tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post1397010783866587774..comments2024-03-28T01:13:52.631-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Journalist Covering Dave Pack's Grand Opening Fails To Report The Facts In Akron Beacon JournalNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-62186805949193771052013-06-25T13:12:18.672-07:002013-06-25T13:12:18.672-07:00Anonymous said...
The pic of that building!
...<i> Anonymous said...<br /><br /> The pic of that building!<br /> Hollywood Squares?!<br /> Tic-Tac-Toe Museum?<br /> LegoBlock architecture?</i><br /><br />It's the Davy Bunch!<br /><br />Here's the story of a man named Davey...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-48390739532527772602013-06-24T17:19:56.972-07:002013-06-24T17:19:56.972-07:00The pic of that building!
Hollywood Squares?!
Ti...The pic of that building! <br />Hollywood Squares?! <br />Tic-Tac-Toe Museum? <br />LegoBlock architecture?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-36321639665606395222013-06-23T13:06:00.599-07:002013-06-23T13:06:00.599-07:00"My name is Davymandias, King of Kings:
Look..."My name is Davymandias, King of Kings:<br /> Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"<br /><br />Behold the power of Dave's almighty god! He managed to build a 40,000 square foot office building! Look upon it, ye Mighty, and despair! LOL<br /><br />"Nothing beside remains. Round the decay<br /> Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare<br /> The lone and level sands stretch far away."<br /><br />Behold the Ambassador Campus you're making a pale imitation of, how it is being plowed under to make way for upscale condos to be inhabited by wealthy godless people who never heard of HWA, know anything of the history of the land upon which they now celebrate birthdays, keep xmas, and pollute the Saturday. Soon Davymandias' campus too will be plowed under to make room for shitty motels that will become the roosting grounds for cheap prostitutes in a dystopian future Wadsworth. And the level sands will stretch far away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-34073795195708227412013-06-23T11:26:15.121-07:002013-06-23T11:26:15.121-07:00It's amazing how many facilities were develope...It's amazing how many facilities were developed around Pack's Property Line JUST for Dave, isn't it?<br /><br />There's a hair stylist place for keeping "television appearances". Of course it was developed, say it with me, JUST FOR DAVE.<br /><br />There's a Sports Store just across the road which undoubtedly has Speedos. Of course, it was developed, say it with me, JUST FOR DAVE.<br /><br />There's a Coffee Shop there too! So when Dave begins his morning of Preaching The Gospel To All Nations which Herbert Already Did, He can get his Morning Coffee. Unaware of their HUGE spot in prophetic history, that coffee shop was built, of course, say it with me, JUST FOR DAVE.<br /><br />Across the Street is a HUGE grocery store. Of course, it's there for the Feast of Tabernacles and was guided and leaded to be constructed right there, of course, JUST FOR DAVE.<br /><br />For Dave's Wardrobe, a Clothing store is also across the street for those Suits and ties. Of course, that too was built, JUST FOR DAVE. A shoe store is across the street too, of course, JUST FOR DAVE.<br /><br />Isn't it just INCREDIBLE how all these stores were built at the right time to serve Dave with EXACTLY what he needs? Even a home improvement store with everything needed for Landscaping! Ghastly! <br /><br />How Prophetic and What Proofs there are of How Everything is in place to service Dave Pack. These Stores are playing such an unprecedented Role in Bible Prophecy, supporting Every Need Possible For God's Work On Earth! BELIEVE THIS!....<br /><br />...NOT!!!!!!!!!!! This is satire, and no, Dave did not say this (surprisingly), but this is the kind of hyperbole you could expect to convince people of Dave's Place in World Religious history. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-23796587753308048322013-06-23T10:25:05.135-07:002013-06-23T10:25:05.135-07:00Pack has a look-at-ME-now attitude for real this w...Pack has a look-at-ME-now attitude for real this week.<br /><br />Glad to see that I'm not the only one looking and laughing.<br /><br />It's the funniest thing to watch, especially when he makes Flurry look like the sensible one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-71744343948545660002013-06-23T09:57:34.206-07:002013-06-23T09:57:34.206-07:00Pack could never do a helicopter flyover, without ...Pack could never do a helicopter flyover, without having the back lot of a supermarket (Giant Eagle) in the video chip.<br /><br />By this point, his followers are so heavily invested in Pack's interpretation of paradise, that they might as well buy the farm.<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-7400279534321021262013-06-23T08:39:32.651-07:002013-06-23T08:39:32.651-07:00It's obvious that Wadsworth has been conned.
...It's obvious that Wadsworth has been conned.<br /><br />Maybe they should look at what is happening to the Pasadena campus to see what their future might be.<br /><br />Might not be as rosy as they hope it will be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-50263807365635119082013-06-23T08:05:31.961-07:002013-06-23T08:05:31.961-07:00by invitation only???...hmmm, he's putting his...by invitation only???...hmmm, he's putting his tax exempt status in jepordy.....worship services must be open to the public if he want's to keep his tax exempt status........if someone shows up uninvited and he turns them away, and they file a complaint, Davy will be in trouble;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-58620326003180103512013-06-22T22:20:59.365-07:002013-06-22T22:20:59.365-07:00I send Ms Jenkins The Clarion Call expose by Exit ...I send Ms Jenkins The Clarion Call expose by Exit and Support Network and The Wacky World of Dave Pack from this blog. She at least should be entertained.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-70998500578467255132013-06-22T22:18:46.186-07:002013-06-22T22:18:46.186-07:00If you would like to have a chat, as I did, with C...If you would like to have a chat, as I did, with Collette Jenkins, the religion editor of the Akron Beacon Journal here is her email.<br /><br />cjenkins@thebeaconjournal.com<br /><br />I thought she might be interested in The Clarion Call to understand how funding is obtained from the membership and a better story behind the fluffy dedication story.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-2546021736286098622013-06-22T20:29:39.814-07:002013-06-22T20:29:39.814-07:00There are some additional misleading ways in which...There are some additional misleading ways in which to put a positive spin on a typical member's financial obligations in order to deceive outsiders.<br /><br />Let's say Joey Santini of Cleveland earns $60,000 per year. He's one of Dave's stalwarts, and by tightening his belt, eating less expensively, using coupons, driving a VW diesel Jetta, and clothing shopping in thrift stores, he actually does give about 40% of his income, including what they are commanded to save in second tithe. But, here is the kicker! His wife, Rosie, also a member of RCG, is a full time, stay at home, mom. So, in terms of<br />percentages, Joey is credited as having given 20%, and, via principles of community property, Rosie is credited as having given an equal 20%.<br /><br />If someone wanted to be completely honest with an outsider, they'd recite the picked and chosen figures HWA brought from the Old Covenant into his New Covenant. The reporter would be outraged, throw her hands into the air, and sigh, "This is a cult!"<br /><br />Remember, if the figure of 1700 members which we were given for Dave is accurate, and per capita income is $40,000 per year, then Dave could be raking in as much as 6 mil per year on first tithe alone. These Armstrong franchises are very lucrative!<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-65133298879327265892013-06-22T19:18:10.810-07:002013-06-22T19:18:10.810-07:00Ah, yes. They play fast and furiously with the nu...Ah, yes. They play fast and furiously with the numbers! I am sure that for the sake of seeming reasonable, they don't consider 2nd tithe as being given to the church. It's money they command you to save so that you can spend it on yourself on "God's Vacation Plan!"<br /><br />As for third tithe, 10% during the third and sixth years of a seven year cycle, 20% divided by 7 equals 2.86%, meaning that Dave is dezaggerating, or rounding down. He also must be categorizing the additional offerings which he guilt trips and shames people into giving as being completely voluntary, and unrelated to his supposed role as their gatekeeper for the Kingdom and the place of safety.<br /><br />More wonderful lying testimony! End justifies the means.<br />What a scam artist!<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-206458280876966492013-06-22T18:26:21.814-07:002013-06-22T18:26:21.814-07:00"He's building a mega church with a mini-..."<i>He's building a mega church with a mini-congregation</i>."<br /><br />Yeah, Dave's church is both not large enough to need such an HQ, but it is also not wealthy enough to afford it. Dave's ego is writing checks that his church eventually won't be able to cover. This campus is being built not for the members, but in tribute to the deity--Dave.Head Ushernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-24031725984370283932013-06-22T18:06:30.510-07:002013-06-22T18:06:30.510-07:00My first thought? SHAMEFUL!
My personal opinion?...My first thought? SHAMEFUL! <br /><br />My personal opinion? That's the rest of this comment: <br /><br />REALLY? 12.5% is what they give? REALLY?<br /><br />10% for first tithe to the church, sure. That's the first time. 2.5%? sure, that covers the offerings, I'm sure. <br /><br />But wait! What about the SECOND TITHE? That'a a mandatory WITHHOLDING of 10 additional percent! What about the tithe of the tithe? What about the THIRD TITHE? Isn't this misinformation and misleading -- unless of course, Dave is NOT following Armstrong to the tee? But wait. Notice how he said that. An AVERAGE. Get that word. AVERAGE of 12.5 percent. There's some smooth talking right there. That little word AVERAGE quite possibly changes everything! Some could be giving zero, some could be giving TONS. AVERAGE is the best way to avoid hard figures and make it look, well, shruggish. And what about maybe fundraisers, and building funds? wills? estates? and maybe more? <br /><br />What about the Clarion call and how much was given there? What about the message Isn't it written somewhere about for more SACRIFICE and more SACRIFICE? <br /><br />Let's be honest. A 450 person auditorium? 450???? EW!! That's just pathetic by any standards! Probably one of the smallest seating "Auditoriums" ever! Most local PROTESTANT congregations that have some degree of success hold much more people than THAT! For a national - no - WORLD headquarters, their auditorium is the size of an old WCG LOCAL - yes, LOCAL congregation in a mid size city? Seriously? I've seen Auditoriums. Ambassador was/is an Auditorium, no matter how you size it or think about it. What Dave is planning on building? That's hardly even the size of a normal CHURCH, nonetheless an AUDITORIUM! I'd call that less then mini. It's the SMART CAR of auditoriums. Tiny, wimpy, and absolutely pathetic. He REALLY thinks Herbert Armstrong would be proud of something that puny? He'd dare show THAT off in his presence? Oh look, this is my smart car auditorium! I can hear Herbert now as I believe it would go... "That's your auditorium? DONT YOU DARE associate MY name with THAT."<br /><br />But the worst thing in this, to me, in my opinion: What appears to be Dave breaking his word about a post that would have a promised explanation of the exact time-frames of his "prophecy", supposedly to be discussed yesterday, for what appears to be a gloat-fest of his church properties. What's his priority? I think to me that it is quite obvious. <br /><br />Again, just my opinions here. I'm not impressed with a BIT of his "campus". It's nauseating. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-36755297879888393202013-06-22T17:46:31.341-07:002013-06-22T17:46:31.341-07:00I recently drove through Wadsworth and just down I...I recently drove through Wadsworth and just down Interstate 76 is a Mega Church that could hold all of Dave's buildings put together. It gave me perspective on Mr. Awesome. He's building a mega church with a mini-congregation<br /><br />M.T PewsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com