tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post1936276404819011669..comments2024-03-28T01:47:50.775-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: A Brief Musing on those beneath the Rank of ApostleNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-78762635641436085062013-11-24T11:07:40.611-08:002013-11-24T11:07:40.611-08:00"…Repent means CONFESS YOUR SINS"
I do ..."…Repent means CONFESS YOUR SINS"<br /><br />I do not remember him confessing his sins. He instead preaches all pastors sin, Paul sinned, David sinned and therefore I sin. He forgets that they all humbly repented and put away all evil. Pack does not repent and if he did he would not rule with a fist, but would guide the assembly with love towards all including the splinters, which he hates. He has not repented! Such blind sheep! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-33239228564083168172013-11-24T10:06:40.439-08:002013-11-24T10:06:40.439-08:00By the way, speaking of Apostles, I would encourag...By the way, speaking of Apostles, I would encourage all readers here to also visit Mike's blog, Ronald Weinland False Prophet. Some of the actual jurors are posting there, and I would particularly recommend reading the thread associated with Ordinations, Part 2, where juror # 215, the foreman of the jury at Ron's trial has presented details of the evidence considered. It doesn't leave any room for doubt regarding the actual motivations behind the Weinland ministry. It is very rare that we would receive such clear cut evidence as to how the scam operates in the favor of "apostles". Lest anyone believe that HWA was somehow above similar behavior, I would suggest contemplating his multiple homes, expensive automobiles, globe trotting, clothing, objects of art, and furnishings.<br /><br />This is a major bomb shell exploding in living color right before our eyes!<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-16162912367096803012013-11-24T09:16:41.056-08:002013-11-24T09:16:41.056-08:00Good point, 6:51. What I've discovered from m...Good point, 6:51. What I've discovered from my voracious reading is that often, two (among other) things can influence our understanding today. One is that the eary translators of the Bible didn't always have a functional understanding of the nuances of the languages they were translating into English or other languages. We see examples in the NT in which Aramaic is preserved and quoted in places where some of the more diligent ones wanted to be precise, such as Jesus' words from the cross when He felt that Father God had forsaken Him. Anyone who ever purchased a Honda back in the 1960s is familiar with "Japanese English". Why would there not be such a thing as "Greek Aramaic", "English Greek", or "English Hebrew"? The very act of translating results in a paraphrase, regardless as to how skilled the translator is.<br /><br />Also, various teachers do tend to weave concepts from their own time and place in history into Biblical statements and lessons, inappropriately, changing the meanings into things perhaps never intended by the original authors. (This may be the reason why some believe that everyone in the Bible was white.) If challenged, rank gives them plausibility. They cite their alleged apostleship, or Petrine primacy, rather than providing actual scholarship. It can take you off in false directions without any recourse for following truth. This rank vs descriptive functions principle which you cite is an example of "understanding" from Armstrongism, Adventism, and perhaps ultimately, Catholicism. It may have originally crept into Catholicism from the Roman society's hierarchy of titles, rather than the communal egalitarian lifestyle of the earliest Christians.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-91364832549699659672013-11-23T18:51:10.583-08:002013-11-23T18:51:10.583-08:00Eph 4 11 some to be apostles, prophets, evangelist...Eph 4 11 some to be apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastor teachers. Are these ranks, one above another? I don't think so. They are sequential. First, the apostle goes out (scouting the territory) then prophets and evangelists, if there are enough people to be cared for, pastor/teachers. HWA looked upon these titles as in the military. I see them as not one above another, but side by side. Different roles but not one person over another.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-66876087093094863182013-11-23T10:38:38.613-08:002013-11-23T10:38:38.613-08:00The basic problem with the understanding of apostl...The basic problem with the understanding of apostleship within the Armstrong movement, is that apparently certain people feel that it is a title one receives when leaving or being kicked out of the main entity from which they learned their theology. <br /><br />It is incredibly stupid, beyond words, for Dave to lambaste would be "correctors of error" based on their rank falling below that of apostleship, when he, himself, took on that title, proclaiming it as fact but based solely on what he felt his position in ministry might be. Even if Dave had been ordained as an apostle by HWA, HWA had not been ordained to this rank by his own superiors in the ministry during the time when he acknowledged that there were superiors. HWA got his apostleship by buying into comments apparently made by Herman Hoeh, and repeated by others in Hoeh's peer group. Pack didn't even have a Herman Hoeh type to flatter him with such a concoction, so he fabricated it all by himself.<br /><br />Remember, these are the fine folks that reject the chain of people who were carefully trained and ordained starting with the original apostles (Antenicene Fathers), calling them "Catholic" hundreds of years before that term had even come into play. <br /><br />If the term "apostle" can be self-given, or surmised and applied by one's acolytes, then in that context, it is a truly meaningless term, and carries no authority whatsoever. It's like the garbage man proclaiming himself to be a corporate executive. Let's face it, Lenny and Squiggy could have started a better, less harmful ACOG than some of these guys!<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-48533938100830908132013-11-23T09:59:12.900-08:002013-11-23T09:59:12.900-08:00“If I were looking for God’s one true Church, I wo...“If I were looking for God’s one true Church, I would assuredly look for one that had confessed and corrected its errors!<br /><br />Exactly! I would not attend your sect due to having many errors still. There is no one "true church". That statement is not in the bible. There are followers of the way, that live/worship in Spirit and in truth, nothing having to do with a building or a man.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-44878331926289944812013-11-23T09:58:02.228-08:002013-11-23T09:58:02.228-08:00Speak up to fake authority
Well, pretty much all ...<i>Speak up to fake authority</i><br /><br />Well, pretty much all authority is fake. Authority is about power, control and manipulation, not truth and justice. But calling it "God's church" or "democracy" is supposed to justify the authority. So basically you are expected to "be a good member" or a "good citizen" and put up with what they dish out no matter how unfair it is. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-47951114979599831282013-11-23T09:02:10.514-08:002013-11-23T09:02:10.514-08:00Gal 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for wh... Gal 6:7<br />Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.<br /><br /> Gal 6:8<br />For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.<br /><br />Jer 12:13<br />They have sown wheat, but shall reap thorns: they have put themselves to pain, but shall not profit: and they shall be ashamed of your revenues because of the fierce anger of the LORD.<br /><br />Jud 1:16<br />These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-29355651631260656742013-11-23T08:22:31.717-08:002013-11-23T08:22:31.717-08:00Dave Pack left WCG because of its errors.
Dave Pa...Dave Pack left WCG because of its errors.<br /><br />Dave Pack left Global because of its errors.<br /><br />Now, Dave Pack says you shouldn't leave RCG because of its errors.<br /><br />Hmmmmmm.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com