tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post249303872575154176..comments2024-03-28T15:39:45.043-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: United Church of God: Trouble in Paradise With Mark Mickelson NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-83083929833209069982019-03-12T15:53:57.454-07:002019-03-12T15:53:57.454-07:00Dear Angry Person:
Please read my response here: ...Dear Angry Person:<br /><br />Please read my response here: https://armstrongismlibrary.blogspot.com/2019/03/apparently-we-are-filled-with-rage-here.html<br /><br />PS Dennis did not write this article or the response.NO2HWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-10053951337865025012019-03-12T14:00:29.309-07:002019-03-12T14:00:29.309-07:00Dennis. I am sending this message as anonymous as ...Dennis. I am sending this message as anonymous as my name really doesn't matter. Reading your article on the nature of God according to Mickelson with the United church of God. My first thought was what an enraged person you must be to write some much about this. And in some places with red ink. Do you ever attack the catholic faith? ..talk about doctrinal innacurices. <br />The former WWCG went under because Tkatch senior did away with Gods commandments. Christ said if we really loved him we would keep them. John 14:15.also John 6:21 takes the point much further.I guest he didn't read it. As for you Dennis and anyone reading this, my self included be careful about what the commandments say about bearing false witness or giving false testimony found in exodus 20 and deuteronomy 5..think about it Dennis. As a friend in christ loose some of road rage. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-75036467566561023052018-10-13T10:14:02.278-07:002018-10-13T10:14:02.278-07:00Mark's sermons are on YouTube for anyone that ...Mark's sermons are on YouTube for anyone that is seriously interested, and should be verified by using your own bible. If you don't get the point from here, move on in your life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-23062802415042148752018-06-07T20:57:39.017-07:002018-06-07T20:57:39.017-07:00Just wondering where I could obtain copy of Mark&#...Just wondering where I could obtain copy of Mark's paper.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-2410517750052471782017-12-17T14:24:25.320-08:002017-12-17T14:24:25.320-08:00I have listened to every sermon by Mark, and never...I have listened to every sermon by Mark, and never has he said that God the Father is the only one. He tries to emphasize that it has been both Jesus Christ and the Father working together for eternity. Both of them together. Before you level accusations, why don't you have some references? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-45918540274935405462017-07-03T04:24:18.819-07:002017-07-03T04:24:18.819-07:00Anon July 1, 2017 at 8:31 AM wrote: "I have r...Anon July 1, 2017 at 8:31 AM wrote: "I have read and re-read your post, but don't get your point/s."<br /><br />I was basically giving scriptures to show that Satan and his angels were made, that is: created, perfectly evil.<br /><br />As another example, Satan has no fear of God:<br /><br />"Upon earth there is not his like, who is MADE WITHOUT fear." Job 41:33<br /><br />Another example, Satan is a waster!<br /><br />"...and I have created THE WASTER to destroy." Isaiah 54:16<br /><br />Satan and his angels exist for a purpose. We are learning about evil, and learning to hate evil. All humanity is caught up in sin (I John 3:8...first 8 words) and all humans have been appointed once to die.<br /><br />Satan did have a beginning. So did Jesus Christ. So did the Word, but not so God the Father, who is "forever." Satan and his angels are only "for." There will be no "ever" attached to that word.<br /><br />They will eventually be destroyed (Matthew 25:41, 46) along with Satan's works.<br /><br />Time will tell...<br /><br />JohnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-80267259223745221752017-07-01T16:45:26.427-07:002017-07-01T16:45:26.427-07:00Anonymous 9:57...
I'm not mocking UCG at all....Anonymous 9:57...<br /><br />I'm not mocking UCG at all. But I am saying that this is an example of UCG's inability to deal with internal issues. If elders are preaching heresy...correct, fire, de-credential or remove speaking privileges. If congregations are posting heretical messages, take those messages down and remove their ability to post sermons on the local website system. It is controlled by Cincinnati. But, instead, they warn the Church against to be aware of their own elders. How can you have confidence in an organization when it tells you that your own local leadership is in error and you should be aware of it them...instead of actually dealing with it? <br /><br />Sadly, when they lost hundreds of experienced elders a few years ago, UCG was left scrambling and hired and ordained scores of individuals who probably aren't qualified for the positions they were given. So they will likely continue to deal with these kinds of issues for years as a result. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-79639865889088880562017-07-01T13:11:47.267-07:002017-07-01T13:11:47.267-07:00What is happening in the UCG is nothing but the co...What is happening in the UCG is nothing but the continuing shrinking and splitting of Armstrongism. Would the last one to leave please turn off the lights!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-85769042835475706302017-07-01T12:39:28.423-07:002017-07-01T12:39:28.423-07:009.57 AM
So you mock the UCG for warning their memb...9.57 AM<br />So you mock the UCG for warning their members about a serious doctrinal issue. Isn't that their God given responsibility? Maybe they believed the truth is more important than what outsiders will think, or what readers on Banned might say.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-55417991302545453292017-07-01T12:12:49.209-07:002017-07-01T12:12:49.209-07:00BB 10.00 am comment, I'm anon 2.45, and your r...BB 10.00 am comment, I'm anon 2.45, and your right who amongst any of the group's can be trusted. Who indeed, i don't even think they trust themselves. I have written on my bible inside cover from many years ago, trust no one but God. How true I have found that to be.<br />Anon 9.57 your comments are superb, thank you for sharing them.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-38794838583009215402017-07-01T10:00:49.170-07:002017-07-01T10:00:49.170-07:00What group amongst the ACOGs has not made themselv...What group amongst the ACOGs has not made themselves a laughing stock? Which group actually could be trusted? <br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-27134207547943757552017-07-01T09:57:45.461-07:002017-07-01T09:57:45.461-07:00Only in UCG...
That basically sums up the continu...Only in UCG...<br /><br />That basically sums up the continual drama that is the United Church of God. Among all the COG's, they stand out as the most divided, chaotic and consistently perplexing of all the groups. If they have a problem with certain elders giving erroneous sermons and congregations posting them on their local websites, why not deal directly with the problem? UCG, in theory, has authority over their congregations and UCG's server hosts the congregational sites. They could deal with this problem easily. But, instead, they take an internal problem and write a letter to the whole church and post it publicly on their website. Really, think about it, the ultimate authority in UCG is warning members to beware of sermons by their own elders! Now UCG members who had no idea about the questionable messages will be curious and/or unsettled and the rest of the COG community see's an organization that continues to be the poster-child for chaos and disunity. During their crisis in 2010, the UCG administration consistently made bad decisions and essentially forced a split. You add to that their goofy videos and their post 2010 ordination spree, the only thing you can really say is... <br /><br />Only in UCG...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-40382168689533495982017-07-01T08:31:31.471-07:002017-07-01T08:31:31.471-07:00John 7.58 AM
I have read and re-read your post, bu...John 7.58 AM<br />I have read and re-read your post, but don't get your point/s.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-84577276010280325272017-07-01T07:58:59.770-07:002017-07-01T07:58:59.770-07:00Anon, June 30, 2017 at 12:06 PM, wrote: "...F...Anon, June 30, 2017 at 12:06 PM, wrote: "...First, how can a angel be perfect if Satan and a third of his angels rebelled..."<br /><br />They, Satan and his angels (Matthew 25:41) are perfectly evil!<br /><br />Proverbs 16:4 The LORD hath MADE all things for himself: yea, even the WICKED for the day of EVIL.<br /><br />Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and CREATE EVIL: I the LORD do all these things.<br /><br /><br />Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast PERFECT in THY WAYS from the day that thou WAST CREATED, till iniquity was found in thee.<br /><br />Certainly none of them vile, evil, things are perfect in God's Ways.<br /><br />Anybody have sin in their lives?<br /><br />"He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil." I John 3:8<br /><br />It looks like Jesus Christ was murdered to accomplish more than just enable the world's sins to be forgiven (2 Cor 5:19) and allow mankind to "live again!"<br /><br />But time will tell... <br /><br />JohnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-11053862946415290182017-07-01T02:45:08.473-07:002017-07-01T02:45:08.473-07:00The real trouble in paradise for UCG is that their...The real trouble in paradise for UCG is that their bubble has well and truly burst. NoOne trusts them anymore. They angrily denied they were changing whilst they openly campaigned to change their voting percentage. They have made themselves the laughing stock of COG land as no one trusts a word they say. Far too much politics for far too many years. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-85311168099840850452017-06-30T20:34:54.904-07:002017-06-30T20:34:54.904-07:00Ontotheology is certainly a divisive path to take,...Ontotheology is certainly a divisive path to take, and it could result in splinters a-plenty. I was trying to think of working a pun into this, but I can't.Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-76067851419940774862017-06-30T18:01:29.259-07:002017-06-30T18:01:29.259-07:00Part 2
Jn 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, veri...Part 2<br /><br />Jn 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.<br />Jn 8:41b ... Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. <br />Jn 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: <br /><br />“... the most remarkable thing that happened in the faith of the earliest followers of Jesus is that they came to identify him - Jesus - with Yahweh, in calling him Lord, and in many other ways. So, yes it is certainly true, from a whole-Bible perspective, that the God Yahweh of the Old Testament ‘embodies’ (if that is not too human a word) the Son... But on the whole it is probably more appropriate in most cases that, when we read about Yahweh, we should have God the Father in mind” (Christopher J. H. Wright, Knowing God the Father through the Old Testament, p.17).Yes and No to HWAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-57736330937262661872017-06-30T18:00:12.802-07:002017-06-30T18:00:12.802-07:00Part 1
Two verses that proponents also use in arg...Part 1<br /><br />Two verses that proponents also use in arguing that God the Father, was the only God of the Old Testament, are:<br /><br />Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, <br />Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; <br /><br />though the last part of verse 2 would possibly raise some questions.<br /><br />The author of Hebrews is stating the ‘absolute’ or ‘primary’ interpretation.<br /><br />In Lamentations 2 “(God is the overt subject of 29 out of the first 31 verbs!): God “destroyed,” ‘broken down,” “cut down,” “withdrawn (his protective hand),” “burned,” “bent his bow,” “”killed,” “poured out his fury,” “become like an enemy,”...” (so F.W. Dobbs-Allsopp, Lamentations, Interpretation, p.82).<br /><br />Paul W. Ferris notes that in the defeat of Zedekiah’s Judah “Yahweh is the primary actor, Babylonia the secondary means” (Lamentations, EBC, Rev Ed., Vol.7,p.589).<br /><br />The argument, then, is that, in the OT God the Father is the “primarily” God and Jesus Christ is the “secondary” God, using Paul Ferris’ terminology. (As Jesus Christ said: “for my Father is greater that I” (John 14:28).<br /><br />The NIV Study Bible notes on the NT ‘shema’ (1 Cor 8:6) that “God the Father is the ultimate source of all creation (Ac 4:24). God the Son is the dynamic one through whom, with the Father, all things came into existence (Jn 1:3; Col 1:16).”<br /><br />It may also be said, for want of better terminology, that God is the “ultimate” God and Jesus Christ is the “dynamic” God.<br /><br />Acts 3:13 acknowledges that God the Father was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jacob also acknowledge another God-being:<br /><br />Ge 48:15 And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day, <br />Ge 48:16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth. <br /><br />To clarify which God Jacob was addressing he refers to Jesus Christ as the “Angel” (mal’ak).<br /><br />Jesus Christ was the ‘dynamic’ God of Jacob; and of his descendants:<br /><br />Exo 13:17 And it came to pass, when Pharaoh had let the people go, that God led them not through the way of the land of the Philistines, although that was near; for God said, Lest peradventure the people repent when they see war, and they return to Egypt:<br />Exo 13:21 And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night:<br />Exo 14:19 And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them:<br /><br />“How God led the Israelites (v.17) is now explained. This single “pillar” (14:24), which was a cloud by day and a fire by night, ... was a visible presence of Yahweh in their midst. The pillar of the cloud and fire was but another name for “the angel of God,” for Exodus 14:19 equates the two as does 23:20-23. In fact, God’s Name was “in” this angel who went before them to bring them into Canaan (23:220-23). He was the “angel of his presence” (Isa 63:8-9). Malachi 3:1 calls this angel the “messenger of the covenant,” who is equated with the Lord, the owner of the temple. Obviously, then, the Christ of the NT is the Shekinah glory or [the ‘ultiomate’] Yahweh of the OT. Through this cloudy pillar the Lord would speak to Moses (33:9-11) and to the people (Ps 99:6-7). Such easy movement from the pillar of cloud and fire to the angel of the Lord himself has already been met in the same interchange between the burning bush, the angel, and the Lord in chapter 3...” (Walter C. Kaiser, Jr, Exodus, Vol.2, EBC, p.385).<br />Yes and No to HWAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-21762163610008957802017-06-30T16:14:48.005-07:002017-06-30T16:14:48.005-07:00Perhaps Jelly could clear the air by promulgating ...Perhaps Jelly could clear the air by promulgating a series of encyclicals on UCG's <br />Christological dogma...<br />Ronconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-67917532056948501522017-06-30T12:49:20.704-07:002017-06-30T12:49:20.704-07:00Nck
Many religions have some version of 144,000. T...Nck<br />Many religions have some version of 144,000. That doesn't mean that they are JWs or a abusive cult. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-91761210826125080642017-06-30T12:20:38.029-07:002017-06-30T12:20:38.029-07:004.33 AM
You seem to be ignorant/deceived or delibe...4.33 AM<br />You seem to be ignorant/deceived or deliberately ignoring 'obeying church government.' In these churches, this is a code word for lording it over members lives. Church members are ROBBED of their rights and Hid given responsibilities. Mathew, Mark and Luke all instruct leaders not to lord it over members like the gentiles. But the ministers have chosen to put their faith in bully morality in stead. Only violence, threats, intimidation, lording it, deception works.<br />This is not 'Gods government' but 'Satan government.' <br />These apostate ministers are disobeying both God and the bible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-11977399245519425102017-06-30T12:06:54.820-07:002017-06-30T12:06:54.820-07:004.17 AM
No, no no. First, how can a angel be perfe...4.17 AM<br />No, no no. First, how can a angel be perfect if Satan and a third of his angels rebelled. God does not trust the angels and has put the universe under the rulership of future born again humans, not the angels. So how can a imperfect angel not sin as a human? <br />The issue isn't perfection, but rather worth. God says that all nations before Him are as a drop in the bucket. God the Father and Christ are worth more than mankind. Which is why Christ death covers everyone sins. The ancient sacrificial system just pointed to Christ. <br />If scarifying animals pays for peoples sins, then why Christs death?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-66591489433692547072017-06-30T10:15:01.648-07:002017-06-30T10:15:01.648-07:00Excellent Connie,
Not all aberrant originated wit...Excellent Connie,<br /><br />Not all aberrant originated with hwa. Christianity had their funny lot from the very start. <br /><br />Like the aberrant group ultimately growing into the muslem faith originating in a rigorous orthodox interpretation of the jewish books larded with syriac christianity.<br /><br />The one hope for humanity is to rediscover those roots of the three Abrahamic religions through the globalist armstrongism. As HWA tried in 1978 with Saddat in the Sinai.<br /><br />ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-23404510203526488052017-06-30T08:57:51.951-07:002017-06-30T08:57:51.951-07:00This part struck me: "How long has it been si...This part struck me: "How long has it been since you reviewed the study papers and other Church publications on the topic in question?" followed by "The only valid source we have is the Bible."<br /><br />Okay, so if the only valid source of understanding is the Bible, why do we have to run to the 'study papers and other Church publications' in order to properly understand the subject?Still Learningnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-64294967663156102562017-06-30T08:20:43.074-07:002017-06-30T08:20:43.074-07:00I heard a lot of Mickelson's sermons and have ...I heard a lot of Mickelson's sermons and have talked with him about God the Father. I have never heard him say the Christ was a created being. His point has been the God the Father has not been fully understood as to the Father's involvement with Israel and the Father role in the New Testament church. <br /><br />There's no question that Christ was in complete submission to the Father and the Father is greater than Christ. <br /><br />Of course, being a member for decades, with COG's overly focused on the Sabbath, Holy Days, etc., I told Mark that the most part in the past, Christ was sitting in the back of the bus. He didn't disagree, but my desire for more of a focus on Christ's examples (being Christ like) does necessarily conflict with Mark's point the Father's role and position should also be better appreciated. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com