tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post1415344625270028041..comments2024-03-19T02:30:24.204-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Philadelphia Church of God Causes Another SuicideNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-35928276870321351592019-11-14T21:45:21.807-08:002019-11-14T21:45:21.807-08:00I’m about 95% sure this article refers to my cousi...I’m about 95% sure this article refers to my cousin. The details match up with what happened to him. He killed himself in April 2016 at 21 after being kicked out of the parents’ home on the order of the church and then went to live with the grandparents who either still are or had been a part of the COG (That’s not my side of the family, so I don’t know for sure). I can confirm that he was mentally ill (diagnosed by a doctor)....but the church doctrine toward manmade medicine had him terrified to take the stuff that was going to help him. I blame the church wholeheartedly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-41129079764847759682018-10-27T13:29:13.347-07:002018-10-27T13:29:13.347-07:00How can you use my brothers death to promote your ...How can you use my brothers death to promote your hate speech against a church you don't agree with? I'm not even in the pcg, and I don't agree with anything said above. You don't know the whole story, most of the details aren't even right. Shame on you. Remove this post or get your facts right. How dare you use my brothers death and our pain to further your agenda. You don't even know the truth about the situation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-85992284751794981092016-05-29T14:07:25.221-07:002016-05-29T14:07:25.221-07:00Who committed suicide? Has that been said yet? I t...Who committed suicide? Has that been said yet? I tried looking in the comments but I didn't see it or missed it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-67716623071198794602016-05-19T14:39:14.065-07:002016-05-19T14:39:14.065-07:00First off, I grew up in the PCG, and as a child of...First off, I grew up in the PCG, and as a child of a minister was very close with the HQ congregation. I am HIGHLY offended at how some of you choose to speak about Ramona, her body, the "nature" of her massages, etc. She is a wonderful lady and a beautiful soul. Even if I am excommunicated now and none of them speak to me, that doesn't mean I am going to say untrue dirty things about specific members who have done nothing wrong but believe what they've been raised to believe. Also, I went to every PYC I was eligible for. It is not "dangerous" and no one gets hurt, save sports accidents or heat exhaustion one can get from any youth sport or activity in that hot of weather. I think the PCG is dead wrong, but I don't have to make up lies and insinuations about happy endings and demon possesion to plead my case. The things the ministry do that can be proven: taking obscene amounts of money from members and spending it on buildings and themselves, breaking up families, fear mongering, spying on members, etc is BAD ENOUGH-why add stupid gossipy lies on top of it? Grow up and let's start a revolution with actual information and TRUTH!Bonnie Smythenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-84949084650628294452016-05-16T07:49:03.085-07:002016-05-16T07:49:03.085-07:00@buttblasted Anon on May 14, 2016 at 4:45 PM
See ...@buttblasted Anon on May 14, 2016 at 4:45 PM<br /><br />See thing thing here is that you're defending your angst against one organization that YOU chose to stay in for so long - deception or not you could have walked out the door at any time. <br />You're choosing to stay locked in the past and point out every teensey tiny little flaw in their methodology all because you're angry that you made a conscious decision to follow along with their ploy.<br />Call me what you want, call my choice of recreational activities stupid but just remember that you're the one sitting on an anonymous website posting about how you think contact sports are somehow bad while simultaneously quoting from a book you claim to disagree with. <br /><br />I constantly have wondered over the years since I have left why so many of you people have turned to the HARD LEFT after leaving the COGs.<br /><br />Years ago on this site and on exit support network I used to see good discussion, and good intentions. Now all i see is:<br /><br />>I hope X gets hurt and sees his family suffer because I'm a vindictive child and I can't let go of the past<br />>I hope they are all humiliated in the wost way possible hahaha I'm so fucking smart because I left a COG!<br />>I hope one of their children dies from a disease so they can see how stupid they are!!<br /><br />There is no discussion anymore, there is no discourse and there is now only mal-contented adults screaming at the same thing while somehow remaining in the same mindset as they were before.<br /><br />Byker bob you're 100% correct about your assumptions that parents have. and having been at those camps for a number of years I can tell you that the injuries don't stem from harsh treatment of the teens - it's more that the kids are so seditary in their lives before going to camp that they can't hack a simple 400m jog a few times a day.<br /><br />Most of the parents I knew in the ACOGs who sent their kids to the summer camps KNEW that there would be intense physical activity - they even send the forms out and have you get physicals to make sure your child is indeed prepared for elevated levels of activity in hot weather.<br /><br />They may be negligent in some respects but then again - they are only human and they never claim to be perfect - so people must give credit where credit is due and that's all I seek out of these discussions.<br /><br />I've been to other summer camps which were far more intense such as Camp Olympia, I suffered a serious case of heat stroke after a long hike and was cleared later that day. Other kids broke bones, twisted ankles and were knocked out with rough play.<br /><br />You can't hope to shield people from the harsh realities of life - injuries happen, mistakes are made.<br /><br />Don't pin it all on those providing the service - pin it on those who are ignorant enough to continue down that path despite their judgement being that it's not right or not safe enough.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-43377132950638502182016-05-15T12:47:44.421-07:002016-05-15T12:47:44.421-07:00Let's get a little balance here. What makes ...Let's get a little balance here. What makes these summer camps different from secular or mainstream Christian camps?<br /><br />One is the way in which the medical profession is regarded. What happens if a camper swims or canoes in water where microbes are present, and comes down with flu-like symptoms? What if a camper is bitten by a rattlesnake? Unnecessary fatalities could occur at the PCG camps because of superstitions against the medical profession.<br /><br />In many ways, Armstrongism has not changed. Handicaps were never properly acknowledged or dealt with. In the '60s, at SEP, an asthmatic who tried desperately to keep up during morning jogging suffered an attack. The counsellor came back to see what was wrong, and commanded the camper to stop wheezing and keep up, or receive swats later. An asthma inhaler was out of the question, as that violated the church's anti-medicine doctrines.<br /><br />Personally, I enjoyed SEP because discipline there was vastly relaxed as compared to what I experienced at home, and there were a lot of fun activities that I certainly would not have been able to experience at home, like water skiing, archery, horseback riding, canoeing, and fishing. But, you also must at least allow for the possibility that since these camps are being run by organizations known to be toxic and abusive, with some campers being more equal than others (ministers' kids) it is likely that extra bad things may happen that are not anticipated by the campers themselves or their parents.<br /><br />Also, over the years, parents with problem children have sent their kids off to camp expecting it to be some sort of reform school, kind of the modern equivalent of turning your children over to the priests in the Old Testament. But we must remember above all things that this PCG is the ACOG that counsels parents to leave their special needs children at the mall.<br /><br />Some kids will probably have a great time, and others may end up being toughened up. But, members should certainly be aware of the dangers, as well. If these places were coded for danger, ACOG camps would probably be coded orange, or red.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-28497442489773978882016-05-14T16:45:04.214-07:002016-05-14T16:45:04.214-07:00Anonymous brain-damaged ranter on May 14, 2016 at ...<br /><i>Anonymous brain-damaged ranter on May 14, 2016 at 7:19 AM said... <br /><br />“What kind of politically correct ninny bullshit is that. Sure the cult does some horrible things to sway peoples minds but you have to be sooooooo fucking delusional to think that injuries happen ONLY at PYC camp. Holy shit you're dumb.<br />I played football for 4 years in HS and sustained multiple injuries and the coaches constantly told me to walk it off. Played more contact sports in college than you've probably had good nights of sleep.”<br /><br />“This site has been informative and helpful but don't shit it up with your hyperbole and logical fallacies.”</i><br /><br /><br />Nobody said that injuries happen ONLY at PYC camps. That is your own hyperbole and logical fallacy that probably resulted from the brain damage that you sustained as a result of choosing to waste your life playing worthless and violent games. If you are really stupid, try boxing.<br /><br />In HWA's booklet called <i>The Seven Laws of Success</i>, under the subheading of The Basic Third Law, he wrote that, “The all-important law coming next in time order is GOOD HEALTH.” The WCG under HWA also had a booklet called <i>Principles of Healthful Living</i>. On top of other factors that affect your health such as the type of food in your diet, sufficient sleep, exercise, emotions, and sexual activity, is the important matter of avoiding accidents and bodily injuries. Many people get messed up for life or even killed needlessly in various accidents.<br /><br />Parents are right to be concerned about their children's safety everywhere, including at PCG summer camps, and about whether their daughters will come home from the PCG summer camps pregnant. Numerous injuries and pregnancies have been known to happen at PCG summer camps.<br /><br />Some senseless morons shorten their lifespans by playing useless games like football and getting their heads banged up. Then they rant and cuss and criticize other people for not being as stupid as themselves. Unholy dung they're so stupid!<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-27250257411605869162016-05-14T07:19:16.198-07:002016-05-14T07:19:16.198-07:00>"Sure wonder how many poor kids will be i...>"Sure wonder how many poor kids will be injured and badly hurt this camp"<br /><br />What kind of politically correct ninny bullshit is that. Sure the cult does some horrible things to sway peoples minds but you have to be sooooooo fucking delusional to think that injuries happen ONLY at PYC camp. Holy shit you're dumb.<br />I played football for 4 years in HS and sustained multiple injuries and the coaches constantly told me to walk it off. Played more contact sports in college than you've probably had good nights of sleep. <br /><br />Sure, rag on them for misleading people, rag on them for going a bit overboard with their restrictions but don't you forget for one split second that if you choose to stay in that organization then it's on YOU - if you choose to go to their college or send your kid to their camp then it's on YOU! Just like if you choose to snort Columbian Coke or drink and drive it's YOUR fault and not anyone else.<br /><br />This site has been informative and helpful but don't shit it up with your hyperbole and logical fallacies.<br /><br />You people here are starting to piss me off almost as much as the ACOGs because you're turning into two sides of the same coin - people spouting bullshit out of their mouths to justify their decisions in life. <br /><br />rant/over.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-37618737929248370472016-05-13T19:32:55.500-07:002016-05-13T19:32:55.500-07:00The PCG teens are all a buzz tonight at HQs and va...The PCG teens are all a buzz tonight at HQs and various congregations. It seems that all the PYC (Philadelphia Youth Camp) acceptance letters have been received! Several teens from HQs have been accepted to the PYC in Edstone England and they're beside themselves. Sure wonder how many poor kids will be injured and badly hurt this camp, happens every year and the ministry threaten the parents to keep their mouths shut! But us locals hear it all and it's very disturbing!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-3249445166642212952016-05-11T15:04:52.713-07:002016-05-11T15:04:52.713-07:00This church is so sick - the elite don't even ...This church is so sick - the elite don't even know how to show love to another human being. Even animals demonstrate grief and sadness when they lose a love one. So sorry for the people who have endured such treatment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-49114629046362721182016-05-11T04:49:07.251-07:002016-05-11T04:49:07.251-07:00Sure hope the family doesn't try and have the ...Sure hope the family doesn't try and have the funeral on the Sabbath, that just is not allowed in the PCG! One firm rule they hold is: No weddings on the Sabbath, no Funerals on the Sabbath. A few years ago a lady was praised at services because she still attended even though her husband died that morning. Turgeon said, "let the dead bury the dead". What the hell was that supposed to mean!<br />Before Gods House was built and unconverted mate died in the doorway of the John Amos Field House on opening night of the Feast. The ambulance hauled him away and the new widow stayed for services. She was praised from the pulpit for letting her light shine and for being a witnes to her heathen family.<br />I just remembered sitting there wondering how her family was thinking any of that when they just lost their dad, brother, son, etc.<br />Good grief!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-48738002310436595422016-05-10T13:55:52.936-07:002016-05-10T13:55:52.936-07:00Okay, if you have knowledge of that you should be ...Okay, if you have knowledge of that you should be telling law enforcement, not us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-47486340744734092472016-05-09T17:19:40.175-07:002016-05-09T17:19:40.175-07:00Are we talking about Ramona L.? I don't want t...Are we talking about Ramona L.? I don't want to use her full name. She was a good friend of mine back when I was around HQ. I'm also surprised that they are allowing single ladies to give out massages. Private room or out in the open?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-39221827515399163932016-05-09T11:44:56.924-07:002016-05-09T11:44:56.924-07:00Ramona has got quite the body. I've been on th...Ramona has got quite the body. I've been on the receiving end of quite a few of her "massages." That girls hands are quite strong. Shame she's stuck in that cult. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-91236726956552163852016-05-09T11:25:57.135-07:002016-05-09T11:25:57.135-07:00People who commit suicide are not mentally ill, th...People who commit suicide are not mentally ill, they are soul sick. No amount of "exorcism" can cast away the sadness or utter despair, and I do not know of one minister in any of the COG's who is qualified to counsel a person that is so far down. What they should be doing is sending these poor people to a professional, but they are frankly too afraid of what may be said behind therapist's doors. Also, not touching on the other kind of suicide, the slower kind, alcoholism and drug abuse. No one will open those cans of worms either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-27397891257655096002016-05-09T10:34:45.466-07:002016-05-09T10:34:45.466-07:00DennisCDiehl...
“As a member? Why on earth are y...<br /><i>DennisCDiehl...<br /><br />“As a member? Why on earth are you still a member?”</i><br /><br /><br />Remember that PCG members have had many years of their lives wasted being indoctrinated with Gerald Flurry's satanic lies, which they have been tricked and fooled into carelessly and mistakenly assuming were taught by HWA. Like a mushroom, PCG members have been kept in the dark and fed manure. These ignorant PCG members who thought that they were so brave and courageous for not going along with the Tkach Apostasy are now cowering in fear of That False Prophet that they made the mistake of following. The PCG is all that they know since they personally chose to cut themselves off from everything else. PCG members live in fear of the Great Tribulation and the Lake of Fire, though it does not seem to occur to them that that is where following That False Prophet will lead them. If they leave the PCG, all their fake PCG “friends” will instantly abandon them, and even their own crazy PCG family members will go berserk and cut off all contact with them for fear that Flurry will expel them too if they do not. This is how a <b>SATANIC TRAP</b> like the PCG works.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-65985473083303111482016-05-09T09:52:54.426-07:002016-05-09T09:52:54.426-07:00Anonymous on May 9, 2016 at 5:42 AM said...
“The ...<i>Anonymous on May 9, 2016 at 5:42 AM said...<br /><br />“The local members hate a little newspaper called "OK Jailbirds" because you can often find members mugshots. When Turgeon was confronted about a sex offender, he replied that the person had repented and we were to NEVER bring it up.”</i><br /><br /><br />Wayne Turgeon should tell the PCG sex perverts that THEY need to TRULY REPENT and NEVER DO IT AGAIN.<br /><br />The problem is that the sex perverts who are attracted to the PCG do not seem to really repent at all, and continue to prey on other people. Other people are expected to keep quiet about the bad bahavior of the sex perverts, and are even expected to go out with the sex perverts and help them out with their latest plans. Trying to politely avoid the sex perverts and politely declining to go along with their schemes will actually incur the wrath of the local leaders. Of course, the local leaders do not sacrifice <i>their own</i> children to the sex perverts. The local leaders specialize in handing over <i>other people's</i> children to the sex perverts, and expel the victims if they refuse this “help.”<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-57537454406902623952016-05-09T08:35:23.962-07:002016-05-09T08:35:23.962-07:00I try to root out sin, too. All I was saying is t...I try to root out sin, too. All I was saying is that some of the people whom most would look down upon may be learning more than we realize. Obviously it would be far better if people didn't have to fight the physical and psychological effects of such things as past drug addiction for the rest of their lives. There are things which weaken us in life, and things which strengthen us. I try to do the things which strengthen. It would be foolish to take any analogy or allegory to extreme. The holodeck only works if it is a guided process.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-35911385675764343532016-05-09T06:40:54.531-07:002016-05-09T06:40:54.531-07:00BB I don't agree on the holodeck analogy, or o...BB I don't agree on the holodeck analogy, or only with many qualifications. Life is real, and life is very precious. God instructs people to avoid sin, rather than learning the hard way. I can't help noticing that the people who appeared to be failing as Christians, whilst a church goer, were the ones who had through sin, had twisted their minds the most. The more evil people are, the lower the success rate. It pays to as much as possible, believe God and avoid sin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-1661617098708638242016-05-09T05:42:21.834-07:002016-05-09T05:42:21.834-07:00Yes, the PCG has their own personal hairdresser, m...Yes, the PCG has their own personal hairdresser, masseuse, mechanic, cooks, construction workers, health practitioners, etc. ever since Mr. Flurry passed out on stage a few years ago he's had a local named Ramona giving him regular massages. And yes, the irony is there. Several have already commented about him marrying her, you know, there's just something about a gal named Ramona.<br />The local members hate a little newspaper called "OK Jailbirds" because you can often find members mugshots.<br />When Turgeon was confronted about a sex offender, he replied that the person had repented and we were to NEVER bring it up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-26839086801862363132016-05-09T01:54:52.634-07:002016-05-09T01:54:52.634-07:00Am I mentally ill if I become depressed and unhapp...Am I mentally ill if I become depressed and unhappy because my parents seem to express they don't love me anymore. Am I mentally ill because they kicked me out of the house and it weighed so heavily on me I had negative thoughts of suicide because they no longer cared for or wanted me. My parents don't love or want me, they even told me to get out, I am overwhelmed with hurt and the pain of rejection, sinking further and further into myself the hurt is overpowering me knowing my own mom and dad don't love me. I can no longer handle it, goodbye. And they call it mentally ill.<br /><br />It may have been different if he was a bad kid or done wrong and knew he was wrong but that doesn't seem to be the case, how sad how horribly sad.Chucklesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-27294169878173979302016-05-08T18:20:14.842-07:002016-05-08T18:20:14.842-07:00If there is a God, I think he would be a utilitari...If there is a God, I think he would be a utilitarian.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-45732136961347922112016-05-08T14:37:57.735-07:002016-05-08T14:37:57.735-07:00Right on, DBP. Only seeker types have room in the...Right on, DBP. Only seeker types have room in their boxes. Seekers test and retest. <br /><br />I've heard that Unitarians believe that all paths are paths of discovery which ultimately lead back to God. In other words, the crack whore is learning life's lessons just as much as the young student in seminary. Just a different path. One learns through excesses as well as through deprivation. Riches or poverty. Love or hate. We all get to see and experience the consequences of our actions, and the actions of others, while here on the "holodeck". That is more CoG than any of the ACOGs.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-65531069655796533982016-05-08T13:15:28.559-07:002016-05-08T13:15:28.559-07:00Oddly. Dmoffett, the most pronounced case of that ...Oddly. Dmoffett, the most pronounced case of that I've ever seen was a man I worked next to for years. He always did it in midsentence... right where someone with a stutter would start having tics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-53300457378452669032016-05-08T12:03:02.212-07:002016-05-08T12:03:02.212-07:00+1 BB
Cults like PCG try to get salvation through ...+1 BB<br />Cults like PCG try to get salvation through authority, controlling others, entitlements, and their need to fight with others over their beliefs. There is no room inside their box. They will only hear the challenges to their beliefs. <br />It's not about authority, it is about learning and succeeding through our experiences. Could that be the true church of god? <br /><br />DBPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com