tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post190200033713709298..comments2024-03-28T22:34:16.707-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: CGI: Bill and Wayne’s Excellent Adventure in PoliticsNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-83464403330947643652016-12-23T07:11:40.690-08:002016-12-23T07:11:40.690-08:00RetiredProf, no harm no foul. I admit that I'm...RetiredProf, no harm no foul. I admit that I'm bizzare in some ways. I have no degrees in linguistics, but I did read Suzette Haden Elgin's trilogy of The Gentle Art when I was a teenager, and I believe that alone saved some of my sanity when I was in a cultic dysfunctional family. The structure of magic. Her written work is <a href="http://bookzz.org/s/?q=Suzette+Haden+Elgin&yearFrom=&yearTo=&language=&extension=&t=0" rel="nofollow">massive.</a> You might like John Grinder's "Turtles All The Way Down" and "Whispering in the Wind." He can be very analytical in his writings, unlike his former colleague. But that's where my Master Practitioner comes from, which I got around 2002-03.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-40760589800878764122016-12-22T16:37:21.415-08:002016-12-22T16:37:21.415-08:00Trump, (around 2:03)"...had our politicians h...<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6ay7BTVdis" rel="nofollow">Trump</a>, (around 2:03)"...had our politicians had gone to the beach and enjoyed the sun we would have been better off."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-47133672157628408242016-12-22T13:19:37.673-08:002016-12-22T13:19:37.673-08:00DBP says, "I still don't understand why l...DBP says, "I still don't understand why linguists visualize the surface structure on the floor and then branch off the deep structure higher and higher from the floor till it's over their head. It seems ambiguous."<br /><br />I hadn't thought of it that way, but I see what you mean. The metaphors "deep" and "surface" conflict with the top-to-bottom construction of transformational-generative tree diagrams. Tree diagrams can work in either direction or sideways, but they are easiest to construct on a typewriter or word processor with the branches extending downward. Also, they depend on our habit of reading text from top to bottom. We expect the beginning to come at the top.<br /><br />Interesting view of the "rhetoric" of diagrams. Thanks. Your comment might prove instructive to technical writing teachers and their students, and I may send it along to a couple of my still-employed ex-colleagues. <br /><br />(NO2HWA, sorry for the off-topic comments. I try to suppress my tendency to get pedantic about linguistics, and I will resume guarding against it as soon as I click "Publish Your Comment" on this one. Honest.)Retired Profnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-61735188705571781482016-12-22T11:06:10.209-08:002016-12-22T11:06:10.209-08:002:11
I was reading the comments on Chomsky when I...2:11<br /><br />I was reading the comments on Chomsky when I saw your recommendation.<br /><br />I was IMMEDIATELY reminded by Tom Clancy's "The sum of all fears." <br />Where Morgan Freeman cautions the Ryan character before a senators hearing to: "Choose your words carefully, words have a habit of being turned into policy."<br /><br />ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-19025420032166327492016-12-22T10:49:58.331-08:002016-12-22T10:49:58.331-08:002:11
I like that. Continuous feedback loop and fl...2:11<br /><br />I like that. Continuous feedback loop and flexibility. In my experience the analysts were still wet behind behind the ears and not seasoned at all in the dirty mindset of the opponents. <br /><br />But I would caution too against "off the cuff", trigger happy, shooting from the hip without any proper analysis. It's a balancing act. But so far refreshing indeed. (re phone call Taiwan etc)<br /><br />In my brief encounter with Chomsky material at my Alma Mater I was intrigued by the structuring of that what "felt" self evident.<br /><br />nck<br /><br />nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-24176563542272094752016-12-22T05:39:21.332-08:002016-12-22T05:39:21.332-08:00"It is an analytical approach for modeling ho..."It is an analytical approach for modeling how the mind converts (transforms) vaguely conceived "deep structures" (roughly comparable to underlying meanings) into "surface structures" (grammatical sentences)."<br /><br />I still don't understand why linguists visualize the surface structure on the floor and then branch off the deep structure higher and higher from the floor till it's over their head. It seems ambiguous. <br /><br />DBPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-72573071486524338432016-12-21T14:52:50.955-08:002016-12-21T14:52:50.955-08:00If you don't mind the efforts to defeat the co...If you don't mind the efforts to defeat the copy-right bots, here is the full movie.<br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLH2QRiU7Lc" rel="nofollow">The Book of Eli.</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-48483221668684337012016-12-21T14:24:14.691-08:002016-12-21T14:24:14.691-08:00RetiredProf said:"I suspect you have fallen i...RetiredProf said:"I suspect you have fallen into the trap of thinking, "Hm. Noam Chomsky proposed the basics of transformational grammar. Noam Chomsky is a flaming liberal. Therefore Noam Chomsky invented transformational grammar to serve as a tool of the Liberal Establishment."<br /><br />Where and when did I say they were bad? I only stated that people, or in my case, some people who don't have your best interests in mind, use these techniques as well. And I think it's worthwhile that everybody use them as well. By the way, I have a Master's Prac. in blah-de-blah blah.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-60683841088443861792016-12-21T14:11:58.839-08:002016-12-21T14:11:58.839-08:00Nck, check this out.
I think it's great!Nck, check <a href="http://stevepieczenik.com/trump-nixes-pdb-another-smart-move/" rel="nofollow">this</a> out. <br />I think it's great!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-7396928622388347132016-12-21T13:36:17.342-08:002016-12-21T13:36:17.342-08:00Interesting. I like Noam Chomsky.Interesting. I like Noam Chomsky.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-84391115552846390042016-12-21T09:11:57.051-08:002016-12-21T09:11:57.051-08:00DBP, you made some bizarre kind of mistake when yo...DBP, you made some bizarre kind of mistake when you included transformation grammar among the tools the establishment uses to hold onto power. Transformational grammar is not a system for using language rhetorically, which is what is needed for political purposes. It is an analytical approach for modeling how the mind converts (transforms) vaguely conceived "deep structures" (roughly comparable to underlying meanings) into "surface structures" (grammatical sentences). Though imperfect, it gives valuable insight into the inner workings of language systems. Objective knowledge of it, or any other system for analyzing grammar, does not guarantee to make a person rhetorically effective. Neither does it have any discernible effect on anyone's political leanings.<br /><br />I suspect you have fallen into the trap of thinking, "Hm. Noam Chomsky proposed the basics of transformational grammar. Noam Chomsky is a flaming liberal. Therefore Noam Chomsky invented transformational grammar to serve as a tool of the Liberal Establishment." That makes no more sense than to claim that carbon-14 dating or mathematical set theory or computer science was designed as a tool of the Liberal Establishment. Besides, Chomsky proposed his approach to understanding how languages work before his political opinions firmed up, or at least before he started writing about them.Retired Profnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-45650747842871509182016-12-21T06:58:07.766-08:002016-12-21T06:58:07.766-08:00DBP,
If he is a real leader with ears to hear the...DBP,<br /><br />If he is a real leader with ears to hear the on the job training will be provided by the great american people. They have shown great compassion and mercy to presidents who were personally flawed and a certain ruthlesness toward their peers, like a self correcting mechanism.<br /><br />All a president needs to do is bring the humanity back in the mechanism.<br /><br />nck nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-81861854888356119012016-12-21T06:26:57.285-08:002016-12-21T06:26:57.285-08:00I voted for Trump. ^_^I voted for Trump. ^_^Tom Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18094167282235960282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-14126472187125191542016-12-20T22:59:33.365-08:002016-12-20T22:59:33.365-08:00BykerBob, Job training by whom?
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DBPBykerBob, Job training by whom?<br />;)<br /><br />DBPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-82124599770914760092016-12-20T22:57:25.537-08:002016-12-20T22:57:25.537-08:00Miller Jones said:"Likewise, the positions th...Miller Jones said:"Likewise, the positions that are usually associated with Republicans (pro-life, pro-development, pro-business, anti-regulation, school choice, gun rights, strong military, etc.) are seen as stances that protect/preserve traditional American values."<br /><br />The Evangelicals have elected an atheist. <br />I am amused by that! <br /><br />DBPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-59209071113460704422016-12-20T22:47:40.001-08:002016-12-20T22:47:40.001-08:00The only thing worse than a two-party system is a ...The only thing worse than a two-party system is a one-party system. And America chose the right one, for now. Wait a second, let me rephrase that with a one-party system that masquerades as a two-party system who recently felt entitled to steal the election from the American people! Seriously, the only real way we can get our country back on a sensible track is if we all realize that we will often find that the solutions lay OUTSIDE of either party. And if we could only focus on the changes needed that will benefit ALL or MOST Americans, then the extreme polarities that exist will naturally become less extreme or important, while all along the way protecting the rights of the individual. But only if the Establishment will allow it or is powerless to stop it, and I hope it is the latter. <br /><br />Trump has been an easy target for the left to demonize and for representing the "Hitler", but it was Killary who has behaved like one. Not Trump. And in my mind, HRC is far worse than the pre-fuhrer "Hitler". HWA was a conman not unlike the Establishment, which has utilized social-engineering, transformational grammar, and identity-projection shenannigans to take and hold on to power. Remember, it was the Democratic party that originally opposed civil-rights and the Republican party that built the military-industrial-complex. Knowing this, Obama was far worse than George Bush Jr. in terms of debt, war-mongering, deportations, transparency, corruption, war-crimes, and the protection of an individual's liberty. Now imagine HRC as Madame President. !!!!<br /><br />Even though my mind has been mostly cleaned of "prophetic narratives", I have wondered if the rest of the world would have seen <a href="http://i.imgur.com/WXnqBjp.jpg" rel="nofollow">Killary as the whore that rides the beast.</a><br /><br />DBPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-45068857651095616692016-12-20T21:22:15.065-08:002016-12-20T21:22:15.065-08:00Yes, Lonnie, and I also believe that some who leav...Yes, Lonnie, and I also believe that some who leave the ACOGs, as part of their recovery, freshly consider the issues which are most important to them, and then make new decisions as to which party best serves those issues.<br /><br />I registered to vote for the first time in 1992, specifically for the purpose of voting for Bill Clinton. And, actually, I did quite well financially during President Clinton's terms in office. Sometime during that time, however, I stopped getting my political information from Rolling Stone Magazine mostly because they began editorializing more and more in favor of the gun grabbers. As of this point in time, I'm pretty much middle of the road, perhaps just slightly right of center. I really can't stomach the extremes in either party, because there isn't a heck of a lot of common sense to either extreme. <br /><br />Honestly, this time around, I sat out the election, being disgusted by both candidates. But, with the checks and balances in place, we should be alright. Generally a president learns and matures starting with day one in office, because unless you were VP, the only training for POTUS is on the job training. <br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-12950818212395354892016-12-20T17:06:33.761-08:002016-12-20T17:06:33.761-08:00Byker Bob,
I think that your thesis about how Arms...Byker Bob,<br />I think that your thesis about how Armstrongites think of our two parties is correct. For them, positions that are usually associated with the Democrats (pro-choice, civil rights for gays and other minorities, pro-environment, pro-labor, federal regulation and support of education, gun control, separation of church/state, etc.) are seen as destroying the fabric of America. Likewise, the positions that are usually associated with Republicans (pro-life, pro-development, pro-business, anti-regulation, school choice, gun rights, strong military, etc.) are seen as stances that protect/preserve traditional American values. Hence, Obama (an apparently extremely devoted family man and Christian) is seen as the Anti-Christ; and Trump (an apparent misogynist, serial adulterer with virtually no religious conviction) is seen as the Savior of all things moral and good. And, as Black Ops pointed out about their religious views being riddled with error, their politics is replete with the same. Armstrongists: "We have our beliefs, don't bother us with the facts!"Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02865316200703641028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-45945628870191870942016-12-20T08:36:14.303-08:002016-12-20T08:36:14.303-08:00Let's put all of these things into proper pers...Let's put all of these things into proper perspective. To the Armstrong-infected mind, the Democrats enact or produce the signs of the end times, as the Republicans attempt to counter them or slow them down.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-18075574222755574552016-12-19T19:41:58.301-08:002016-12-19T19:41:58.301-08:004.19PM
The Republican party is a umbrella organiz...4.19PM <br />The Republican party is a umbrella organization comprised mainly of conservative Christianity and laissez faire capitalism. Capitalism is the same social system one finds in the old testament, including Christ's time. It is a social system, not a religion. Historically, it lacked a religious spirit, and still does.<br />In practise, the conservative party today is the me-too party, the democratic lite party, which is why Obama got most of what he desired. The moral decline thingy.<br />Laissez faire is French for 'hands off,' (no ministers snooping in members cupboards) so it's hardly surprising the Armstrongites have and continue to reject it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-59844897783730824002016-12-19T16:19:02.463-08:002016-12-19T16:19:02.463-08:00Anonymous 12/19/2016/9:47, Your statement about th...Anonymous 12/19/2016/9:47, Your statement about the Democratic party could also be made about the Republican party.Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02865316200703641028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-55778965753607154782016-12-19T09:47:51.465-08:002016-12-19T09:47:51.465-08:004.26AM. Thank you for your comment. Every politica...4.26AM. Thank you for your comment. Every political ideology rests on a 'religious' foundation. The religion can be a established religion such as Christianity or a secular religion, such as the religious spirit that drove the French revolution (liberty, equality, fraternity). That's specially true today since the examples you give are from a past era where there was a separation of state and religion. The democratic party today is a religion (left wing liberalism) with political window dressing. With the democratic party, there is no distinction between the spiritual and the political. They are one. Do you see?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-41892817871261497542016-12-19T04:26:30.902-08:002016-12-19T04:26:30.902-08:00Anonymous 12/18/16/9:01, your reference to the bea...Anonymous 12/18/16/9:01, your reference to the beast, false prophet and 10 nations presupposes a very literal and political interpretation of certain prophecies. And, yes, many of the OT prophets rebuked Israel's people and leaders for their sins; but isn't that fundamentally spiritual in nature? Those rebukes focused on violations of the ten commandments (mainly various manifestations of idolatry), the basis of the covenant between God and them. In other words, those prophets were focused on what they saw as God's business. They weren't interested in being partisans for Rehoboam or Jeroboam, Zedekiah or Nebuchadnezzar, Egypt or Babylon, etc. Remember, God is NOT a Republican (or a Democrat). God is NOT a Trump supporter (or a Hillary supporter). Do you see the distinction between spiritual and political?Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02865316200703641028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-78590697911123288382016-12-19T00:26:02.315-08:002016-12-19T00:26:02.315-08:00Who is sounding an audible warning, 9:01? If it w...Who is sounding an audible warning, 9:01? If it were not for these blogs, I wouldn't even know the ACOGs existed. No street buzz, they're not in the news, and honestly after 40 years of continuing to cry wolf after the failure of 1972-75, even if one did explode into mainstream consciousness, they would have zero credibility in matters of prophecy.<br /><br />The cookie cutters of the old Plain Truth and World Tomorrow exist soley to convince you folks on the inside that your splinter is getting the HWA version of a gospel out so that you'll keep sending in your tithes. Other than that, they're darned near invisible.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-41730373939276191952016-12-19T00:14:52.583-08:002016-12-19T00:14:52.583-08:00I didn't vote this election cycle because fran...I didn't vote this election cycle because frankly I couldn't stomach either candidate. <br /><br />However, I believe that since winning the election, Donald Trump has become a party to information that he did not have during the campaign. That high level of information is sobering and is often a game-changer for a new president. We'll have to see what happens, but in any case, I don't believe he'll be able to erase all that President Obama has done, because to a large extent, Obama followed the will of the people.<br /><br />The electoral college was established to keep the larger states from having undue influence. California and New York are both liberal states with large populations, and if you throw them both out, I'm sure that it would change the popular vote situation. So, actually, the electoral college concept has worked from a geographic standpoint, as painful as that might be for the Democrats.<br /><br />President-elect Trump does not have a mandate, but since the Republican Party will also control Congress, that point could end up being moot. Everyone knows that this control could totally change during mid term elections, so the smart money would be on them trying to steamroll their agenda through early in Trump's presidency. It's almost a given that this presidency will cause massive street level protests all along the way.<br /><br />I do have friends in the Native American community, and minority friends who are concerned about their rights. I've reminded them that we do have a strong Constitution and Bill of Rights, and checks and balances in place that restrict what a president can do. Also, there are some things that have been squeezed from the proverbial toothpaste tube that most likely can't be squeezed back in at this point. <br /><br />Heaven help us if the parties get into competing by declaring martial law during their presidencies to implement and enforce their agendas. Hopefully they realize what a dangerous precedent that would set!<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.com