tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post2199708081014090448..comments2024-03-29T05:22:27.348-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: UPDATED: Rod Meredith Drives Out Last African American Members From Charlotte Church After Calling Them Pickaninnies and Other Derogatory TermsNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-30658036353596382862015-02-17T15:01:15.620-08:002015-02-17T15:01:15.620-08:00In case anyone doubted, Jim Meredith is indeed bei...In case anyone doubted, Jim Meredith is indeed being groomed for an increasing role in LCG's television efforts. Note his latest:<br /><br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY5YW7levPU" rel="nofollow">NCIS and Homosexuality</a><br /><br />Christ reached out to prostitutes and Roman collaborators and others whom the Jewish and Roman establishments both considered to be scum. Would Jim and his Dad even recognize Christ if He appeared today? Would they approve of Him? Would they crucify Him?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-85029842735473559952015-02-15T13:07:55.384-08:002015-02-15T13:07:55.384-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Byker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-86985691226080532922015-02-14T00:30:29.428-08:002015-02-14T00:30:29.428-08:00Oh, wait a minute. Upon further reflection, I gues...Oh, wait a minute. Upon further reflection, I guess my dad really IS a racist after all. Sorry about that. You guys are right. My bad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-18721631715662952232015-02-13T01:04:49.271-08:002015-02-13T01:04:49.271-08:00These opinions of various posters certainly run al...These opinions of various posters certainly run along partisan lines! However, it is difficult for someone who was such a visible, and unbridled part of the Armstrong movement to be an effective beneficiary of revisionist history. We've all heard of "shock jocks", like Howard Stern, and it seems like we had our own version of this in the WCG in the person of Rod Meredith. He would often go way, way, past the boundaries of good taste in articulating the weird viewpoints of Armstrongism.<br /><br />Two areas that he could always be counted upon to wax graphic about were public examples of marked departure from pre-World War II sexual mores, and the "disgraceful" co-opting of modern day "Israel" by gentile peoples, ie, "the stranger amongst you". You could expect from Rod, and on a regular, incessant basis, ridiculous diatribes about Hollywood, about homosexuals, and about such signs of the endtimes as our "national disgrace" of having Tom Bradley being elected as mayor of Los Angeles. That there was no serious intellect behind this barrage of oration didn't bother the majority of the membership, since the church was largely anti-intellectual, another frequent topic being intellectual vanity whenever HWA was challenged. It was a "Rednecks Rule!" environment, just like the T-shirt.<br /><br />At Ambassador College, it was ironclad in the 1960s that you did not in any way disrespect "Gawd's" ministers. Students in the dorms never would address Herbie and Teddy by the blatant HWA or GTA. It was MISTER HWA, or MISTER GTA. Yet, there was frequent open mimicry and pantomime of one outragious figure. Rod Meredith. Nobody ever did anything about the daily mini-skits in the dorms re-enacting whatever he had said in Bible class that day. One, that was performed in our dorm by members of the Freshman class, iirc, went something like this:<br /><br />"Hollywood calls her a star. But she is really just a whore, if they told it like it is! They are glamorizing a whore! How many times has she been married? There's no love in those marriages! She has just allowed all of these men to masturbate in her body! When I see her on the screen, it makes me want to stick her head into the toilet bowl to wash the makeup off her face, and to slap her face and point my finger at her nose and to yell "Bad, bad, bad dog!!! No!!!""<br /><br />When the Pasadena Public Schools were being integrated, I remember a sermon in which Rod had expressed concerns that the Feds could one day come after Imperial Schools and Ambassador College, because in the past there had been internal policy documents reflecting "God's way" of segregating the races, and that these were unaccepable to "the world". Shortly thereafter, the children of Black and Latino ministers, as well as those of some long-term loyal employees were admitted to Imperial and Ambassador.<br /><br />An Italian-American buddy of mine listened in class to some diatribes from Rod about Italians, and after class, privately and respectfully went to the front to explain that these were not the sorts of things he had witnessed in his family while growing up. Rod was evasive, quickly making a switch to the topic or rebellion. No apology, no change. My buddy was deeply hurt by this. Unbelievably French, and Hispanic students who had attempted to point out the innaccuracy of similar blanket descriptions of the members of their races were similarly rebuffed.<br /><br />So, excuse the heck out of some of us for finding this latest report not only credible, but also right in character with the man's long-term past public behavior over decades. To paraphrase the bumper sticker, "Racism is not a Kingdom skill!"<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-5924207754167384512015-02-12T22:34:31.313-08:002015-02-12T22:34:31.313-08:008:34 AM, can't you google it?
Google results ...8:34 AM, can't you google it?<br /><br />Google results yield things like-<br /><br /><a href="http://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/197/363.html" rel="nofollow">McNair v. Worldwide Church of God (1987)</a><br /><br />when doing a google search of "Leona McNair trial" (without the quotation marks).<br /><br />Hey, I even made it clickable for you. Is that sufficient, or do you need more help?<br />(Egg on my face if it doesn't come through properly.)<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-60740934958587413402015-02-12T17:26:15.520-08:002015-02-12T17:26:15.520-08:00There are people who hold and express attitudes th...There are people who hold and express attitudes that are racist, yet don't recognize them as racist. Someone much wiser than myself once explained that if you really want to know if something is racist, you have to ask the one who is the object of the joke, statement, or act. This is very basic, in fact it is the only way that many people even realize that racism exists in the first place.<br /><br />The ACOGs have always been careful not to go high profile with racism. It's not as if you would go to a Rod Meredith F/T and hear the hymn leader say, "Now, on the third verse, we're going to ask all of our Pickaninny brethren to sing! Come on, "you folks", let's really sing out!"<br /><br />~Miguel de la RodenteAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-22720713883069428352015-02-12T12:23:20.546-08:002015-02-12T12:23:20.546-08:00My dad is NOT a racist!!!!!!!My dad is NOT a racist!!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-17072124210986241202015-02-12T10:30:48.661-08:002015-02-12T10:30:48.661-08:00I don't doubt this story at all! I heard Mere...I don't doubt this story at all! I heard Meredith say some whoppers while I was still in LCG. I worked around him in Pasadena and he said the exact same racist comments there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-21510248248329279772015-02-12T08:53:24.023-08:002015-02-12T08:53:24.023-08:00There is definitely a difference in perceptions am...There is definitely a difference in perceptions amongst two or more members of the Charlotte congregation. Each party seems to be aware of factors of which the other has no knowledge. <br /><br />In a closed system, where information is carefully controlled, and where there is a "correct" view mandated by the leadership, it is not unusual that there could be such a disparity amongst first party observers. In fact, that is what you would expect during a crisis. We have to remember, other blog entries over the past months have told of an internal crisis, an ongoing purge, and concerns about Dr. Meredith's health.<br /><br />Racism is institutionalized in such a way that the average ACOG member does not perceive it as such. Most members would not think of using the "N" word, they simply believe that God has a natural order to things, due to their misunderstanding of the roots of Old Testament battles, and failure to realize that Jesus instituted any sorts of changes. Based on this, they teach that certain ethnic groups of today have Biblical roles for all eternity. Their misunderstanding means to them that God intends that the Anglo Saxon gentiles are eternally destined to be greater than all of the other gentiles. Not to worry! Every faith community extant today will probably experience "corrections" at the rez.<br />If not, their past activities indicate that the Nephilim are not racists, either.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-85008472410468357772015-02-12T08:34:33.456-08:002015-02-12T08:34:33.456-08:00LCG sermons are heavily edited by a team of headqu...LCG sermons are heavily edited by a team of headquarters employees prior to being posted to the web and not all sermons are posted. They are smarter than that! They have a point man (usually Don Davis or Dylan King) in the audience watching the time clock as the sermon is actually being recorded who is literally writing down the time stamps for each outrageous comment or off topic tirade so that its easier to edit in the end. There are members who record the sermons from their laptops while in the audience (they would be hunted down by the Gastapo if their actions were known) but they aren't likely to come forward out of fear and cowardice.<br /><br />Does anyone have a link to the Leona McNair trial information?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-10636892538440467262015-02-12T06:58:38.786-08:002015-02-12T06:58:38.786-08:00"Rod Meredith was born in Joplin, MO in 1930.... <i>"Rod Meredith was born in Joplin, MO in 1930."</i><br />On May 22, 2011, a highly destructive and deadly tornado tore through the city of Joplin, Missouri.<br />Will Bitter Bob claim this was because God was angry at Rod?<br />(I wonder, because of Bob's recent "flakey" conjecturing.)<br />Surely, we can forgive God for the 81-year delay in responding, since He's been so busy with other things like billions of fervent sports-team-related prayer requests.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-91710834191779179302015-02-12T05:55:37.791-08:002015-02-12T05:55:37.791-08:00As far as this guy referring o blacks this way...t...As far as this guy referring o blacks this way...this way of racist thinking also gets back to all the old hag men running the offshoots because this is how that ignorant generation thought of blacks...just like the whores and slut rant I posted. Good thing they are all dying off.old EXPCG haghttps://plus.google.com/u/0/113084575537501184298/posts/p/pubnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-15893821493746788172015-02-12T05:03:02.929-08:002015-02-12T05:03:02.929-08:00Sometimes, your posts on this blog are counterprod...Sometimes, your posts on this blog are counterproductive because they are often based on mere rumours and not facts. <br /><br />If it has really been said in sermons, as you mentionned it… then it is easy to find such sermons since all Meredith's sermons at the HQ are released online. And then, the accusation becomes very serious and reliable.<br /><br />So, please find and quote sources, real sources! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-64432841507268212092015-02-11T16:34:45.482-08:002015-02-11T16:34:45.482-08:0012:19 it would be wonderful to believe you but unf...12:19 it would be wonderful to believe you but unfortunately I know some of the African American people who left LCG for the reasons outlined in the original post. They also know the mixed black/white couple you mentioned (just ordained a deacon) so I guess there is at least 1 African American person in your congregation (slow clap, yay you). Why don't you ask him if RCM called his children blobs? He will confirm what you deny. I noticed you were hung up on the attendance number more than refuting the hateful racist things RCM has said. Take a poll next time you're at church. The racist statements outlined in the original post are common knowledge among your peers.I'm sure you know someone who can confirm he preached that whites will rise before blacks at the Feast in Florida. Regardless of attendance numbers the man you idolize is still just as racist as he's always been and everyone knows it but thank you for trying. As proven in the Leona Dorothy case, RCM followers and RCM himself are willing to lie, lie, lie in defense of him. RCM is literally known throughout all the COGs as a big fat liar. His entire church is founded on a lie. It's hard to trust anyone under his influence. If there are in fact 15 black members in the Charlotte congregation (which is VERY hard to believe - are you counting the babies?) it's hard not to feel sorry for them. Cheers!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-362784576239651902015-02-11T13:49:29.061-08:002015-02-11T13:49:29.061-08:0012:19 here. With a few final responses.
Poster&#...12:19 here. With a few final responses.<br /><br />Poster's "225+" number noted is actually a low number. I believe this past week they announced (as regularly is announced) attendance to be mid 250s... maybe 260s But shame on me for not writing it down. <br /><br />And, I decided it would be more needful (at least this once) to not "shrink back" and "boil to death" ... at least not just yet... <br /><br />Recalling exact numbers and individuals out of 225 (never mind 250+) is a bit challenging. But decided a little brainstorm between work assignments was worth the effort. Lemming or not, what follows is 'truth' based on names and faces I have the pleasure to see on a weekly basis. Again, of what I can recall in this little brainstorming session.<br /><br />15 black brethren (I feel bad even having to write it out that way, because it is nonsense, they are just "brethren"!<br /><br />While I'm at it, here are a few other facts I counted out in my little exercise (again, names and faces I get to interact with every week):<br /><br />at least 7 interracial families. One of which the husband (a black man) is a regular 'right hand man" for Dr Meredith. Oh, and who Dr Meredith just recently (within the last couple of months) himself ordained as a deacon.<br /><br />Additionally, since I did prefer the diversity term, I also recall at least 10 Hispanic individuals.<br /><br />Now that being said, it does not trumpet high percentages by any means on a 225 attendance (much less on the actual 250+)... but it does indicate that the original poster's comments written in their 'absolute' language are not written in balance or truth. Even still, it has incited some responses that have swallowed the comments in whole... even to the degree that some of the respondents would rather attack anon 12:19 for contributing to the chain as an eye witness adding some truth & balance.<br /><br />Your hate of racism is well seated! God created "man" - NOT just the "white-man" or otherwise. God also states that "He so loved the world", etc. RIGHT ON! Whether or not you care for "a" COG, or the greaterCOG scattered across the various COG world... whether or not you are an antiCOG, or HWA, or... or ...OR. YEAP, keep it up! Racism is ugly and it is wrong.<br /><br />On a personal note: I appreciate the 'outside-looking-in" perspective on my 'bubble'. However, realizing that you're making your comments to a "time stamp", realizing we probably have never met, or exchanged pleasantries, never having shared a meal, or likely ever having had any interaction beyond this blog page.... Realizing I TRIED not to insight a fight, and that I was careful not to generalize the character of potential respondents... It seems you, 4:19, came out swinging and name calling. No, I'm no lemming. But if what I said above is true (and it is), why are you angry with me? No need to answer, I'm not sure I care, and I'm sure it will be seated in hurts and wrongs that you attribute to the COGs or HWA that I can't defend or argue... and for all i know are 100% very real for you. So, I wish you all the best.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-59976694089671183692015-02-11T11:00:17.805-08:002015-02-11T11:00:17.805-08:00Its not as prevalent as it once was, but thats act...Its not as prevalent as it once was, but thats actually an older belief espoused by various Protestants. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-91096626754017426072015-02-11T08:05:17.068-08:002015-02-11T08:05:17.068-08:00If we could just get rid of Neil deGrasse Tyson, t...If we could just get rid of Neil deGrasse Tyson, then we could more easily defend that whites are more intelligent than blacks, although the number of adult whites who don't know that the earth takes a year to go around the sun or even that the sun instead of the earth is the center of our solar system is disturbing.<br /><br />Thank God for racism!<br /><br />But darn it all, it looks like Neil deGrasse Tyson will be back for the second season of Cosmos!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-80493204749223397882015-02-11T07:21:43.958-08:002015-02-11T07:21:43.958-08:00I worked with and knew Rod Meredith. To be fair, I...I worked with and knew Rod Meredith. To be fair, I personally never heard him -- during that time, anyway -- obsess over racial things, or to make blanket statements as hateful as those offered in this post. That's not to say he might not have thought them. I just never heard them.<br /><br />However, in the early days of Ambassador, when the church was still the "Radio" church, he chimed in along with many others who espoused the HWA positions on race. They were not only based on British-Israelism, they were based on prevailing societal norms that HWA experienced growing up. Those often, even typically, manifested themselves in the form of hateful thought and speech.<br /><br />Those norms have been shaken to the core, and it's difficult for many older white Americans to wrap their brains around. To assume that the majority of Americans in the 21st Century will not be of mixed race is to ignore the evidence of history and the tide of change that is rapidly overtaking this country.<br /><br />As Armstrongism fades from the scene, so, too, will the pronouncements of Rod Meredith and so many other of HWA's lieutenants. They will become a footnote in history. A different country is emerging, and their ways will no more be a part of it than those of the pro-slavery faction of the 1800s.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-12157803246881092442015-02-11T07:11:11.231-08:002015-02-11T07:11:11.231-08:00Meredith refers to African Americans OFTEN as pick...Meredith refers to African Americans OFTEN as pickaninnies, that children of mixed marriages are BLOBS with no identity, and that whites will rise before blacks in resurrection.<br /><br />Add to that list the way all those twisted and perverted in their thinking, >OLDHAGS< school men have always viewed women >AS WHORES AND (SLUTS)< as Gerald Flurry once said about Princess Diana.<br />This whole "NO, you can't wear make-up!" thing was perpetuated by Herbert W. Armstrong because of his perverted way of thinking about women. He always based his conclusion on this matter based on the story Jezebel in the Bible.<br />He spoke highly of Abram and Sarai, but I guarantee you Sarai wore at least eye liner as this was common in those days especially in Egypt. And have you ever wondered why Joseph's brother's did not recognize him when they went to Egypt because of the famine?? Because Joseph wore eye make-up just like all the rest of Egypt! Once I asked a minister in the PCG if Joseph wore make-up. He shook his head an adament "NO!" I had come to this conclusion on my own just using common sense.<br />As is well documented in history...men were the first to wear dresses, wigs, make-up, carry purses, etc. Now days they have MEN teaching future Miss America's how to walk across the stage. Men design the high heels and dresses for women to wear. MEN are over leading make-up companies. MEN encourage women to dress like SLUTS. Men are the managers behind most of these singers like Beyonce and JLo (Jennifer Lopez). They are the ones encouraging the women to get on stage half nude so MEN will watch, in order to make more >MONEY<<br />So this whole whore/slut controversy seems to be founded in the eyes of men, not women...(as a man thinketh).<br />And ranting on all this...I would like to know why Abraham so eagerly went into Hagar and got her pregnant. Hagar had no say over the situation. Did Sarai hold a gun to Abram? Should I go on? I could.<br />I'm not against all men...<br />Just Jackasses! <br />old EXPCG haghttps://plus.google.com/u/0/113084575537501184298/posts/p/pubnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-56306211588354633172015-02-10T22:30:06.826-08:002015-02-10T22:30:06.826-08:00Spirit of rebellion is a highly subjective label, ...Spirit of rebellion is a highly subjective label, totally left to the discretion of the ministry. And, I doubt that the label is reserved for extreme cases normal people associate with rebellion, because extreme rebels just leave without batting an eye! No, they define spirit of rebellion downwards soas to cover and deny virtually every request for special exception. The rhetoric is left in place in the ministerial bulletin for the general public. Orwell, and all that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-21163668824933733822015-02-10T22:04:12.920-08:002015-02-10T22:04:12.920-08:00From a pdf document online said to be from the Dec...From a pdf document online said to be from the December-January 2007 Ministerial Bulletin of the Living Church of God: "The Church teaches that interracial marriage is discouraged, but the Church will not automatically disfellowship those who decide to marry interracially unless they do it in a spirit of rebellion. Ministers are free to refuse to marry interracial couples as a matter of conscience."<br /><br />"Spirit of rebellion" is the criteria for disfellowshipping people for marrying interracially? As in: they were advised not to by some minister and went ahead and married? Also, this policy statement to ministers does not say why the Church officially "discourages", solely on grounds of race, all interracial marriages, or what exactly is a "race", e.g. are Russians and English the same race, are Italians and English the same race, are Greeks and English the same race, are Baltic Caucasians and English the same race, are Spanish and English the same race, are English and Irish the same race, etc and etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-70406212237053381032015-02-10T20:20:40.982-08:002015-02-10T20:20:40.982-08:00As stupid as it sounds, I can recall as a youngste...As stupid as it sounds, I can recall as a youngster (entirely growing up in WCG) "understanding" that people on the African continent were descended from Ham and hence were under the "curse of Ham". or Canaan or whatever.<br /><br />Looking back, I have no idea where that came from - was it some general racist idea from the 1960s, or was that also another dumbass WCG teaching?<br /><br />Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-15366100846730338022015-02-10T18:57:15.442-08:002015-02-10T18:57:15.442-08:00Come now, lets be balanced here!
RCM has not use...Come now, lets be balanced here! <br /><br />RCM has not used the term "negro" or "colored" for more than 10 years now. Give the man a break! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910856904624749641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-46114469270356811792015-02-10T18:27:30.934-08:002015-02-10T18:27:30.934-08:00We need to have Al Sharpton investigate this situa...We need to have Al Sharpton investigate this situation! Seems like there is a legitimate need for his services in this case!<br /><br />~Miguel de la RodenteAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-32807117547583123692015-02-10T17:55:46.773-08:002015-02-10T17:55:46.773-08:00Annon 12:19 Which part of the story are you denyin...Annon 12:19 Which part of the story are you denying? a) RCM calls mixed children "blobs" b) RCM uses the word "pickaninny" c) RCM says whites will rise 1st (as recently as the Feast of Tabernacles in Florida 2014) d) there are no African Americans in the Charlotte congregation ("diversity" in your post perhaps took into account Hispanics and Asians?) or e)all of the above<br /><br />Since you are a current member, can you please tell us all how many African Americans there are that consistently attend in Charlotte? <br /><br />We'd all love to know but my guess is that you will shrink back into your pot of water and slowly boil to death.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com