His disjointed and confusing dialogue about himself is troubling. He seems to be trying also to encourage himself that he still right as in "I am right, I am , I am, I am...."

BB is also spot on because it is not good enough to say "I have been tested and..." if one is going to use the results to impress or convince others just how amazing you are. What test? Who gave it? I have to say that while Dave aludes to "and I know why I took it," the timing is suspicious. In 73 Dave was let go as a ministerial assistant due to "budget cuts." I was in Chicago in 74 and unfortunately instramental in my saying yes to my regional director who asked me specifically if Dave should be rehired. Sorry.... I said yes. He came to Chicago from Milwaukee where his inlaws lived and I assume he moved to. I am sure the test he took was some kind of employment or skills test during his time laid off from the ministry in Milwaukee. It seems so anyway. Dave has in hindsite found deep meaning in this test and I suspect embellished the results.

The idea he was untestable in some area is ridiculous.

CONTINUE.....

DennisCDiehl said...

I suspect I have been "tested" beyond that which Dave could imagine or ever permit.

It was the best of times, It was the worst of times....

Nine Days for depression in a Charter Hospital can do that for you. I'll spare you the details and me the memories, but after both the IQ test and a deeply personal comprehensive personality profile that only a medical doctor and trained psychologist could go over with me was complete, they said to me....

"Dennis, I suppose you realize and according to these tests you are very very intelligent..."

First good news I'd heard in awhile since I was not doing so well under my recent church move to the South , WCG issues and not a little residual anger etc, The Dr said...

"That pleases you doesn't it....?"

"Well...yes it does...It is embarassing to be here and I am emotionally and mentally exhausted "

I just walked into an medical and psychologist ambush....and I'll pass this on to Dave

"Well Den...It is no big honor to be the smartest guy in a mental health facility. Can we help you now?"

Ugh, got me ...I smirked, smiled and then laughed a bit I'm sure and he said, "Now do you want to hear the rest?"

I said yes..."Yes...and be kind."

It was both humiliating and liberating. He did remind me that EVERYONE would have a profile after these tests and to take it in a positive way. It was meant to restore those willing to see themselves to wholeness. And he also said that few ever would just agree to be tested in this depth to learn so much about themselves as in, the good and the less good.

KNOW THYSELF DAVE. Any psychiatrist or psychologist reading your self centered and self praising screeds would probably be a bit alarmed for your congregation. My gift evidently is being able to see clearly where A,B and C can lead to. You screw up as some crazy minister leading a flock into perdition and end up on the news, you'll be tested against you will and professionally . And no one will tell you that you are untestable. They got tests!

I'll probably regret sharing this but between the absolute chaos and turmoil working for WCG kept me in for years mentally and experiencing the ill effects of the kind of religion I had fallen for from professionals who know how it all works, it was well worth it. I still had enough time to reclaim my life though the price was high and messy. I went back for a few more years of WCG if you can imagine that thinking it would all get better. It didn't and that Dark Night of The Soul thing was part II they had failed to notify me was yet ahead.

That counselor told me, and to sum up quickly, "Dennis, you outgrow your boxes quickly. You have only two choices. You can get back in the box you just came out of, WCG/Ministry/Church etc, and everyone will love you...and you will be on anti depressants the rest of your life because inside you will be angry and miserable but can never again speak of it or the price from now on will be too high. OR..you can leave the box, which you already have done....but you go alone."

Now that was prophet.

Fool me once, shame on you.... Fool me twice, shame on me." and all that.

True Bread said...

once again....Connie for the win....!!!

Pack reminds me of Kurtz from Apocalypse Now...."the horror....the horror..."

Sweetblood777 said...

How does one know when Dave is lying? Simple. He opens his mouth. Dave stands out as the liar of liars. Dave has created for himself his own little world. In Dave's world he is the king, that out speaks, out talks, out shines everyone. No one can do it any better than Dave.

I think that Dave must hum to himself the James Bond tune, ..'no body does it better...' And all this while, he thinks that he is fooling everyone. To determine whether Dave is sane or not, just try reading one of his 75 sermons. The logic and flow is like playing snakes and ladders. The man reads over simple understandable scriptures that plainly show its meaning, but yet he jumps to some other scripture that has very little to do with the main one, and tries to get your mind to accept this other meaning.

Anonymous said...

Dave should don a spandex superhero outfit and call himself Untestable man.
It's it a plane, it's a bird, no it's Untestableman.
Able to leap tall buildings in single bound, faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, it's Untestableman.

Maggie said...

Bottom line, Dave is mentally ill. It's just a fact. He is unmedicated, uncounseled and living with active mental illness.

Anonymous said...

This sounds like the battery of tests given by the Johnson O'Connor Research Foundation.

True Bread said...

Super Dave in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nADJFmwoUIY

Byker Bob said...

Untestes, one, two.....

Retired Prof said...

Dave proudly claims the tests showed, "I have almost a unique ability…I’ve been tested, brethren…my ability to see things that are not real—but an ability," and "“Sir, you are so far out there, you’re untestable.”

Sounds as if he's trying to put a positive spin on the diagnosis that he is delusional. As Dennis pointed out, he's not actually untestable. Probably the psychologists phrased it (or Dave rephrased it) to soften the conclusion that he is incurable.

Possibly The Painful Truth is correct in saying, "Seems once again he is subconsciously trying to warn everyone that he is going into meltdown mode. Not a joke." It almost tempts one not to pity the people who have fallen into his clutches, the way they ignore his own warnings that he is a dangerous crackpot.

Monnie said...

I shared a study room with Dave my freshman year at AC Pasadena, and thought at the time he was an insufferably arrogant egomaniac. The other egomaniac there was Bernie Schnippert, but Pack won that contest hands down. But I never would have imagined his narcissism would lead him to start his own personality cult.