tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post1189331731010417141..comments2024-03-28T11:27:04.027-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Kennewick Man Wonders......NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-51362670114391916912020-08-30T13:37:55.708-07:002020-08-30T13:37:55.708-07:00"... Gbekli Tepe - dating is indirect..."..."... Gbekli Tepe - dating is indirect..."<br /><br />This is incorrect. Here's a link showing what was dated and what it dated to. Maybe carbon dating s wrong but they did date several items including plaster (I have no idea how that works). The flint style types found do match up with the carbon dating.<br /><br />https://www.dainst.blog/the-tepe-telegrams/2016/06/22/how-old-ist-it-dating-gobekli-tepe/Samnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-13145681761439246002018-03-21T18:30:43.905-07:002018-03-21T18:30:43.905-07:00The left is all for diversity of opinion. Unless ...The left is all for diversity of opinion. Unless you disagree with them. Then they are anti-free speech and pro-PC. They love tolerance too, but they only tolerate people on the left. They hate you and misrepresent you if you expose their lies. But they own all the media including the cuckservatives at Fox. <br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-32621934286421896572018-03-21T18:19:37.007-07:002018-03-21T18:19:37.007-07:00"Seriously? You think this is an accurate art..."Seriously? You think this is an accurate article? It is not."<br /><br />Did he say it was accurate? <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-31600746824320927942018-03-15T16:05:48.174-07:002018-03-15T16:05:48.174-07:00Back in the old forum days of about 15 years ago, ...Back in the old forum days of about 15 years ago, we were hoping for some good diversity, so we’d have additional perspectives from some of our brothers and sisters whom the doctrines had not so subtly<br />marginalized. Seeing humanity as an ecosystem with everyone filling a very much needed function works out best in terms of sharing ideas and experiences. It’s been some years, but finally we have diversity, and it’s working! <br /><br />Unfortunately, we’ve also gotten a lesson as to why “hard right” doesn’t work. Hard right does not place everyone on equal footing, in fact, it attempts to remarginalize. We’ve got an Adolf problem. Adolf is not our spokesman, and does not represent the majority of opinions here. I certainly hope the sheer ugliness of his worldview does not run anyone off! Most of us worked very hard to promote the same diversity here that we know most of the old WCG congregations had in major cities. Only this time we get to do it right! Let’s not let one anonymous Adam-Henry urinate in our punch bowl! <br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-51966462569790074842018-03-15T11:50:48.911-07:002018-03-15T11:50:48.911-07:00BB
I get it. We were blinding ourselves by our ow...BB<br /><br />I get it. We were blinding ourselves by our own light, so to speak.<br /><br />One of the few questions I have left in regard of our former affiliation is what the attraction was for some really educated people. <br /><br />Even now, I know of people at the forefront of knowledge and scientific research, dwarving most of us with their iq, being slaves in the worst of cults.<br /><br />The common denominator between most members past and present seems to have been a disturbed relationship with "father figures" and hwa/current leader serving as some kind of substitute.<br /><br />It was that way for Magda Goebbels too. A sad woman, wanting most of live, having affairs at one time with the founders of Israel and then making the wrong bet.<br /><br />I still stand by my expansion of the inception of armstrongism within a greater context of "fundamentalism" in the 1920's as a reaction to Darwinism, making the first chapters of "the autobiography" a fascinating read from that wider context.<br /><br />On the Balkans I was flipping channels and saw jimmy swaggert after a long time. I wondered how he was salvaged or the other fools/wizzards/snake oil salesmen on that channel for that matter.<br /><br />Ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-84071863318682089462018-03-15T07:45:27.334-07:002018-03-15T07:45:27.334-07:00NOTOHWA:
Has comment moderation really been enabl...NOTOHWA:<br /><br />Has comment moderation really been enabled?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487906691943831671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-77125094857258081732018-03-15T07:44:30.779-07:002018-03-15T07:44:30.779-07:00NOTOHWA:
"She probably got her degree throug...NOTOHWA:<br /><br />"She probably got her degree through some kind of affirmative action program for radicals. Or maybe she did her professor some favors, like Monica did, and Bill's other girlfriends." -- Anonymous 4:25<br /><br />How do you justify publishing this kind of puerile nonsense? I believe moderation implies there are some standards that have to be met. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487906691943831671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-79858543320285369202018-03-15T07:40:16.154-07:002018-03-15T07:40:16.154-07:00Cognac Willie:
As soon as I can locate the articl...Cognac Willie:<br /><br />As soon as I can locate the article in my stack, I will post the citation here - so check back. It was published by the Journal of the American Scientific Affiliation. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487906691943831671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-2532374395682072262018-03-15T07:39:38.289-07:002018-03-15T07:39:38.289-07:00Maybe in your house it’s ridiculous to liken Armst...Maybe in your house it’s ridiculous to liken Armstrongism with people not accessing scientific knowledge, nck. And, as you say, Armstrongism offered many proofs, and not just limited to encroaching Darwinism. The problem is, the supposed proofs all turned out to be shallow and wrong, and very valid sciences were ignored, or ridiculed and rejected. Armstrongism was also very selfish, and mostly defended and promoted itself, and not the greater faith community. We were all basically secessionists from society, self-imposed oddballs and pariahs enabling and financially supporting the teachings and phenomenal ego of one tyrannical man. It was a total bust, with far more negatives tipping the scale than positives. Much recovery is required in the aftermath. There is nothing of any value to be salvaged, with the exception of “won’t get fooled again”.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-62939922058428997652018-03-14T23:51:22.827-07:002018-03-14T23:51:22.827-07:00BB
It is ridiculous to liken Armstrongism with pe...BB<br /><br />It is ridiculous to liken Armstrongism with people not accessing scientific knowledge.<br /><br />One cannot fault a 19th century man for citing 19th century sources.<br /><br />Armstrongism was extremely enlightened for offering solutions (like the gap theory) for religion to survive, while the DELUGE of Darwinism covered the entire world and sciences.<br /><br />I am not saying that is a bad thing. I am saying that "fundamentalism" in the 1920's was a reaction to the all prevailing Darwinism creeping into all philosophy. It is also the overall tone of the first chapters of "the Autobiography". It was a war between religion and Darwinism. (not science perse) but the belief that "God was dead."<br /><br />Armstrongims offered many solutions (and "proof") for those not wanting to let go of their "dead God".<br /><br />ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-17157578271875127232018-03-14T23:43:51.492-07:002018-03-14T23:43:51.492-07:00I don't think anyone with any authority on the...I don't think anyone with any authority on the subject has found evidence of a global flood or the residu thereof.<br /><br />There is however numerous proof of localized floods. <br />One of the sources of many localized floods was of course the melting of the icecaps.<br /><br />Only at crossroads like the "Pas de Calais", "the pillars of hercules" (entrance of the mediterenean), "bosporus" (entrance of the black sea), or the even the Tigris Delta this may have caused violent breakthroughs at times.<br /><br />Up to the breakthroughs peoples may have witnessed many "Niagara Falls" and slowly rising waters in areas previously occupied or serving as landbridges between Germany and England or France and Southern England, peoples following rivers, for meat, like the combined Rhine/Thames river which is actually the same river.<br /><br />Now what is my point. Waters have risen slowly, (Helgoland=Atlantis?) making entire or occupied territories disappear (Black Sea) etc.<br /><br />If in the future a holy book will describe the occurences at Hiroshima, Nagasaki or Fukushiuma, as "the destruction of men, because of their sins and arrogance" I would learn valuable spiritual lessons, which have a scientific base in all sciences. <br /><br />Now, did in fact people survive the carnage at Hiroshima, Nagasaki Fukushima, of course they did. At least 50% and more in Fukushyma. Were the disasters prevented by mankind. NO. Did the disasters occur through sheer arrogance of mankind. YES it did. (Japanese are just examples of mankind no racial slur intended)<br /><br />I think that rising waters at the Tigris Delta, for which there is proof, wiped away civilisation. It must have looked as if these waters, "were rising from the earth", and global climate change might have also incurred heavy rainfall.<br /><br />Did they feel invincible in their powerfull cities. Yes they did, pretty much as invincible as the European powers felt just before WorldWar One occured and everything changed.<br />Now that is something worthy to record through oral tradition into the written.<br /><br />nck<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-34089535791794370082018-03-14T23:11:20.598-07:002018-03-14T23:11:20.598-07:00We can clearly see, with some of the attitudes and...We can clearly see, with some of the attitudes and misunderstandings expressed above towards science how some people manage to remain convinced of their Armstrongism. Is there any hope? Probably not through facts. Ironically, that well has already been poisoned for people who have been convinced that they are the ultimate seekers (and finders) of truth. However, two things these folks can’t deny are the continued failure of the Armstrong prophecy mold, and the ways in which the splinter leaders are evolving the movement towards themselves, and to augment their own power, and gradually away from many of the specifics established by the man who created Armstrongism, HWA. Failure, and basic evolution. Those are the factors which will ultimately end the Armstrong problem. Oh, and death. Upon our deaths, we all become gnostic. Or not.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-50477769834394072702018-03-14T19:45:52.468-07:002018-03-14T19:45:52.468-07:00I did report on carbon dating as a student. As 7.0...I did report on carbon dating as a student. As 7.03 AM points out, historically veritable dates only go back to about 5000 BC and then hit a wall. Carbon dating is reasonable accurate within this time frame, but its accuracy outside of this is unknown. A reminder that carbon dating has assumptions such as the suns activity being constant, and no massive dumping of carbon into the atmosphere. Since these assumptions cannot be proven, claims of items being hundreds of thousands years old should be treated with a grain of salt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-63291946060624893102018-03-14T17:38:31.408-07:002018-03-14T17:38:31.408-07:00NEO, could you provide me with a link to a copy of...NEO, could you provide me with a link to a copy of the article you reference? I've done extensive field study on the possibility of a global flood, and the evidence is definitely not there. The Hebrew in Genesis also allows for a limited local flood. As a published scientist (and that certainly did not come from my AC years) living in the 4 Corners region, I have examined the geologic record firsthand for decades. Predictably, the cogs continue to closed- mindedly cling to the discredited "Genesis Flood" book as proof of the flood when error is shown to them.Cognac Willienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-46890146092565133352018-03-14T17:28:06.507-07:002018-03-14T17:28:06.507-07:00[There is no dearth of archaeological artifacts fr...[There is no dearth of archaeological artifacts from the period 4500 BC through 6000 BC that would be compatible with the idea of global destruction.]<br /><br />How about the entire genetic makeup of European civilizations being completely changed out 4500 years ago? <br /><br />https://www.livescience.com/28954-ancient-europeans-mysteriously-vanished.html<br /><br />[The findings, detailed today (April 23) in the journal Nature Communications, were drawn from several skeletons unearthed in central Europe that were up to 7,500 years old.<br /><br />"What is intriguing is that the genetic markers of this first pan-European culture, which was clearly very successful, were then suddenly replaced around 4,500 years ago, and we don't know why," said study co-author Alan Cooper, of the University of Adelaide Australian Center for Ancient DNA, in a statement. "Something major happened, and the hunt is now on to find out what that was." ....... about 5,000 to 4,000 years ago, the genetic profile changes radically, suggesting that some mysterious event led to a huge turnover in the population that made up Europe.]<br /><br />Dating of archaeological artifacts is not precise during the period of 4500-6000 years ago. Lets not pretend a precision that doesn't exist. Often archaeologists are working from fragments of bone or bits of items they think were fashioned by people. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-89963495795955311332018-03-14T16:29:26.246-07:002018-03-14T16:29:26.246-07:00"... the New York finger ... "
That..."... the New York finger ... "<br /><br />That's what you can expect from a New Yorker. <br /> <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-64765833217721235772018-03-14T16:29:10.120-07:002018-03-14T16:29:10.120-07:00Yes,12:47, but being carbon based is not how the l...Yes,12:47, but being carbon based is not how the life forms got the isotope, when they stopped getting the isotope, and when the residual isotope began losing its radioactivity so that a timeline based on a current measurement of that radioactivity could be established. It’s so much more than just looking for some carbon! <br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-50226655171584623092018-03-14T16:25:44.538-07:002018-03-14T16:25:44.538-07:00"I have an article written by a Ph.D. geologi..."I have an article written by a Ph.D. geologist ... She did an analysis ...." <br /> <br />She probably got her degree through some kind of affirmative action program for radicals. Or maybe she did her professor some favors, like Monica did, and Bill's other girlfriends. <br /> <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-2255731981317754432018-03-14T16:10:13.776-07:002018-03-14T16:10:13.776-07:00I don't think anyone on here knows jack about ...I don't think anyone on here knows jack about radio carbon dating. Just a bunch of wanna-be scholars. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-80710522334787888822018-03-14T16:06:57.380-07:002018-03-14T16:06:57.380-07:00At this point, the troll should show up and remind...At this point, the troll should show up and remind me that I am "genetically challenged"<br /><br />Look up the IQ map and decide that for yourself. Of course, it will only give averages. But why put words in somebody else's mouth? It's stupid. Or, perhaps it is integrity challenged. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-26053942808986700502018-03-14T16:02:30.668-07:002018-03-14T16:02:30.668-07:00Einstein copied everything, even his wild hairdoo....Einstein copied everything, even his wild hairdoo. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-89201683246092955402018-03-14T15:10:03.300-07:002018-03-14T15:10:03.300-07:00Anonymous 9:44 wrote:
"Someone mentioned tha...Anonymous 9:44 wrote:<br /><br />"Someone mentioned that my argument for 4500 years leaves Adam and offspring as allegedly "illiterate" with no evidence of civilization going back 6000 years. But the bible says a global flood completely destroyed early civilizations..."<br /><br />Archaeological evidence does not support this idea. There is no dearth of archaeological artifacts from the period 4500 BC through 6000 BC that would be compatible with the idea of global destruction. If there had been writing, it would have survived in some format - and probably did - we just haven't found it yet. <br /> <br />Herman Hoeh, to quote an authority that you would believe, did not believe that there was much evidence of a global flood. He told us in an assembly in the Field House that he had been to a flood zone some months after the disaster had occured, viewed it from an aircraft, and could really see no significant damage. Herman himself would argue that any writing would be discoverable. <br /><br />I have another reason as to why Hoeh cannot find evidence of a global flood - there was none. There was a local flood that struck the area where the Clans of Adam were living. It was a disaster for a relatively confined and small population. <br /><br />I have an article written by a Ph.D. geologist who taught at the University of New Mexico. She did an analysis of the Hebrew language associated with the flood and demonstrated its ambiguity. Eretz can meanboth earth or homeland. She was able to roughly identify the boundaries of the small area where the flood occurred - somewhere around the Tigris - Euphrates flood plain. <br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487906691943831671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-43007963317573883652018-03-14T15:01:53.858-07:002018-03-14T15:01:53.858-07:00Numbersman Seattle. Lets tour the Scablands! The ...Numbersman Seattle. Lets tour the Scablands! The Carolina Bays may be the result if ice splatter from comet hitting ice sheet above Michigan leading to Younger Dryas as melt water flowed out the St Lawrence and cut off the Gulf Stream for awhileDennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17266112796114131485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-17899943179397530862018-03-14T14:29:33.435-07:002018-03-14T14:29:33.435-07:00The Svablands are awesome and just east of me. Wil...The Svablands are awesome and just east of me. Will go to dry falls this summer. Grew up around ice gouged fingerlakes in NYDennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17266112796114131485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-82467405528592644492018-03-14T12:55:48.140-07:002018-03-14T12:55:48.140-07:009:44 I'd recommend you read more about what is...9:44 I'd recommend you read more about what is now known about the ice age and the younger dryas period about 13,600 years ago. The physical record clearly shows that at the Last Glacial Maximum there where ice sheets over the north american and european continent that were 1 to 2 miles thick. The Younger Dryas period was when the world was suddenly thrust back into the ice age for 1000 years the result of a comet strike epicentered in north america.<br /><br />Evidence for modern humans goes as far back as 40,000 to 100,000 years. The world wide flood myths were from the sudden and catastrophic melting of the ice caps after the comet impact. Just look at the Washington Scab-lands, the New York finger lakes, etc for evidence you can see with your own eyes.<br /><br />We are a species with amnesia primarily a direct result of the catastrophic comet strike 13,600 years ago. The bible says there were people prior to the flood, and Genesis gives no timeline for how long prior. The timelines were added by other authors and frankly conflict with each other-- think not? just compare the two geneologies for Jesus.<br />Numbersman-Seattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17454489886215830574noreply@blogger.com