tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post155561701942965002..comments2024-03-28T22:34:16.707-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Why God Does Not Answer Prayers?NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger78125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-18090278612307032342016-09-09T22:54:03.533-07:002016-09-09T22:54:03.533-07:00Well said. Questeruk is talking rubbishWell said. Questeruk is talking rubbishAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-21213571475594716222016-02-09T15:37:45.919-08:002016-02-09T15:37:45.919-08:00858 PM We are no longer uneducated Shepherds who...858 PM We are no longer uneducated Shepherds who cannot understand science. I believe our minds can comprehend what it means for God to have exited forever. That is, if He ever choses to reveal it to others. He is entitled to His privacy, so He may never do so. It gives Him an aura of mystery.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-87102591229450581112016-02-07T20:30:57.684-08:002016-02-07T20:30:57.684-08:00Ralph,
The work of tracing the origins of populat...Ralph,<br /><br />The work of tracing the origins of populations in Europe and the British Isles is being undertaken in many projects, with many investigators involved. New findings are turning up all the time. So it will be a while before the work is done, but the rough outlines are pretty well sketched out. No single source can answer all the relevant questions. You can find many useful sources with the key words "genetic history of Europe" and "genetic history of the British Isles." <br /><br /><br />Retired Profnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-67216260439851269262016-02-07T11:50:44.761-08:002016-02-07T11:50:44.761-08:00on February 7, 2016 at 5:22 AM
Questeruk said..
...on February 7, 2016 at 5:22 AM<br /> Questeruk said..<br /><br />"Just depends if 'time' is something God created (seeing God created all things), or if time is an attribute of God, and therefore has always existed."<br /><br />In view of this scripture:- <br />"Col 1:16 <b>For by him were all things created,</b> that are in heaven, and that are in earth, <b>visible and invisible,</b> whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: <b>all things were created by him, and for him:</b>"<br /><br />I take it that this includes <i>(invisible)</i> time.<br /><br />cheers<br />ralph.fRalphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-8239723709032440392016-02-07T11:50:21.980-08:002016-02-07T11:50:21.980-08:00on February 7, 2016 at 5:22 AM
Questeruk said..
...on February 7, 2016 at 5:22 AM<br /> Questeruk said..<br /><br />"Just depends if 'time' is something God created (seeing God created all things), or if time is an attribute of God, and therefore has always existed."<br /><br />In view of this scripture:- <br />"Col 1:16 <b>For by him were all things created,</b> that are in heaven, and that are in earth, <b>visible and invisible,</b> whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: <b>all things were created by him, and for him:</b>"<br /><br />I take it that this includes <i>(invisible)</i> time.<br /><br />cheers<br />ralph.fRalphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-68471993208877529162016-02-07T11:41:22.120-08:002016-02-07T11:41:22.120-08:00on February 6, 2016 at 12:33
Retired Prof said......on February 6, 2016 at 12:33 <br />Retired Prof said...<br /><br /> "Scientists who studied DNA in populations across the world were <b>trying to understand how our ancestors spread across the planet.</b> Probably very few were even aware of BI. The fact that their results showed the BI theory to be wrong was a side effect, not their goal."<br /><br />It would be interesting to know:-<br />1. If they were able to determine the antecedents of the B/I nations such as the USA, Britain, France, Denmark etc.<br />2. The original locations of such nations.<br /><br />Or has that already been done?<br /><br />cheers<br />ralph.fRalphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-15694855300772436742016-02-07T11:40:54.772-08:002016-02-07T11:40:54.772-08:00on February 6, 2016 at 12:33
Retired Prof said......on February 6, 2016 at 12:33 <br />Retired Prof said...<br /><br /> "Scientists who studied DNA in populations across the world were <b>trying to understand how our ancestors spread across the planet.</b> Probably very few were even aware of BI. The fact that their results showed the BI theory to be wrong was a side effect, not their goal."<br /><br />It would be interesting to know:-<br />1. If they were able to determine the antecedents of the B/I nations such as the USA, Britain, France, Denmark etc.<br />2. The original locations of such nations.<br /><br />Or has that already been done?<br /><br />cheers<br />ralph.fRalphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-39622689751365388372016-02-07T05:22:31.859-08:002016-02-07T05:22:31.859-08:00Ralph said...
"My simple understanding is th...Ralph said...<br /><br />"My simple understanding is that Yehovah created ALL things, including time. How "things" were before that is beyond my comprehension and to me it doesn't really matter."<br /><br />Just depends if 'time' is something God created (seeing God created all things), or if time is an attribute of God, and therefore has always existed.<br /><br />Certainly in the Bible, God appears to 'live sequentially', i.e. within the framework of time, and looking on into the future, the Bible seems to indicate that will continue on into an eternity. Questerukhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06659962107808147107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-84380923979429855532016-02-06T21:33:55.777-08:002016-02-06T21:33:55.777-08:00on February 5, 2016 at 12:12 PM
Anonymous said...
...on February 5, 2016 at 12:12 PM<br />Anonymous said...<br /><br />"What I find particularly nutty (though somewhat expected), is your crazytalk assertion that scientists who have debunked British Israelism have done so in order to debunk "the existence of Yehovah"<br /><br />Can you tell me, what percentage of so called "scientists" believe in the existence of Yehovah, our Creator?<br /><br />cheers<br />ralph.f<br /><br />Trust In Jehovah<br />“ For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, <br />but against principalities, against powers, <br />against the rulers of the darkness of this world, <br />against spiritual wickedness in high places.” [Eph:6.12]Ralphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-75239212571901877202016-02-06T21:26:06.079-08:002016-02-06T21:26:06.079-08:00on February 5, 2016 at 12:12 PM
(like others have ...on February 5, 2016 at 12:12 PM<br />(like others have said, it would be useful if contributors would identify themselves)<br />Anonymous said... <br /><br />"It was so funny that Ralph said BI was too complicated for him to understand,...."<br /><br />What I said was " I just simply do not grasp the DNA "rejection" of so called 'British-Israelism'"<br /><br />And I ask, should one accept what one doesn't understand? eg. so called DNA science? You don't understand British/Israelism!! Do you accept it??? Obviously the answer is no. That is your right. Just as it is my right to accept it regardless of what others say and/or publish.<br /><br />cheers<br />ralph.fRalphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-35705671976828655802016-02-06T20:58:34.728-08:002016-02-06T20:58:34.728-08:00on February 5, 2016 at 1:47 AM
Anonymous said...
...on February 5, 2016 at 1:47 AM<br />Anonymous said...<br /><br />"Ralph, God always existing (so He claims) strongly implies that time goes back into infinity.<br />Your "Who said "time goes back to infinity"? says you don't agree. Would you like to articulate your belief on this matter."<br /><br />My simple understanding is that Yehovah created ALL things, including time. How "things" were before that is beyond my comprehension and to me it doesn't really matter. See:- "Psa 139:6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it."<br /><br />cheers<br />ralph.fRalphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-63190962493326053602016-02-06T12:33:11.163-08:002016-02-06T12:33:11.163-08:00Scientists who studied DNA in populations across t...Scientists who studied DNA in populations across the world were trying to understand how our ancestors spread across the planet. Probably very few were even aware of BI. The fact that their results showed the BI theory to be wrong was a side effect, not their goal. It was up to people such as Black Ops Mikey and others with deep doubts about BI to notice the research results and apply them as added evidence that such an obviously implausible idea was in fact not consistent with reality. <br /><br />Make note: It is a bad idea to proclaim you understand the motives of people you have not psychoanalyzed.Retired Profnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-11009733719140299092016-02-05T12:12:56.155-08:002016-02-05T12:12:56.155-08:00Hello Ralph,
You wrote, "You Anonymous (and...Hello Ralph, <br /><br />You wrote, <i>"You Anonymous (and I wonder who, and what, you are!) said...<br />"It was so funny that Ralph said BI was too complicated for him to understand,...."<br />Would you please reference, by time and date, where such comment appears?"</i><br /><br />Sure, Ralph. It was January 30, 2016 at 5:42 AM, and your exact words were-<br /><br /><i>"Many thanks for your discourse on the "science" of DNA and chromosomes. I mentioned I am not an academic and your discourse seems to be directed to one who is. Words such as 'mitochondrial', 'recombinatory', 'clades','haplogroups' and others are beyond my immediate comprehension and need deciphering through my Merriam-Webster dictionary. I just simply do not grasp the DNA "rejection" of so called 'British-Israelism' and am content to continue with my long held belief."</i><br /><br />Perhaps you should consider that those are your own words, before suggesting I seek serious personal counseling.<br /><br />Also please, consider Byker Bob's reply, that <i>"That site you linked to, Ralph, is what is known as an "apologetics" site, as opposed to a scientific site."</i><br /><br />What I find particularly nutty (though somewhat expected), is your crazytalk assertion that scientists who have debunked British Israelism have done so in order to debunk "the existence of Yehovah"<br /> <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-34398495391138754832016-02-05T01:47:22.761-08:002016-02-05T01:47:22.761-08:00Ralph, God always existing (so He claims) strongl...Ralph, God always existing (so He claims) strongly implies that time goes back into infinity.<br />Your "Who said "time goes back to infinity"? says you don't agree. Would you like to articulate your belief on this matter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-55080638337614784512016-02-03T22:37:26.596-08:002016-02-03T22:37:26.596-08:00on February 2, 2016 at 11:44 AM
Anonymous (and I w...on February 2, 2016 at 11:44 AM<br />Anonymous (and I wonder who, and what, you are!) said...<br /><br />"It was so funny that Ralph said BI was too complicated for him to understand,...."<br /><br />Would you please reference, by time and date, where such comment appears?<br /><br />also:<br />""If time goes back into infinity, how can you ever get to the present?"<br />Who said "time goes back to infinity"?<br /><br />also:<br />"It's also entertaining to read TradingGuy's, Questeruk's, John's and Ralph's stupidity."<br />At least you're being 'entertained'. Well,..I guess that's something to be thankful for <b>LOL</b><br /><br />also:<br />"(I'm totally aware that tricky Armstrongite trolls like TradingGuy, Questeruk, John and Ralph all want to teach us their 'Armstrongist Truths'"<br />I'm not too sure about the teaching bit. I simply post comments to try and explain what I believe about a particular topic. Acceptance or otherwise is totally dependent upon the reader, ie. take it or leave it.<br /><br />also:<br />"PLEASE CALL THE "WAMBULANCE"!!"<br />I plead ignorance. What is a "WAMBULANCE"?<br /><br />also:<br />"Sick people with 'British Israelism' still on their brains after it being thoroughly scientifically debunked- like Questeruk and Ralph- need psychological help."<br />With all due respect, if you continue to have problems in relating to other human beings I suggest you should seek serious personal counseling.<br /><br />cheers<br />ralph.fRalphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-8041629148685329302016-02-02T13:06:15.006-08:002016-02-02T13:06:15.006-08:00You know Anonymous 11.44am as far as I recall this...You know Anonymous 11.44am as far as I recall this is the first time I have been called a troll on this board. And I go back many years here. <br /><br />You can always find me, as I always use the same byline - unlike various 'Anonymous' posters like yourself, who don't even add a byline ID to their Anonymous posting. <br /><br />You may have been posting for five minutes or five years - who knows? And who knows what you post, as there is no way to identify which is your post and which is someone else's Anonymous post. That's the mark of a troll. <br /><br />I don't know who TradingGuy, John or Ralph are - but at least they use an ID so you know who you are talking to.<br /><br />Definition of a troll ( http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/troll# )<br /><br /> 'A deliberately offensive or provocative online post.' Could you point out exactly what is deliberately offensive or provocative in my posting on this thread?<br /><br />You may not agree with it, but then isn't that the point of having comments. If everyone agreed, would there be any point in commenting?Questerukhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06659962107808147107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-3239846969931550872016-02-02T12:15:49.425-08:002016-02-02T12:15:49.425-08:00Hey guys, (Questeruk John and Ralph), looks like w...Hey guys, (Questeruk John and Ralph), looks like we are the four Musketeers. Ha, ha ha. Why don't the people here ask their ministers whether trade, as in the parable of the talents, is Gods way rather than the 'give way.' And ask who does the giving and who does the getting. I bet the ministers/elders wont be laughing.<br /><br />Cheers, TradingGuyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-65939842164991456342016-02-02T11:44:44.381-08:002016-02-02T11:44:44.381-08:00"If time goes back into infinity, how can you..."If time goes back into infinity, how can you ever get to the present?"<br /><br />By being here now, by virtue of all my previous generations?<br /><br />Is this a trick question?<br /><br />(I'm totally aware that tricky Armstrongite trolls like TradingGuy, Questeruk, John and Ralph all want to teach us their 'Armstrongist Truths' even though they falsely deny that their crazy-wacky views are 'Armstrongist'!)<br /><br />PLEASE CALL THE "WAMBULANCE"!!<br /><br />Sick people with 'British Israelism' still on their brains after it being thoroughly scientifically debunked- like Questeruk and Ralph- need psychological help.<br /><br />It was so funny that Ralph said BI was too complicated for him to understand, so he chose to still believe it!!!<br />That, along with his many positive comments about Herbert W. Armstrong combine to identify Ralph as a total Armstrongist troll.<br /><br />It's also entertaining to read TradingGuy's, Questeruk's, John's and Ralph's stupidity. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-29776747485535441792016-02-02T07:38:15.022-08:002016-02-02T07:38:15.022-08:00If God has always existed, means that time goes ba...If God has always existed, means that time goes back into infinity. If time goes back into infinity, how can you ever get to the present?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-13454396401816367242016-02-02T07:15:36.027-08:002016-02-02T07:15:36.027-08:00Response to AB, Jan 30 @ 9:31 AM
After having bee...Response to AB, Jan 30 @ 9:31 AM<br /><br />After having been involved with “religion” most of my 74 years of life, I began a personal study of the Bible about 11 years ago in order to attempt to gain a better understanding of what that book had to offer. Prior to that time I accepted what I was told because I had not proven what that book said. After having begun those studies and learning what the words meant rather than accepting the traditional teaching of my Baptist, Methodist and 35 years of ACOG background, I was told about 4 years ago to get my engineering brain out of the Bible. My response was something on the order of, “That will not happen, this universe and everything in it, including us, is an absolute engineering marvel and I want to understand as much about it as I can which includes why we are what we are without supposition and conjecture.” Whether or not the source I speak of has the “mental capabilities that human life seems to have developed” I can’t say. Each person must decide that for one’s self. However, “human life is the product of chemical and electrical forces” which are the result of the process of what has been created. The same goes for plant life and animal life, of which, we are all a part. All that exists is the product of the energy of chemical, electrical and mechanical forces or what we might call science. Those things are also referred to as the “Laws of Nature.” It is realized many reject science and engineering and remove such from their thought processes when discussing the Bible. Those things can and should not be rejected when searching for answers. <br /><br />As has been stated several times on this blog, the vast majority of the Bible should be considered as allegory, metaphor, parable or “dark sayings” as the Old Testament calls it. Those things have hidden meanings but those meanings are available if one wants to search and understand what they are. <br /><br />Homernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-47958485316773760092016-02-02T04:11:13.776-08:002016-02-02T04:11:13.776-08:00There is some logic to your logic, Michael.
The p...There is some logic to your logic, Michael.<br /><br />The problem is, neither you nor I can really understand what past eternity actually means! (If you can, please do explain it to all of us). <br /><br />I can understand life continuing on, and never ending, but, being a mortal, with a beginning, can't actually fully comprehend how a being could always have existed.<br /><br />I am not sure that you do actually run into problems with this logic. Just maybe that would explain past eternity - God was there and slowly accumulated knowledge. I don't see that is necessarily a problem. <br /><br />But seeing no human actually knows, your guess is as good as mine. <br /><br />Have to wait and see I guess.<br />Questerukhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06659962107808147107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-9114313469218128612016-02-01T23:29:27.401-08:002016-02-01T23:29:27.401-08:00Michael said:
"Logic therefore demands that a...Michael said:<br />"Logic therefore demands that as you go back, there was point in the past when he had no knowledge"<br /><br />Just for the sake of precision I should correct myself on that...<br />Logic would actually demand that there was a point in the past when he either had no knowledge or an infintesimally small amount of knowledge (compared to the present).<br />For example, at each point he could have had 10% less knowledge previously than after, so that it decreases in the past in an asymptotic manner...<br /><br />Explanation overkill :-)<br />Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-52049839535471525902016-02-01T22:39:48.917-08:002016-02-01T22:39:48.917-08:00Questeruk said:
"Maybe you are just thinking...Questeruk said:<br /><br />"Maybe you are just thinking of some sort of ‘magic’ god – that sees every single detail that will happen in the future, right through eternity."<br />The Bible shows something different. While God is the same yesterday and today in his character, it is also apparent from Biblical events that God is learning, and gaining experience as events transpire."<br /><br />Setting aside that fact that God is described as having perfect knowledge (all-knowing).<br />If we follow this through, Questeruk, you definitely run into problems.<br />If an eternal god is "learning, gaining experience as events transpire", then he always had less knowledge yesterday than he has today.<br /><br />Logic therefore demands that as you go back, there was point in the past when he had no knowledge.<br /><br />You can't have your infinite cake and eat it too. :-)<br />Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-83827326072048310372016-02-01T19:54:16.385-08:002016-02-01T19:54:16.385-08:001.25PM. Really? What of the many miracles of WW2? ...1.25PM. Really? What of the many miracles of WW2? Russia had the worst winter in 130 years which kept the Nazis 10 miles Moscow? Watch a documentary on the attempts on Hitler's life. All 20 odd attempts failed leading Hitler to correctly believe he was being protected by providence. The result was that Europe was divided in half, resulting in the implementation and discrediting of communism. How about America being provoked by 9-11, resulting in America invading the 'wrong' country of Iraq? This removal of its neighbouring enemy enabled Iran's rise to power. It is not subtle. No advance technology is required. It's in front of your nose. The miracles are there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-17042379511881075592016-02-01T15:30:26.857-08:002016-02-01T15:30:26.857-08:00Questeruk 3:52 PM commented with writing:
"....Questeruk 3:52 PM commented with writing:<br /><br />"...Please read my comment in the context of what it is referring to – such as my example ”Should I take this job, or that completely different job?” <br /><br />In that sort of situation, where the options are all something that is ‘morally OK’ to do, I am suggesting that God normally leaves it to the individual to make the choice, and to live by that decision, rather than either ‘push or drag’ the person down one particular option.<br /><br />That is much different to someone praying to God, asking should they sin or should they avoid sin, which most of your scripture quotes were referencing..."<br /><br />What you say there is probably true to some extent. After all, why should God care if you choose to eat a beef hotdog or choose to eat a beef hamburger...or, as you pointed out, what sort of a job might one desire; however, how good are those choices? Are they perfect? Probably not. What's in them choices? Probably some stuff that isn't all that good for us along with some "good" stuff. Depending upon what is in the product there is evil within each one. Which one has the most evil? Either way you may just be making a choice between two evils. Which one do you want? It is still a choice to have some evil, but we don't like to think about food we purchase that way. I personally like to eat both products, but I prefer the hamburger. My wife on the other hand thinks I shouldn't eat hot dogs, because of what she knows to be in the meat. And life goes on...<br /><br />And the verses I cited are still factors in our daily lives whether we do something that is "morally OK" to do, or not. As far as this entire creation is concerned we are told this:<br /><br />"For the creature was MADE subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope," Romans 8:20<br /><br />And that VANITY was not our choice. By what you wrote in your post, you understand human beings will "experience the effects of sin." Amen to that! <br /><br />You also wrote: "... God is doing things different for mankind. Mankind is born into a sinful world..."<br /><br />Adam and Eve were not born into a sinful world. In fact, their "human nature was very good...for awhile.<br /><br />"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." Genesis 1:31<br /><br />Mankind, Adam and Eve, were made on that 6th day and at that time they both were not only good, but "very good." They had none of that enmity (Romans 8:7) in them. They did not have that lust and envy (James 4:5) within them.<br /><br />Satan was made perfectly evil (Isaiah 45:7). It has been appointed for human beings once to die. Satan and his angels guarantee that sin (I John 3:8) will occur in each of our lives (e.g. in a Christian like Paul - Romans 7:17, 20), and so will death (Hebrews 2:14). Evil is always present with us (Romans 7:21), regardless of what job one may be thinking about, or what food we choose to eat...etc.<br /><br />Despite all of that, I too look forward to God's good news for the humanity of this world before He takes/destroys Satan and his angels (Matthew 25:41, 46; Ezekiel 28:19), namely:<br /><br />"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them;" 2 Corinthians 5:19<br /><br />John<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com