tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post3458500985770111379..comments2024-03-29T08:09:02.974-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Aaron Dean on Family, GTA, Rader and HWA & RomonaNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-73877047760021583492018-02-11T22:38:26.016-08:002018-02-11T22:38:26.016-08:00Yep you are a girl, judging by your irrational att...Yep you are a girl, judging by your irrational attempts "to get even", when wronged. 20 year old boy would do too.<br />Just observations not condemnations.<br /><br />Ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-16276602593121516962018-02-11T20:24:34.854-08:002018-02-11T20:24:34.854-08:00"Projection my friend."
So that's..."Projection my friend." <br /> <br />So that's what your problem is. <br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-12771978949045135202018-02-11T20:23:35.518-08:002018-02-11T20:23:35.518-08:00nck: be nice or your mother will take away your co...nck: be nice or your mother will take away your computer <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-12862109385678647612018-02-11T20:21:10.816-08:002018-02-11T20:21:10.816-08:00Rader's book was a "play" i.e. semi-...Rader's book was a "play" i.e. semi-fake or at least distorted. <br /> <br />Dean's writings sound self-serving too; designed to make him look good, and who can verify the details? <br /> <br />GTA said (as I recall) that at lot of the autobiography of HWA was made up. I.e. fake narratives to make Herbert look good. <br /> <br />But if you believe there are a lot of fake narratives, then you are supposedly a conspiracy nut. <br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-26096767958473941452018-02-11T01:38:25.942-08:002018-02-11T01:38:25.942-08:0010:46
Projection my friend. Of the many accusatio...10:46<br /><br />Projection my friend. Of the many accusation directed to me, right or wrong, yours is the first of calling me a loser. Ponder that. Are you a girl? Then I will be more acceptable of what you have to say, really. If a boy, I would say, get some real life experience outside your cultural bubble before turning 30 and enter the crisis for millenials.<br /><br />Ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-47570435499354816742018-02-10T22:50:20.034-08:002018-02-10T22:50:20.034-08:00As Jesus said, the shepherds who cared nothing for...As Jesus said, the shepherds who cared nothing for the sheep would not stand up for the sheep and ran away when the wolf came. They did not have the guts to keep their baptismal covenant let alone to function in the ministry. Dean is a weenie. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-71011451299577803582018-02-10T22:46:05.835-08:002018-02-10T22:46:05.835-08:00There goes NCK playing the victim like a loser.
There goes NCK playing the victim like a loser. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-11587555827145369542018-02-08T05:44:50.595-08:002018-02-08T05:44:50.595-08:00Ha!Ha!Jerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06072331220413693672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-88426449561444417152018-02-07T15:03:44.820-08:002018-02-07T15:03:44.820-08:00David Robinson referred to SRR in his book as the ...David Robinson referred to SRR in his book as the Sinister Stanley Rader. Perhaps he should have put the emphasis in the proper place and called him SINister Stanley Raderthe Ocelothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07042237147554687481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-27353191769232743182018-02-07T06:20:42.551-08:002018-02-07T06:20:42.551-08:00I wonder, if Aaron Dean ever thought of himself as...I wonder, if Aaron Dean ever thought of himself as being Gunga Dinh.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-69363672131141022832018-02-06T21:49:51.169-08:002018-02-06T21:49:51.169-08:007;15
Because in your posting you asked things fro...7;15<br /><br />Because in your posting you asked things from a young assistant that are even hard to demand from people in the chain of command<br /><br /><br />7:20<br />Because the comments on this blog are very different from other blogs where people gather and comment after not being part of organized cog religion. Significantly less inclined to look at any positive note. Could be age, could be larger percentage with significant damage, could be not taking responsibility too.<br /><br />7:23<br />I hear that a lot. And again, I do regard your comment off the wall, since like most they do not contain an answerable question. What is your question?<br /><br />Ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-55362548460780095092018-02-06T19:23:50.852-08:002018-02-06T19:23:50.852-08:00Perhaps nck specializes in off the wall comments i...Perhaps nck specializes in off the wall comments in the hope that people will think he's just so smart that mere mortals can't understand him. It worked for Einstein. But then, Albert had the media behind him and the editor of the journal helping to hide his blatant plagiarism. What has nck got? <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-35066936529062084732018-02-06T19:20:09.357-08:002018-02-06T19:20:09.357-08:00Probably there is some gain in playing the part of...<i>Probably there is some gain in playing the part of victim I guess.</i><br /><br />How did you arrive at that conclusion? I don't think you are even trying to be coherent let alone rational. I guess an off-the-wall response seems better than none. You're not Aaron Dean are you? <br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-83523852597128212682018-02-06T19:15:53.813-08:002018-02-06T19:15:53.813-08:00"Another loser comment from a person who has ...<i>"Another loser comment from a person who has no feeling with 'the chain of command' in probably any organisation. Let me ask. Did you ever work in the military or a fortune 500. Think again about a not even 30's person you are asking to sneak upon the 'generals'.</i> <br /><br />Who is the loser? How would you know what other people went through or where they worked? You sound like you're just another gutless sell-out. Were you also too gutless to stand up for truth? Lots of us did and we got thrown out. We did the right thing. Dean was a coward. Some of us felt the chain of command all right---and got the boot of that chain of command. You are justifying faithless cowardice. Why would you do that unless you were a coward too. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-30264252673348844572018-02-06T17:34:36.730-08:002018-02-06T17:34:36.730-08:00To Nck
My Comment:
I see you have misinterpreted m...To Nck<br />My Comment:<br />I see you have misinterpreted my relating to “in the room” comment. No, I have never personally consulted hwa. My point was that meetings like that rarely have value. My purpose for posting that comment was to point out that the critical comments posted here are focused on perceived flaws in people without considering the spiritual value people received when they are gathered together in a harmonious unity. This is true whether they are right or wrong regarding theological issues. I have chosen to have a genuine concern rather critical comments regarding people and to avoid getting involved in theological issues. It is not my responsibility to reveal all the flaws in churches or the people in them. <br /><br />I will admit that I am no longer able to be as actively involved as I was when I ceased attending church organizations. AB <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-61965189216947818642018-02-06T16:38:24.845-08:002018-02-06T16:38:24.845-08:00Totally agree with 3:42 about nck. Such a know it...Totally agree with 3:42 about nck. Such a know it all it makes you wonder if he isn't or wasn't a COG minister since it always seems he has all the answers to everything and is never wrong in any of his comments, or so he thinks. He just continues to remove all doubt of knowing what he's talking about every time he gives another of his incoherent, rambling posts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-53543017516864701152018-02-06T16:29:01.091-08:002018-02-06T16:29:01.091-08:00Herbert did not preach the truth of the Bible with...Herbert did not preach the truth of the Bible with only a need for a little fine-tuning. He missed the broad sweep of Christianity: <br /><br />1. Grace, as C.S. Lewis stated, is what distinguishes Christianity from other religions in the world. HWA had a much diminished doctrine of grace and typically characterized grace as a villain. He instead focused on the works of the law. Look in the Mystery of the Ages and you will not find much of anything about grace. <br /><br />2. While Herbert acknowledged the sacrifice of Christ, his soteriology focused on the works of the Christian as the means to salvation. This a Millerite concept (Ellen G. White taught that perfection in character had to be achieved before the Return of Christ - recall HWA constantly harping on character - and she was not talking about the imputed perfection of Christ) and forms the bases of Jesus Plus Cults. <br /><br />If you do not understand that works are not a cause of salvation but a product of salvation, you just might be an Armstrongist.<br /><br /><br />3. HWA, for all of his talk about "human potential" and his misconceived doctrine of theosis, disparaged the salvation of the average WCG lay member. The laymember's only value was to be a support to HWA in his ill-conceived pursuit of The Great Commission. And they were so unimportant that if they did not support him, God would raise up the stones to take over their role - this from a misconstruing of NT scripture. He openly stated that he thought only the ministry would receive salvation. Like Big Brother Donald, he could abuse his base with impunity. It was actually Joe, Sr. who published and editorial in the Worldwide News after HWA's death that valued positively the salvation of lay members. <br /><br />4. As a follow-on to point 3 above, he believed that the Gospel was not about forgiveness of sins for salvation and the proper theosis of mankind but a predictive prophecy about the end time events leading up to the return of Christ. <br /><br />Although this is just a partial picture, if someone does not understand the role of grace, does not understand the value of human life, does not understand the means of salvation and does not understand the Gospel, how can be categorize such a person as being within the pale of Christianity at all. <br /><br />How big a tweak would it take?<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487906691943831671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-859248338361452952018-02-06T15:50:37.913-08:002018-02-06T15:50:37.913-08:00"HWA did not get the big picture right and a ..."HWA did not get the big picture right and a few things wrong as you claim. " I agree. He used to speak of the trunk of the tree, etc. He couldn't see the trunk because he focused on the twigs. The trunk of the tree was made clear when Jesus was asked, "what is the greatest commandment?" (There are 613 commandments in the OT). Jesus said, "love", which in Hebrew was understood as a verb, not a noun; action towards others, not a feeling of affection. Do the most loving thing is the trunk of the tree, the big picture. I can't imagine RCM preaching on doing the most loving thing (even if it meant lying). Their false teachings are even more reprehensible when you consider their arrogance and hypocrisy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-52443361723379004232018-02-06T15:42:45.461-08:002018-02-06T15:42:45.461-08:00Nck the dck once again reveals his cluelessness. A...Nck the dck once again reveals his cluelessness. An opinion for everything while revealing often his pompous ass approach to all things in the nck universe. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-5961583190354280862018-02-06T13:24:42.040-08:002018-02-06T13:24:42.040-08:00I remember thinking one time in my life. "Wow...I remember thinking one time in my life. "Wow. Why do all these ex-cog people have such anger?" "Why don't they just leave and be done with it?" I noted that some even seemed to be unfairly favored in their experience.<br /><br />But, there were gross wrongs done. There were self-serving rules that helped the hierarchy. There was arrogance. There was marginalization. There were those in WCG that wanted truth and understanding, but they also needed something more. They got camaraderie as long as they were "all in", but they didn't get the love of Christ living in them.<br /><br />When you start seeing that WCG fed on its people with the false tithing teaching, that the hierarchy was an us/them relationship, that disagreement was forbidden and was a sign that you had lost or were losing the Holy Spirit, that families and friendships were broken and some never developed or extended, lost opportunities, delayed spiritual growth and spiritual maturity, etc --- for these things the anger is understandable.<br /><br />Being deceived and recognizing the extent of ill-treatment does hurt and causes anger. Strong emotions are needed to make a break from an organization that claimed they were the only vehicle to being the elect and leaving that vehicle likely meant condemnation. To separate from such an organization isn't easy if you had bought in. It is necessary sometimes to point out every wart and sin of the organization to make one feel more secure in their decision to leave such an organization that had taught you that to do so meant condemnation. These organizations truly get into one's psyche and soul and just walking away is beyond what many can do. For many, the organization simply needs to be destroyed in their estimation. There will be anger and rightfully so. Ekklesianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-13509276085670325992018-02-06T12:08:04.330-08:002018-02-06T12:08:04.330-08:007.23 PM
HWA did not get the big picture right and ...7.23 PM<br />HWA did not get the big picture right and a few things wrong as you claim. If that was truly the case, the church would not have fallen apart on his death. He built the church house on sand, and it collapsed. I know that many people share you belief, but that's because they have bought into his pharisaic definitions. <br /><br />The 'big picture' that he should have taught is for members to build the mind of God so that they can live self responsible, independent lives. HWA taught the opposite with his 'government is everything' which stripped members of all their rights and God given responsibilities. <br /><br />That certain prophesies which he taught will eventuate, does not validate his deliberate lies of omission and commission.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-63038076481050722432018-02-06T12:00:18.587-08:002018-02-06T12:00:18.587-08:0011:16
Hi, I see by your comment thatvyou have per...11:16<br /><br />Hi, I see by your comment thatvyou have personally consulted hwa on doctrine. Interesting! Did it differ from your other dealings in support of fortune 500 ceo"s or were they more inclined to listen and accept your input.<br /><br />Or do you just make things up without real experience in dealings with corporate raiders?<br /><br />Ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-52970721100203375302018-02-06T11:16:23.974-08:002018-02-06T11:16:23.974-08:00someone commented that HWA taught the truth but go...someone commented that HWA taught the truth but got somethings wrong. Sure, he was wrong on many issues, but you'd be damned if you questioned anything he taught. His errors would have been tolerated if he wasn't do damn arrogant and intolerant of other ideas. And let's not forget the hypocrisy and arrogance that was so much a part of the leadership. And, one more thing. For all of their supposed Bible knowledge and obedience, they seemed to have overlooked I Tim 3. The number one qualification for a top leader was NOT Christian character, but LOYALTY. Not to the "Church" but to HWA. This reminds me of the oath of loyalty that German soldiers took. Not loyalty to a constitution or an organization, but to Adolph Hitler. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-79855871833612306992018-02-06T10:03:37.224-08:002018-02-06T10:03:37.224-08:00"If Mr Integrity Dean knew about all the croo..."If Mr Integrity Dean knew about all the crooked characters, what was he doing to expose it? Not much I guess. Sounds like he sat back and watched while the crooked people destroyed the church. Not much loyalty in that. Not much character there. And now he wants people to think HWA regarded him as Pastor General material. "<br /><br /><br />Another loser comment from a person who has no feeling with "the chain of command" in probably any organisation. Let me ask. Did you ever work in the military or a fortune 500. Think again about a not even 30's person you are asking to sneak upon the "generals".<br /><br />As I said. Hilarious the comments people come up with to keep their worldview in order.<br />Probably there is some gain in playing the part of victim I guess.<br /><br /><br />ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-10278042260182422472018-02-06T09:23:59.025-08:002018-02-06T09:23:59.025-08:00A personal comment:
I spent 42 years associated wi...A personal comment:<br />I spent 42 years associated with WWCOG and I can relate to what things “in the Room” would be like. I was active in the three local congregations I attended when they came near enough drive to in less than a day of traveling. I will not detail activities I did for or with the pastors I worked with, but will say that most of the pastors were dedicated to the people in the congregations and we drew members who strived to live in harmonious unity. It wasn’t until the last congregation was pressured to make changes to evangelical church beliefs that we began having unity problems. I worked with the rotation of pastors for a couple years, but recognized that the loss of members was due to the resistance in going to Sunday instead of Saturday for the day of worship. The Sabbath keepers were pressured to the point that they were leaving. Some were going to UCG, but many were just left to drift. I decided to withdraw my membership and worked with those who were no longer with any congregation. That was 18 years ago and in those 18 years I have never ceased to have people that I can help if and when there is a need. Worshipping and connecting with God is a daily experience and honoring God on special days still has meaning.<br />One of the biggest disappointments has been the focus on what is perceived as corrupt and evil people without considering the people who have the spiritual support they once had in the WWCG.<br />AB (a nobody that cares for those the critics seem to hate)<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com