tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post2776826709846902127..comments2024-03-28T01:47:50.775-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: More Claptrap From Another Armstrong (Garner Ted's son, Mark)NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-87084046149803059332015-10-16T11:42:16.336-07:002015-10-16T11:42:16.336-07:00Actually many measures of gun control have already...Actually many measures of gun control have already been introduced to the US. And they work.<br /><br />When my wife helped clear out her father's house after he died, she despaired of bringing the guns she inherited back home in her checked luggage on the plane, so she took them to a firearms dealer and had them shipped to a firearms dealer here, for her to pick up at the store instead of at our address. Nobody told her it is legal to ship a gun one already owns to oneself, but everything turned out for the best. All that red tape involved with the shipping and the federal background check had a beneficial effect on the crime rate in our jurisdiction. <br /><br />That is to say, my wife has never shot even one person with any of those guns! Retired Profnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-62842852586074483752015-10-16T00:57:09.133-07:002015-10-16T00:57:09.133-07:00"On that basis, the sooner a measure of gun c..."On that basis, the sooner a measure of gun control is introduced to the US, so much the better for everyone."<br /><br />LOL, duck and cover everyone. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-74316494000690804022015-10-15T19:13:39.458-07:002015-10-15T19:13:39.458-07:00Wow - reading the rhetoric of the last few posts h...Wow - reading the rhetoric of the last few posts here, I can understand why homicides by firearms is over seventy times higher in the USA than in my country. <br /><br />On that basis, the sooner a measure of gun control is introduced to the US, so much the better for everyone. Questerukhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06309446543506795945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-5894780247072860592015-10-15T18:38:28.432-07:002015-10-15T18:38:28.432-07:00Ah, just what we need, Tom. Someone who is not on...Ah, just what we need, Tom. Someone who is not only steeped in the HWAcaca, but has also been damaged by Rush Limbaugh! Double trouble. What you just stated regarding compassion is nearly a direct quote from the E.I.B. archives. <br /><br />It's been my experience that some of the high profile conservative politicians are very eloquent and convincing in defending activities that our mothers taught us were just plain selfish. <br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-71454462967526299672015-10-15T12:30:34.666-07:002015-10-15T12:30:34.666-07:00Anonymous and the Professor were separated at birt...Anonymous and the Professor were separated at birth for sure. <br /><br />What ever happened to starving children or dirty water and dirty air? Killing old people and hating children. Stick to basics man. <br /><br />You’re starting to sound to the left of the average leftists.<br />Tom Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18094167282235960282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-25778264444913425532015-10-15T07:34:53.785-07:002015-10-15T07:34:53.785-07:00Yeah, why would someone choose to respond anonymou...Yeah, why would someone choose to respond anonymously to Tom Dale when all he's doing is fantasizing about a bloody confrontation in which he gets to pump bullets in to any individual who doesn't line up with his ideology? It doesn't make any sense!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-73268156350067158182015-10-15T07:09:57.563-07:002015-10-15T07:09:57.563-07:00Bob, the thing about compassion.
It really does...Bob, the thing about compassion. <br /><br />It really does prove my point. Look at the results of all the liberal compassion. We've been doing in for 100 years now starting with Woodrow Wilson. Everywhere that this compassion, (handouts), are applied you don't alleviate human misery. The human misery expands and grows. And it's done of purpose because both parties know that they need a dependency class to stay in power. It's not rocket science. <br /><br />What the liberals are doing is not Christ like. Where does that thinking even come from? <br /><br />Were you in the Professor's class?<br />Tom Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18094167282235960282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-48733052502595231822015-10-15T06:55:57.259-07:002015-10-15T06:55:57.259-07:00Hey Professor!!! You actually taught children?
...Hey Professor!!! You actually taught children? <br /><br />When did I say I wanted to shoot anyone? Do you really go to bed at night thinking the rabid right wing is coming to get you? <br /><br />What you said about the Second Amendment is 100% accurate. But who is that domestic enemy? <br /><br />Make no mistake, I am your enemy, and you are my enemy. Your world view is the most dangerous thing I've ever been exposed too. I'm from California remember, where every single college professor is a left wing lunatic. I have a seething hatred for all things liberal because of what I’ve experienced with it in both my youth and adult life. It's pure evil. I will fight against it until I’m dead with extreme prejudice knowing I’m fighting the good fight. <br /><br />I truly hope that makes you sleep better. Try not to shoot yourself with that gun of yours.<br />Tom Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18094167282235960282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-22116790592784141062015-10-15T06:37:14.569-07:002015-10-15T06:37:14.569-07:00I have to agree with you Miller about Reagan being...I have to agree with you Miller about Reagan being the best president. Don't tell that to Retired Professor though, he'll call you rabid for sure.<br /><br />Baptized at seventeen? I'd consider that ill advised. I was baptized at nineteen in San Diego and was told that was usually not the norm. I was a different case though not having grown up in the church.<br /><br />I also agree with you that the church had no lock on the truth. I had many disagreements with curtain ministers and got thrown out of Richard Ames office once. Not physically thrown, but with a lot of yelling on his part.<br /><br />I'm at a loss though with what you’re saying about Christ's words in RED being satanic. I never said that, nor implied it. I was talking about your edits you have about Mark Armstrong.<br />Tom Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18094167282235960282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-17333671842880837572015-10-14T20:29:50.451-07:002015-10-14T20:29:50.451-07:00Tom Dale, no wonder it is hard for you to find an ...Tom Dale, no wonder it is hard for you to find an example of extreme conservatism. You view people who occupy your position as the center and everyone else--especially those whose opinions irritate you--as liberal. When you look for extreme conservatives, you look to your right, and you don't see anybody. The reason? Your position lies way over there on the far right edge, which other people perceive as extreme, even if you don't. <br /><br />Your boast about shooting people with protest signs? <br /><br />All right, buster, some of us liberals can shoot too. You start shooting up peaceful protests, we'll be there shooting back. The Second Amendment is in the constitution so that we citizens can defend our nation against enemies foreign and domestic. Conservatives in the original sense--those who take a measured approach to problems and resist rash actions--will stand right beside liberals when faced with the kind of rash actions you propose. You are not an extreme conservative. You are a rabid one.<br /><br /> Retired Profnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-83759066197080409342015-10-14T17:22:54.688-07:002015-10-14T17:22:54.688-07:00Tom, I've visited that NASA climate change sit...Tom, I've visited that NASA climate change site a number of times. In the 4th paragraph of the article you cited, it states that since the late 1970s, the Arctic region has lost an average of 20,800 square miles of ice each year. Antarctica, has gained an average of 7,300 square miles per year, but that still is a net loss of 13,400 square miles for the planet each year.<br /><br />I watch the NOVA program on PBS fairly regularly, and that is where I became aware of the extent of, and the science behind, the Arctic melt down we are witnessing and the thawing of the permafrost. I do not have the time lapse from the NOVA program to share with you, but if you Google "Time lapse of arctic melting", several videos from fairly authoritative sources such as NASA will come up.<br /><br />Also, have you seen what is coming out of EXXON these days? It is reminiscent of the tobacco companies and how they handled the lung cancer concerns for decades! I won't make any further commentary on this article, but I will say that anyone who reads it is going to come away with a completely different attitude. http://graphics.latimes.com/exxon-arctic. I hope I got that right, but if not, just Google Exxon Arctic melting, and it will all come up. <br /><br />Glaciers and snow pack are what feed every major river around the world. When you think of the possibility of the Ganges River drying up over in India, the impact to humanity would be staggering. <br /><br />Regarding extreme conservatism, we live in it every day in my neck of the woods. The most evident damage of the extremeness is the way the elected officials keep taking away from the school budgets year after year. Our public schools are now right in there with Mississippi, in fact Mississippi might have actually surpassed us in excellence at this point. Fortunately, the extreme conservative environment experienced during my years in WCG prepared me very well for it. I'm not a liberal, but many liberals usually have a sense of mercy and compassion, and apply their financial resources to alleviating human misery. I have to applaud them when they are being Christlike, just like I tar and feather them for some of the useless feel-good stuff they do.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-86181706864071569632015-10-14T16:37:30.569-07:002015-10-14T16:37:30.569-07:00I just called my friend Rob.
Rob: Hello.
Tom: ...I just called my friend Rob. <br /><br />Rob: Hello.<br /><br />Tom: Hey, Rob it's Tom?<br /><br />Rob: Hey bro, what's up.<br /><br />Tom: Man, you wont believe it. I just had Anonymous tell me that I'm not a Christian.<br /><br />Rob: Woo, dude. That's messed up. Anonymous, really? That's heavy stuff man.<br /><br />Tom: Yeah, tell me about it. I'm really feeling low now.<br /><br />Rob: Well yeah, of course man, it's Anonymous!! Hey, did he mention anything about me?<br /><br />Tom: Ummm, no, you didn't come up. <br /><br />Rob: Oh thank God man, I couldn't handle that right now.<br /><br />Tom: I think I'm going to take some time this week and do some heavy soul searching. I'll call you after the weekend.<br /><br />Rob: Right on man, I understand. Be strong, peace out.Tom Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18094167282235960282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-92118924998735400622015-10-14T16:03:45.882-07:002015-10-14T16:03:45.882-07:00Tom, I'm sorry to disappoint you. I'm fift...Tom, I'm sorry to disappoint you. I'm fifty-four years old, and I believe that the greatest president (present occupant included) of my lifetime was Ronald Reagan. I do not currently belong to either party, although I was a Republican at one time (before they became so negative and extreme). I was not raised in the church, although I was baptized when I was only seventeen. Even so, I am very familiar with the beliefs of the Worldwide Church of God and have demonstrated to my own satisfaction that they did not have a lock on the truth. I would NOT, however, change my history with regard to my involvement in Armstrongism if I could - I am who I am today in part because of those experiences - no bitterness or resentment here. One more thing before I close, do all of the editions of the Bible where Christ's words appear in RED indicate Satanic influence? Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02865316200703641028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-15747897447595327942015-10-14T14:31:20.015-07:002015-10-14T14:31:20.015-07:00Stay away from those magnets Anonymous.
http://w...Stay away from those magnets Anonymous. <br />http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/611992/Scientists-experiment-magnets-immigrants-God-magnetic-wavesTom Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18094167282235960282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-898490414521038582015-10-14T11:32:15.382-07:002015-10-14T11:32:15.382-07:00Can you post that time lapse thing about the ice m...Can you post that time lapse thing about the ice melting?<br />https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum<br />Tom Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18094167282235960282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-56557666480115790312015-10-14T10:53:04.373-07:002015-10-14T10:53:04.373-07:00I did goof on that miss-spell. And for those keep...I did goof on that miss-spell. And for those keeping count, I don't believe in an everlasting soul. I just thought it would help make a point for anyone reading this not familiar with doctrine.<br />There were people and still are some that worshipped Armstrong. Flurry is the best example of that mindset. But the truth is that was always a small group in the church that was mostly dependent on the money they got from headquarters.<br />Where I attended at least half of the congregation voted, the women wore makeup except at church, owned fire arms, and of course always thought Joe Tkach Sr. was a total phony and fraud. <br />You mention skin pigmentation. I've actually heard white liberals in California in 1991 say that they “hate Clarence Thomas because of the color of his skin”. I'm sure they meant that no black man should be conservative. Look how anyone on the left treats either Thomas, or Ben Carson. Similarly how they react to any conservative woman. It's like throwing holy water on a vampire. <br />Also you left out vaginas. Most gay marriages are with women. <br />Finally, I've yet to find anywhere in all of human history where there was an example of extreme conservatism. <br />Tom Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18094167282235960282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-60526880981885340792015-10-14T10:20:04.461-07:002015-10-14T10:20:04.461-07:00Supposedly, with Christians, "you will know t...Supposedly, with Christians, "you will know them by their fruits". Hiding in a bunker behind a wall of guns and ammo, intimating future violence toward others because they're upset about someone else's marriages, and encouraging willful ignorance regarding environmental stewardship of the planet don't seem like particularly fruitful spiritual endeavors. It's strange how those who complain the loudest about the supposed criticism of Christianity are always its most lacking examples. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-15460469756195754252015-10-14T09:18:29.885-07:002015-10-14T09:18:29.885-07:00"save your sole" (sic)???? When did th..."save your sole" (sic)???? When did the discussion switch over to shoes? Armstrongites have never believed in a soul, so I guess it follows that they wouldn't know how to spell the word. <br /><br />Meanwhile, time lapse photography, and satellite imagery show that the glaciers and ice masses are continuing to melt at an alarmingly accelerated rate, and life-sustaining coral is being "bleached" around the world. <br /><br />I am basically a "God and guns" Christian myself, but deeply fear the "Christians" who judge the totality of a man's value based soley on his skin pigmentation or what squirts his penis. <br /><br />Balance isnt extreme liberalism, or extreme conservatism. Any perceived strength, practiced to extreme, becomes a weakness or limitation. Most working people, trying to earn a living, are basically centrists, just trying to navigate around the extremists. They end up having to dodge all the stupid mala prohiba laws imposed on them by polar opposite sides as they try to live good lives and raise their families.<br /><br />Why would people who "don't feel the love" want to become like Tom?<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-9690269137744412222015-10-14T08:01:18.543-07:002015-10-14T08:01:18.543-07:00One more thing Miller, just look at the last sente...One more thing Miller, just look at the last sentence you wrote in red.<br /><br />"but he appears to be a decent, Christian man who is devoted to the principles outlined in our Declaration of Independence"<br /><br />More than anything else you've written, that last line gives away your extreme bias.<br /><br />Just one month ago in Des Moines, Iowa, the president criticized Christians. It's one of many criticisms he's made throughout his career, and at the same time always calling islam the religion of peace and making excuses for it.<br />Read for yourself from a left wing site.<br />http://www2.nybooks.com/articles/s3/2015/nov/05/president-obama-marilynne-robinson-conversation.html<br /><br />Your fight is not with me or anyone in the COG. It's with a majority of the country that knows this man is not a Christian. Your liberalism blinds you of that fact and there is nothing anyone can say that will sway you from this.<br /><br />I know this from experience. So that leaves us divided. As I see it, there is no moderation between our world views. So we have to pick a side. I've chosen to support Israel, to never surrender on the fallacy of gay marriage and global warming, and to tell anyone within ear shot that Obama is no Christian. <br /><br />It could end up in another bloody civil war. My side is stored up lots of guns and ammo. Your side has a lot of protest signs. In the end liberalism will lose and freedom and liberty will rule the day.Tom Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18094167282235960282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-72719774165267249002015-10-14T06:52:56.314-07:002015-10-14T06:52:56.314-07:00"CGI has always gotten involved in politics, ..."CGI has always gotten involved in politics, backhandedly, but involved nontheless..."<br /><br />Just for the record: Mark Armstrong is not with CGI. He's with ICG, the organization his dad founded after parting ways with CGI. GTA left the CGI in January 1998. He then wrote articles and gave "sermons" wherein he attacked CGI for "no longer watching world events." That was because certain CGI ministers wrote and spoke against what they termed "headline theology," pointing out that Jesus' instructions to "watch, therefore..." had nothing to do with watching world events.Alannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-88333267307027051472015-10-14T06:24:37.713-07:002015-10-14T06:24:37.713-07:00I’m not surprised you don’t see it. Being from Ca...I’m not surprised you don’t see it. Being from California I’ve known so many liberals that despise America, our Constitution, the nation of Israel. Now they embrace the fallacy of gay marriage, anyone conservative and are 100% in agreement with the idea of man-made global warming.<br />Armstrong died in 1986. You’ve turned some weird hatred for that man into a new religion. I don’t recognize anything you or anyone else on this website says about the COG. It’s as if we were in two different worlds. All I can imagine is that you grew up in the church and have a hatred for it just like Joe Jr. had, and who by the way is also very liberal in his politics.<br />What I do recognize from reading all of these posts is the mind set I grew up around. All of it is very far left. <br />My only point is that all of you need to give up this hatred that doesn’t exist anywhere except in a very small number of individuals that dedicate their lives to spread their grievances. Repent of your liberal ideology and save your sole. <br />Tom Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18094167282235960282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-13276422928292307662015-10-13T21:08:18.252-07:002015-10-13T21:08:18.252-07:00I appreciate Byker Bob's and Dennis Diehl'...I appreciate Byker Bob's and Dennis Diehl's comments. For the record, I'm not sore at anyone - just determined to expose prejudice, bigotry and falsehoods where I find them. Tom Dale, I went through Mr. Armstrong's commentary and refuted it point by point. Your characterization of my comments is not supported by ANYTHING - Would you mind explaining how anything that I said is connected to liberalism or Satan?Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02865316200703641028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-9297472007360622532015-10-13T10:25:49.259-07:002015-10-13T10:25:49.259-07:00Your comment’s in red Miller, just go on to furthe...Your comment’s in red Miller, just go on to further the meme that liberalism is truly satanic.Tom Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18094167282235960282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-34640178398862740442015-10-13T08:36:37.536-07:002015-10-13T08:36:37.536-07:005:11, what is a homosexual agenda? Can you list t...5:11, what is a homosexual agenda? Can you list the points, that in your opinion, constitute such an agenda?<br /><br />Secondly, any organization which preaches that homosexuality is a sin is probably not going to change its doctrinal apporach regardless as to what might be happening in the surrounding culture. <br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-10073027738518922332015-10-13T05:11:35.939-07:002015-10-13T05:11:35.939-07:00CGI has always gotten involved in politics, backha...CGI has always gotten involved in politics, backhandedly, but involved nontheless...<br /><br />and face it MJ, you're just sore that they won't accept your homosexual agenda...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com