Saturday, June 1, 2019

Radio Church of God and NXVIM - One Woman's Journey Through Them Both

There is a fascinating article out today about the personality cult NXVIM and how it lured so many women into it.  Even more fascinating is to read that a former radio Church of God member jumped from one cult into another.  The article details how easy it is and how frequent people who leave high controlling groups will easily be attracted to another group.  You can easily see why when people left Herbert Armstrong, they were easily duped by the Flurry, Meredith, Pack, Weinland, Thiel, Malm and others.
                 
                    
Teah Banks was born into an evangelical Christian sect called the Radio Church of God. Founded in the 1930s by an advertising sales representative turned minister, the insular group promoted an ultra-fundamentalist reading of the Old Testament, eschewing divorce, premarital sex and even wearing makeup. “It was a super closed religion,” Banks, now 42, remembers. “We had pictures of the leader in our home. We worshipped him like he was a god.”
Although Banks started having questions about the group, she attended services until her 20s, when she was expelled from the organization. In 2004, she and her then-boyfriend, a filmmaker named Mark Vicente (best known for the documentary What the Bleep Do We Know?), were approached by two women who wanted Vicente to make films for their organization, NXIVM, which taught a curriculum called the Executive Success Program, or ESP. The two women (one of whom was NXIVM co-founder Nancy Salzman) raved about their leader, a mathematician, scientist, judo champion and concert-level pianist who had patented a unique method of hacking the human brain. The man’s name, the women said, was Keith Raniere.
Banks and Vicente’s interest was piqued, and they agreed to join the women for lunch; when Salzman successfully used ESP methods to “cure” Banks of her lifelong lactose intolerance, she was even more intrigued. “I’m just like, wow, this is amazing. This woman is amazing,” she says. “And I said, ‘Nancy, I want to be one of your people.'” Blown away by the women and by ESP in general, Banks encouraged Vicente to take a NXIVM intensive; eventually, he bought an apartment in New York to be closer to group headquarters in Albany. She was involved with the group until 2005, when the two broke up, though she continued taking courses remotely for years afterward. Vicente, who eventually became a member of the NXIVM executive board, was involved with the group until 2017.
At the time she joined NXIVM, Banks had just left one large organization with an enigmatic leader at the helm. Vicente, too, had also just extricated himself from a similarly insular fringe spiritual organization: the Ramtha School of Enlightenment, a group led by a New Age figure named JZ Knight, who claimed to be channeling a 35,000-year-old warrior deity named Ramtha. But even though they were both disillusioned with spiritual organizations, NXIVM struck them as different. “The first day you’re there, they’re like, ‘We’re not a cult. Cult is a bad word. It is used loosely,'” Banks said. “‘[We’re] a success school. We’re helping you raise your ethics.'” 
At this point, everyone knows the rest of the story: in March 2018, Raniere and five of his NXIVM cohorts, including Salzman, were arrested on such charges as sex trafficking, racketeering and conspiracy to commit forced labor. Raniere is currently standing trial in Brooklyn, where his former supporters (including Vicente) have testified that he, among other things, imprisoned a woman for nearly two years, convinced his followers that he controlled technology and the weather, and ran DOS, a secret all-female organization of “slaves” who were branded with his initials and told to have sex with him. 
Later in the article, there is this: 


Because cultic studies is a relatively under-researched field (unsurprisingly, cults themselves are resistant to outsiders conducting research on their practices), there isn’t much data attesting to exactly how prevalent “cult-hopping” is. But anecdotally, Eichel says, the practice is common, in part because those who are kicked out of a cult or excommunicated are looking for another organization to fill the void. Most cults, including NXIVM, teach adherents that they are wholly responsible for their own actions, which creates feelings of extreme self-doubt and anguish when they’e cut off from their support system. “That leaves [them] vulnerable to another group to say, ‘Well no, you’re in the wrong group, this is the right group,'” Eichel says.
Those who leave cults on their own – which Eichel says constitutes the “vast majority” of cult members — most often do so because they’ve had a bad experience with the group, perhaps observing something that violates their own ethics, or inconsistencies between the leader’s behavior and his teachings. But contrary to what you might expect, from the perspective of a former cult member, having one bad experience with a cult does not necessarily reflect on cult-like organizations as a whole. Eichel compares it to how most people would feel after they visit a bad dentist: sure, the experience of being poked and prodded by a poorly trained practitioner might make us slightly more wary of dentistry in general, but it certainly won’t stop anyone from hopping on Yelp and trying to find another, better dentist.

Read the rest of this fascinating story here:   Rolling Stone Magazine: How People Leave One Cult — and End Up in Another

15 comments:

Anonymous said...



We had pictures of our leader at home and worshipped him like a god.

A bit extreme; even for WCG.

Tonto said...

Life is uncertain, and there is a very human tendency to want to have a guru, or someone that seems to "have a handle on things" or even profess to know the future or the "pathway".

Resist the need to "join" anything. Avail yourself of books or the like, glean what you can, and do not get into a relationship dance with anything or anyone. Be your own leader, and be "still and know God" as is stated in the Psalms.

Byker Bob said...

We’ve witnessed this continuing susceptibility here, not only from the first person testimony of some of our fellow bloggers who actually joined other cults (splinter-surfing included), but also by those who are blown like wheat in the wind by every conspiracy theory that they ever hear which bears any resemblance to Armstrongism.

Back in 1975, as the Armstrong prophecy mold proved to be a pack of bizarre lies, i watched some very close friends join the Church of Scientology, some aquaintances get into sacred names, and others take part in the first dissident splinters as they attempted to find continued identity through some sort of structured group which would act as replacement for the WCG. Personally, I chose to avoid organized groups, because of all the control, damage, and set-back such groups cause to one’s personal journey. The human spirit thrives under freedom guided when guided by a very basic moral and ethical code. There will always be those who are attracted to a restrictive layer of arbitrary authority which goes beyond that. Such structure seems to provide security that all non-risk takers seem to need. Obviously, a certain percentage of the general population will be susceptible, while another percentage will attempt to exploit them. It’s all part of the human ecology system. Good news is that we get to choose which part of that ecology system to make our own.

BB

SHT said...

"We had pictures of our leader at home and worshipped him like a god.

A bit extreme; even for WCG."

What a lot of the more balanced to even liberal members (some lifelong) in the Church do not recognize (or seem to wish to admit) is that there was a subset of hard-line extremism within the Church that did exactly that, and more. This was the subset where some of the most damaged individuals came from; those who suffer from the strongest repercussions from the Armstrong movement, because they were enforced first by the Church and then doubled on like a vice grip from their parents. I'm not sure of the exact numbers as far as how many of these sub-set extremists were in the Church, but I assure you, they were large in number and a good part of the Church.

What happened that is fascinating is this: That all of the subsets operated as one in the main Church scene. Where we all were yes-men and in agreement was at Church, during services, where we "appeared" to be united in thought. After services, the liberal members went to their liberal household (I knew some of these), the moderates to the moderate household, and the extremist hardliners to the extremist hardliner households. Even though all of us were impacted - some severely, even in the more liberal camps - by armstrongism, the most intense damage happened with the hardliners. It's also the hardliners that tend to be either the most difficult to extract from the religion - or swing farthest in another direction in a state of pure flight - once discovering the truth of their movement.

Anonymous said...

A sense of belonging, access to secret knowledge, learning power and control, and a sense of entitlement are the snares of a cult. Many people desire those things. They are not necessarily wrong, but to get them all from one source could be a sign of laziness of the seeker or the 'mark' of a con. Armstrongism is fascinating, Scientology even more so. NXIVM is fascinating too and could be a tip of an iceberg, similar to the Choi Soon-sil scandal of South Korea.

DBP

Anonymous said...

I knew quite a few people who had HWA and GTA's pictures in their homes, nicely framed.

DennisCDiehl said...

What the Bleep Do We Know was awesome. Filmed here in Portland. Was part of my transition into open minded out of the church box thinking.

DennisCDiehl said...

If you can't abide watching the whole thing, go ahead to the one hour part and consider the memory of water aspect. Then ask yourself if too much wallowing in the negativity of the past, as one often does here and in many other areas and topics, is hurting you. If we are 90% water in our make up and thoughts affect the water either positively or negatively, then what eats you can literally eat you. Thus a word of caution on lifetime animosity and negativity about any experience where one can't leave it alone or is the victim mentality. Just a thought.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6G3-Zc9mtM

Anonymous said...

The article stating that cults "teach adherents that they are wholly responsible for their own actions.." is misleading. The core definition of a cult is a organisation that robs its members of their natural rights to a significant degree.
These groups do hold their members accountable for their actions, but their freedom of action has been greatly narrowed.

Al Dexter said...

Getting loose from cultic thinking isn't easy and afflicts a majority of Americans, or close to a majority. Some of the nations our ancestors fled, ostensibly for freedom but more often than not with the hope of imposing their rigid orthodoxy on others, have left us in the dust in getting free of the curse of religious blindness. It took decades for me to shake off the last vestiges of that thinking. I can't blame myself. The culture I was born into made me a sitting duck for all the con artists armed to the teeth with something far more lethal than a shotgun. My last dumb foray, now over a couple of decades past, was a foray into Neale Donald Walsch's conversations with god nonsense.

Al Dexter said...

Scientology is a study in cultic techniques in and of itself. They tried to get me after I toured their facility in Hollywood under the invitation of a customer just out of curiosity. I signed up for their introductory "communications" course and frustrated the hell out of them by going when I jolly well felt like it and taking about two months to finish. They never could master me at "bull baiting," and several other ornery things I did weren't appreciated by them. I wanted my certificate of completion but it soon became apparent that I couldn't get it unless I signed up for the next course. I stated that to the guy and he concurred, to which I sternly said "No!" I don't think he'd gotten very "clear" yet because his only way to "confront" was to stare at me speechless. I excused myself and left and finally got free of their constant come-on mailings by moving to Phoenix and not leaving a forwarding address.

Anonymous said...

An excellent documentary on the UFO religious cult of Scientology is "Going Clear" (2015) www.imdb.com/title/tt4257858. The Sea Org, the billion year contracts people sign with them, the extraterrestrial story of Xenu (which is taught only to advanced members) is just insane imo. How people can get believe science fiction tosh like scientology is beyond me.

nck said...

5:47

Those are actually profound insights that summarize my entire body of work here at banned.

So what kept me in longer than necessary was the armstrong emphasis on education to solve all problems.

Today the extreme cult of PC seems to have taken over american institutions of education as a reaction to the former new england ivy league BI cult.

Cults seem to thrive in the extreme and the fringe. As a moderate I do not consider my 23 year stint at wcg as cultish although others may do so through their parents or own acquired culture and then blame the extremes on the cult.

The Inquisition knew what they tried to protect the uneducated laypeople from by hiding the bible from them. Unfortunately others admonished "to blow the dust of their bibles" and so we did.

Those folowing jim jones, scientology or manson are just plain stupid OR damaged individuals finding solace in the extremes.

So yes. What is the culture that damaged them in the first place? One cannot answer that question if you believe that Virginia Beach shooting is something that could happen all over western civilisation and is just a sum of a good weapon and a bad person. Than it becomes impossible to solve the riddle and connect the dots from within the box. The key dots to complete the picture are out of the self created box of culture, patriotism, nationalism, mysonigy, racism, "founding principles".

"Its the environment stupid" and the way we humans are part of it and interact with it.

Any reason to eat or abstain from pork, worship, violence, believe, rationalize should be grounded in that "golden rule". So we have legitimate desires but our damaged souls prevent us from acquiring solutions, or not, if we mend them.

Nck

Nck

Anonymous said...

SHT - your defining hardliners as man worshippers. You cannot use such a broad brush.
Many sold their soul to the WCG company store. But humans are complex, esp WCG.

nck said...

3:36

I believe that the victims of the fringe "man worshippers" in the church comprise most of the contributors on this blog. It is they who are selling the extremes as regular practice. (which it was in their upbringing and local church area)

The more moderate "normal" worshippers simply moved on to other pastures or with their lives, which is the vast majority of at least 80 percent. The crazy 10 percent or even less perhaps 5 percent can be found within the two major fringe split offs in wadsworth, edmond and what I hear on this blog LCG also (although Meredith had some 20 years to place his personal mark on that group.)

The other 15 percent also moved on from the man and seem to mirror what in the past what we would call laodicea but what to my definition would constitute "christians folk that have waited very long".

nck