tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post351657622127372407..comments2024-03-28T08:37:16.470-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Musings...NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-48799677173943931472017-02-12T08:08:31.176-08:002017-02-12T08:08:31.176-08:00Hi Dennis, Although I don't agree with your at...Hi Dennis, Although I don't agree with your atheistic viewpoints and negative comments about God and the Holy Bible, I applaud you for pointing out the hypocrisy and abuses of Armstrongism and all of the COG's that continue to adhere to Herbert W Armstrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-59787721127795864502017-02-12T01:44:35.583-08:002017-02-12T01:44:35.583-08:00Dennis @ 12:11pm..You say it's okay for us to ...Dennis @ 12:11pm..You say it's okay for us to ask where is the promise of his coming. 2 peter 3 tells us there would be some who will be saying that and sure enough there is. It tells us that a thousand years are as a day with God, so 2000 years to God really is like 2 days, so to him the promise of his coming isn't so long at all. It also tells us there that God is not willing that any should perish, he wants all to repent and have the opportunity of everlasting life, maybe in your mind it's been a long time but to him it's not, who knows, maybe you are holding things up and the reason why it's taking him this long. He can take as long as he wants if its for the purpose of giving people a chance to repent and realize he is real and does exist and turn to him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-91675319272524932172017-02-11T08:54:58.448-08:002017-02-11T08:54:58.448-08:00Anyone can claim authority. It carries weight onl...Anyone can claim authority. It carries weight only if you give it credence. It's a matter of salesmanship and gullibility.<br /><br />Allen c. DexterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-21318776887533603522017-02-11T04:23:14.145-08:002017-02-11T04:23:14.145-08:009.07 PM
I've noticed the pattern of evil peopl...9.07 PM<br />I've noticed the pattern of evil people becoming more self exalting in their old age. Presumably they are compensating for physically fading away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-65201793084282858762017-02-11T04:17:27.457-08:002017-02-11T04:17:27.457-08:00his opinions were better than Paul's
Dave Pac...<i>his opinions were better than Paul's</i><br /><br />Dave Pack claimed HWA's predictions were better than Paul's because Paul made his about 1900 years earlier. <br />Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-69546525039634881142017-02-10T21:07:26.858-08:002017-02-10T21:07:26.858-08:00Yes, well, I did hear Herbert Armstrong say in a b...Yes, well, I did hear Herbert Armstrong say in a broadcast that his pronouncements were just as good as the Apostle Paul (hinting that his opinions were better than Paul's).<br /><br />Such hubris: Declare yourself an apostle and you can do any damned thing you think of.<br /><br />Isn't that pretty much the definition of a psychopath?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-91215950782776891662017-02-10T20:17:14.692-08:002017-02-10T20:17:14.692-08:00Unfortunately, Pack,Thiel and Flurry along with as...Unfortunately, Pack,Thiel and Flurry along with assorted others can claim to be apostles the same way the Apostle Paul became one. Paul hallucinates his calling and the information he is to present to the world and Bob Thiel dreams it up. No diff.<br /><br />Galatians 1:1 Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, (I MADE MYSELF AN APOSTLE)<br /><br />11 I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. (I HALLUCINATED IT)<br /><br />Herbert Armstrong loved these verses in Galatians and always made it sound like this also the way he learned his theology.<br /><br />15 But when God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb (ONLY JESUS AND JEREMIAH BEFORE HIM CLAIMED THIS) and called me by his grace, was pleased 16 to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, my immediate response was not to consult any human being. (THIS CONTRADICTS ACTS 15) 17 I did not go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went into Arabia. Later I returned to Damascus.<br /><br />2:6 As for those who were held in high esteem(PETER, JAMES and JOHN) —whatever they were makes no difference to me; God does not show favoritism—they added nothing to my message. (IN OTHER WORDS, NO ONE TELLS ME ANYTHING)<br /><br />Paul's claims of light contact with the Church leaders in Jerusalem contradict the account in Acts and Paul tells a different story of his calling than the Damascus Road version told by Luke of Paul. <br /><br />Herbert Armstrong always appealed to these scriptures to announce just why his message was special, as do they all and it's impossible to disprove such nonsense. It is also impossible to prove . That's why you hear "Where is your faith brethren!!!" which as defined by Hebrews 11:1 is the substance of that which you hope is true based on absolutely no verifiable evidence." <br />DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-89060853216810380922017-02-10T19:43:13.698-08:002017-02-10T19:43:13.698-08:00"Did Dave give himself an official ordination..."Did Dave give himself an official ordination certificate? If so, who signed it?"<br /><br />It was signed by the jealous vengeful god of the OT, Beelzebub . Jesus was out of town and refused to sign.DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-45926364644667168282017-02-10T18:51:50.510-08:002017-02-10T18:51:50.510-08:00I am an Apostle
Did Dave give himself an official...<i>I am an Apostle</i><br /><br />Did Dave give himself an official ordination certificate? If so, who signed it?<br /><br />Bob Thiel recently published a list of CCOG ordinations, which included his first evangelist. Since there was no one in the CCOG higher than Bob, his own ordination certificate as <i>Overseer</i> was signed by two of his ordained members. Does that fit in correctly with the one-man, top-down government structure? Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-74336585132688545582017-02-10T18:46:41.744-08:002017-02-10T18:46:41.744-08:00I recall the tones of voice and body language of m...I recall the tones of voice and body language of ministers when they tried to lord it over me. They knew that the bible didn't authorise their fake authority, and in fact condemned it. They would have been screaming chapter and verse if it was in the bible. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-47947945148051764372017-02-10T18:01:11.156-08:002017-02-10T18:01:11.156-08:00Agreed.
HWA took advantage of as many as he could,...Agreed.<br />HWA took advantage of as many as he could, in his quest to make money. He was a crafty business man, looking to make his money and mark in life. It's horrible the number of offshoots there are all because of HWA's scheme. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-85956307781086812032017-02-10T17:30:35.601-08:002017-02-10T17:30:35.601-08:00And we should all feel free to insist that Armstro...And we should all feel free to insist that Armstrongist leaders be held accountable and expose them when they are not.<br /><br />Armstrongism is a cult. It deserves no respect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-91773465419190270332017-02-10T15:45:59.987-08:002017-02-10T15:45:59.987-08:001/ The wannabes are YES men! And that's why b...1/ The wannabes are YES men! And that's why better--more knowledgeable--more diligent--more ethical--more sincere--men than them were suppressed, marginalized--for years--and then CAST OUT. <br /> <br />2/ They string people along with promises of "the end is soon" and other rubbish. <br /> <br />Example: Mr Totally Inspired Gerald The Liar Flurry stings people along for YEARS before he answers their personal questions--if ever. He knows they--or someone else--might be offended if the answer is not as hoped, so he does not answer. He strings people along for years. The prophet is too busy to answer. God could inspire him in 0.2 seconds, but he's not really inspired, so just keep waiting, and waiting, and waiting ... till kingdom come, or they wise up and leave, whatever comes first. <br /> <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-82063310818393882742017-02-10T15:07:26.843-08:002017-02-10T15:07:26.843-08:00Great post, Dennis. I especially liked your points...Great post, Dennis. I especially liked your points about the dangers of equating biblical characters with modern folks and proof-texting. I posted something on my own blog that I think demonstrates that danger:<br />http://godcannotbecontained.blogspot.com/2017/02/thanksgiving-is-pagan-holiday-and.html<br />Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02865316200703641028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-29421010852815163942017-02-10T14:08:10.111-08:002017-02-10T14:08:10.111-08:00are here because we care
Amen.
And although the ...<i>are here because we care</i><br /><br />Amen.<br /><br />And although the care may be expressed in harsh or humorous terms, the concern is still there. I think Byker Bob pegged the <i>bloggers of Banned</i> correctly as "troubleshooters". <br /><br />Labeling a COG-critical site as "anti-COG" is a cheap and unfair generalization. To use the <i>troubleshooter</i> analogy, you take your car to the garage for annual inspection, and the mechanic points out faults that must be fixed. Instead of fixing the faults, you label the garage as being <i>anti-car</i>...Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-37999946147008588362017-02-10T13:29:04.744-08:002017-02-10T13:29:04.744-08:00Well put and well thought out.I would love to see ...Well put and well thought out.I would love to see this post on the front page of the "Journal ".<br />At least I can dream.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-64848443645967857702017-02-10T12:36:24.789-08:002017-02-10T12:36:24.789-08:00Dennis, your deep concern for those still trapped ...Dennis, your deep concern for those still trapped in WWCG dogma is on full display. I applaud you for caring and trying to help. <br /><br />True honesty requires us to often question our beliefs, especially those held most strongly. Those remaining in some splinter of the WWCG have not been able or willing to be honest with themselves and are ignoring the "elephant in the room". <br /><br />I know it isn't easy. The longer we have been in, the harder it is to get out. When you jump, be sure a life raft is in place. There is a way of escape, but think it through. The "members" will not help you. They will throw you a cement block.Gerald Bronkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01351342089409543119noreply@blogger.com