tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post1898363078663258797..comments2024-03-28T01:13:52.631-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Rod Meredith on False Prophets in the Church Today NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-30388363160999705252017-02-26T15:11:02.921-08:002017-02-26T15:11:02.921-08:00So glad Rod is focusing on the important things at...So glad Rod is focusing on the important things at the end of his cold, heartless life. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-67211966714188494192017-02-26T14:16:16.288-08:002017-02-26T14:16:16.288-08:00Well, Prof, in order to push their own view, they ...Well, Prof, in order to push their own view, they have to denigrate the other to a ridiculous measure. Like the very tired argument against "grace" that those who accept "grace" must be mostly crazed hedonists, which is not at all realistic.RSKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-49269624976426177242017-02-26T12:36:50.439-08:002017-02-26T12:36:50.439-08:00Anon comments at 5:18 is spot on. The works of the...Anon comments at 5:18 is spot on. The works of the flesh have become far too apparent in the Churches of God. It's not only confined to LCG but is rife amongst the rest of the splinter groups. If you display any fruit of the spirit your quickly outnumbered by the works of the flesh behaviour. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-64923585986880484072017-02-26T10:26:18.726-08:002017-02-26T10:26:18.726-08:00People choose to believe British Israelism because...People choose to believe British Israelism because it serves their purposes. For those people, you are just not going to disprove it, until they begin to doubt other of their premises, the premises for which BI is used to give credibility and support. It's all part of what I call their "wall", the insulating border with which they protect their world view. That is generally a combination of truth and error for most people, and some are not even conscious that they have such a wall. Some folks we know have allowed others to construct the wall.<br /><br />Having a wall is not necessarily a bad thing, but it works most effectively if it is self-constructed, and permeable to allow for adjustment and revision as greater facts and experience accumulate.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-59191196450195087462017-02-26T10:23:41.022-08:002017-02-26T10:23:41.022-08:00Black Opps,
Are you referring to the 10:46 comment...Black Opps,<br />Are you referring to the 10:46 comment.<br /><br />I like the comment, yes.<br />However, I ALWAYS sign my comments, so there's no need to guess.<br /><br />I don't know about "losers" though.<br /><br />The "Mitchell" guys I was talking to referred to fracking as "A gift from God." They did not seem to define it as "a technological breakthrough" or in terms of a shift in the energy paradigm, making the USA more autonomous and swing the balance of power back to the USA.<br /><br />nck<br /><br />nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-79776344401935977922017-02-26T10:07:15.387-08:002017-02-26T10:07:15.387-08:009:16, Byker Bob is right that you sound like a you...9:16, Byker Bob is right that you sound like a young-earth creationist. You assume those of us "who reject what HWA taught" lead "miserable lives" in which we "try to find meaning and purpose" through sexual immorality and environmental activism, so that we can justify what you seem to think is our main goal: "to act stupid." Very much the same point of view espoused by Ken Ham, of *Answers in Genesis.*<br /><br />It is odd that you claim to know, entirely without clinical (or for that matter, textual) evidence, why we adopt our positions. Yet you berate us because we "carelessly believe on faith." Hah! As pure an example of projection as one can find. You don't use evidence to arrive at your own conclusions, so you "carelessly believe on faith" that nobody else does either. <br /><br />Well now, if it is true that opinions based on blind faith are contemptible, then you need to heap scorn on your own. Retired Profnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-1414545160365786692017-02-26T09:27:42.526-08:002017-02-26T09:27:42.526-08:00Not particularly. Maybe you should read the full e...Not particularly. Maybe you should read the full evolution of BI literature over the time period you cite. "Our Israelitish Origin", for example. Allen (and later HWA) represent an exported version of the concept.RSKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-6825769851552253702017-02-26T07:14:01.284-08:002017-02-26T07:14:01.284-08:00"An obscure person named Richard Brothers who..."An obscure person named Richard Brothers who lived in England between 1757 to 1824 is credited with the origination of this farfetched fantasy. He was true to the form of religious fanatics and his movement was strikingly parallel with Joseph Smith and the Mormons. Richards was as eccentric as Smith was ignorant. There is a distinct similarity in the origination of these episodes, a resemblance in the characters of the men, and in the cues to their religious fictions, particularly in the purported saga of the ten tribes of Israel upon which the respective movements were founded. The religious lunacy of these men was about identical in degree, the difference being in the circumstances of Richard Brothers' commitment to an asylum and Joseph Smith to a jail. The dignity which the movement lost by this circumstance in connection with its originator was later regained by one Piazzi Smyth, a Scot astronomer, who evolved the British Israel theory by complicated mathematical calculations in some remote connection with the Great Pyramids upon which he based the claim that the throne of England is the throne of David, and the kings and queens of England Queen Victoria in 1800 and George VI in 1944— are of the royal lineage of David, and the British people, therefore, the real Israel today, which they claim descends not through Judah or the Jews but from the ten tribes. The true Israel, they claim, does not include Jews but are the Anglo Saxons. There are numerous adherents of this theory, in the main Britishers of the Anglican church. In America it was confined to the parts of the country named, Canada and the New England states, until its recent infiltration into the Pacific coast region, <b>which is due to the fact that California in particular is a sort of rallying ground for all of the fanatical sects from everywhere</b>. The Anglo-Israelists have made a significant showing along the coast from Vancouver, B. C., to San Diego, Calif., if their claims are true that they had upwards of fifty thousand adherents in these coast sections.<br /><br />"Their theoretical views are completely contrary to ethnological history bearing on the origin of the British people and the Anglo-Saxon race, the facts of which the Anglo-Israel authors have the bold audacity to dispute and deny. But their unhistorical claims are no more pretentious than their unscriptural interpretations are presumptuous."<br /><br />A refutation of a comment which appears to be from nck.<br /><br />"<b>which is due to the fact that California in particular is a sort of rallying ground for all of the fanatical sects from everywhere</b>"<br /><br />Which is obvious considering the Democrats.<br /><br />Some of us have NOT given up the war on British Israelism and we certainly haven't declared victory, although the Anglo Israelite proponents are clearly losers.<br /><br />Anyway, as proved elsewhere, British Israelism is all about the money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-41995521002424047772017-02-26T00:28:54.171-08:002017-02-26T00:28:54.171-08:009:16, you are just about as bad as the young earth...9:16, you are just about as bad as the young earthers! Real deep thinking there! Greenhouse gases are totally measurable scientifically. Glaciers really are undergoing accelerated meltdowns, and there are no residents of small islands who believe that global climate change is junk science. NASA has or had a special site devoted to climate change, although the Trump administration was looking at shutting it down.<br /><br />Also, as a Christian, I don't fit your stereotypes. I'm not out there getting immoral pussy. I have lived a chaste lifestyle for the past ten years. So disassemble your little strawman there, and use the components to make something with actual value!<br /><br />If you think that being a good steward of the environment, leaving a small carbon footprint, is acting stupid, then have at it. Biologists are forecasting that 50% of the animal species will not make it into the next century, and the oceans have already been decimated. I think you have been reading too many of Mark Armstrong's editorials. He seems to deal in the same simplistic disinformation that you so eagerly present.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-11852241292635580512017-02-25T23:14:55.603-08:002017-02-25T23:14:55.603-08:00And what's the solution to Rods 'doubt and...And what's the solution to Rods 'doubt and discouragement?' Why tyranny of course. No one speak their mind. No one question anything the church teaches. Everyone turn off their brains. It's true cause Herb, Rod and the church says so. And forget Gods 'prove all things' command.<br />Supposedly, this tyranny is the magic elixir to all of mankinds ills.<br />So when Christ and His gang finally rules, there will be this super tyranny, resulting in the perfect Borg utopia.<br />Technically, tyranny in the church is a complex, ie a multitude of inter related beliefs and behaviours that feed the central belief of tyranny. If you look it up, a complex is not a good thing.<br />According to my bible, it's a false idol and the Nicolaitan heresy which Christ hates.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-20874744441519248742017-02-25T22:46:37.884-08:002017-02-25T22:46:37.884-08:00During the nineteen hundreds, it was the 2 million...During the nineteen hundreds, it was the 2 million strong Anglican church's official doctrine that the British empire was Gods fulfilment in Genesis's of 'a nation and a company of nations.' Attributing this purely to J H Allen or Herbie is intellectually dishonest. And this was before America became the next super power. <br />A big, big, big coincidence, no? <br />All these posters here ignore the obvious, then claim it has been debunked. This is the old 'withdraw from the war and declare victory' thingy.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-76117877958706620552017-02-25T21:16:00.064-08:002017-02-25T21:16:00.064-08:00Byker Bob on February 25, 2017 at 12:12 PM said......<br /><i>Byker Bob on February 25, 2017 at 12:12 PM said...“Personally, I'm more concerned about global climate change. Just last week NASA recorded another huge breakoff from an Arctic glacial ice mass. Everyone in the ACOGs wants us to focus on the Armstrong prophecy mold, and wait for the world's clmate situation to be repaired in their millennium. Yet climate change is happening right now, while HWA's prophecies continue to fail. God never had anything to do with HWA/WCG. It was all a scam, and that is something that time has actually told any who listen. ”</i><br /><br /><br />People who reject what HWA taught sometimes go on to try to find meaning and purpose in their miserable lives by turning to neo-pagan religions like “man-made global warming,” which they carelessly believe on faith. Perhaps they like the fear element. Also, they get to be sexually immoral while pretending to be good guys and gals who are concerned about “saving the planet.” Furthermore, they get to preach ignorantly at other people and tell them what they are supposed to do about it. The “man-made global warming” scam gives jerks everything they need to act stupid.<br /><br />Watch <b>CLIMATE HUSTLE</b> – Full movie (1:18:32) at: <br /><br /><b>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuEdmV2Cabk</b><br /><br />Copy and paste this address into your browser.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-72954832594387444772017-02-25T18:35:02.259-08:002017-02-25T18:35:02.259-08:00Rod Meredith said, "By contrast, when a spiri...Rod Meredith said, "By contrast, when a spirit of doubt and discouragement is sown among God’s people, often over minor and disputed “technical points” of prophecy or chronology, the “fruit” is not good."<br /><br />MY COMMENT - WRONG! The "fruit" is actually good. The fruit is the dumb tithe slave sheep waking up and leaving Armstrongism to be free to pursue life, liberty and happiness without having the Church suck the financial life out of them. The booklet, "1975 in Prophecy", and "we have 3 to 5 more years left" stated in 1969 by the Rod of God are not minor and disputed “technical points” of prophecy or chronology.<br /><br />Richard<br />The Lake of Fire Church of GodLake of Fire Church of Godnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-39790081848937730492017-02-25T17:13:48.488-08:002017-02-25T17:13:48.488-08:00And unlike the self-appointed prophets we see so o...And unlike the self-appointed prophets we see so often, Mikey's prophecy has a 100% chance of being fulfilled, no strained etymologies or desperate calculations needed. <br />RSKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-8213862242955603702017-02-25T15:48:41.316-08:002017-02-25T15:48:41.316-08:00And RCM's post naturally attracted the attenti...And RCM's post naturally attracted the attention of Bob Thiel, whose 6+ thousand word response included something I hadn't noticed before:<br /><br /><i>Yes, Dr. Meredith is getting old and will die someday–but God may have kept him alive these past four plus years for him to see that the CCOG is the only COG this century that has had the type of growth he claimed showed God’s blessing.</i><br /><br />It reminds me of the claim that HWA was brought back to life (in 1977) to "put the church back on track".Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-33574638679577430392017-02-25T15:34:33.427-08:002017-02-25T15:34:33.427-08:00Black Ops Mikey,
You crack me up! You need a stag...Black Ops Mikey,<br />You crack me up! You need a stage and a microphone. Indeed, you have a gift.<br />Can't stop laughing.Gerald Bronkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01351342089409543119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-85826731943103919242017-02-25T14:32:04.795-08:002017-02-25T14:32:04.795-08:00Considering Anon 1031 is quoting USBIP's phras...Considering Anon 1031 is quoting USBIP's phrasing almost verbatim, and we already know that book's main premise to be untenable, that doesn't help the "loose marble" effect of said confirmations.RSKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-52407902483556772262017-02-25T14:04:55.161-08:002017-02-25T14:04:55.161-08:00"We have sent out—absolutely free—millions of..."We have sent out—absolutely free—millions of magazines and booklets"<br /><br />So did <i>Sears Roebuck</i>. That's how the old west got toilet paper.Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-9257322658427922462017-02-25T12:12:21.529-08:002017-02-25T12:12:21.529-08:00Well, you bring this up from time to time as if 1)...Well, you bring this up from time to time as if 1) it actually bothered me (it might have when I was a WCG teenager, believing that it meant that it would preempt my life) and 2) as if the Holy Spirit actually worked that way (He doesn't, but HWA broke away from COG-7, and all the splinters formed because of that same line of thinking).<br /><br />Alas, someone's got to call you on what you and I both know is your bullshit, because there may be some newbies or weak ones who take you seriously. There are some who are just destined to be fearful followers. Collectors find it easy to scarf them up.<br /><br />I'm certain that some of the people who author and place the ridiculous ads in The Journal lurk and post here, and there could be some who overdosed on acid back in the '60s as did Sid Barrett, Roky Erickson, Peter Green, or Brian Wilson. We've also had people get prominent amongst us who hear voices, think the CIA and FBI are after them, or have visions of demons flying out of a rupture at the bottom of the ocean under the Bermuda Triangle. And there are those for whom British Israel served as a gateway into horrible racism. <br /><br />Personally, I'm more concerned about global climate change. Just last week NASA recorded another huge breakoff from an Arctic glacial ice mass. Everyone in the ACOGs wants us to focus on the Armstrong prophecy mold, and wait for the world's clmate situation to be repaired in their millennium. Yet climate change is happening right now, while HWA's prophecies continue to fail. God never had anything to do with HWA/WCG. It was all a scam, and that is something that time has actually told any who listen. <br /><br />BB<br /><br />Byker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-5455165788847043682017-02-25T10:55:00.489-08:002017-02-25T10:55:00.489-08:00The only New Moon doctrine and practice I like is ...The only New Moon doctrine and practice I like is the one which has the Mars size Thea, smashing into the young earth a glancing blow, 4.5 billion years ago give or take a decade, and spewing part of the mantel off into space to congeal into the moon we see today. It's why earth and moon rocks are so similar. It also probably accounts for out 23.5 degree tilt. I worship the moon for this reason when it is full.DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-77381466201265982322017-02-25T10:31:57.632-08:002017-02-25T10:31:57.632-08:00BB
The holy spirit has confirmed to me (obviously ...BB<br />The holy spirit has confirmed to me (obviously not to you and some others) that America will be militarily defeated and enslaved. <br />At any rate, time will tell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-34684710645874537372017-02-25T09:53:43.561-08:002017-02-25T09:53:43.561-08:00There are no,"false profits" in the chur...There are no,"false profits" in the churches. They are enjoy, "real profits".Ednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-44514729983967128252017-02-25T09:49:35.766-08:002017-02-25T09:49:35.766-08:00Rod Meredith stated - "We have sent out—absol...Rod Meredith stated - "We have sent out—absolutely free—millions of magazines and booklets"<br /><br />Important disclosure that he omits- "However, if you want access to God , it is going to cost you upwards of 30% of your income"<br /><br />There needs to be some "truth in advertising". It would be far cheaper to simply buy the literature, magazines and booklets , "en toto" for three easy payments of $59.95 than to be hooked into RCM and the requirements of LCG. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910856904624749641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-71554731104510382022017-02-25T09:46:44.907-08:002017-02-25T09:46:44.907-08:00I prophesy that Roderick Meredith will die.
Proph...I prophesy that Roderick Meredith will die.<br /><br />Prophecy.<br /><br />It's a gift.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-87957096798319748982017-02-25T06:00:43.622-08:002017-02-25T06:00:43.622-08:00apparently Redfox thinks the Jews understand....apparently Redfox thinks the Jews understand....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com