tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post4346511875241794714..comments2024-03-29T07:07:46.875-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Lying For God: What Adventists Knew About the Sabbath and Lied AboutNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-43901384169810384982019-12-02T23:15:13.742-08:002019-12-02T23:15:13.742-08:00Changing times and laws not biblical traditions o...Changing times and laws not biblical traditions of men Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-7302984886425801012014-08-10T21:52:48.173-07:002014-08-10T21:52:48.173-07:00
The important question is whether you can prove t...<br />The important question is whether you can prove that the Sabbath is commanded for Christians. The evidence is greatly lacking.<br /><br />August 9, 2014 at 3:42 PM<br /><br />DERP, SERIOUSLY?old EXPCG haghttps://plus.google.com/u/0/113084575537501184298/posts/p/pubnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-19684597015980682772014-08-09T18:27:07.299-07:002014-08-09T18:27:07.299-07:00To be blunt, the NT is so ambiguous on the questio...To be blunt, the NT is so ambiguous on the question (we don't see James railing "The people of the world are willing to acknowledge the other nine commandments - but the Sabbath command is the one they positively REBEL against! It is THE ONE that is the crucial test of obedience! It IDENTIFIES those who have surrendered their wills to God - who OBEY God, regardless of persecution or cost!" at the Council of Jerusalem.<br /><br />Frankly, its ambiguous enough that I'm forced to say "if its so damn important, you think it would be recorded in at least one letter to the Gentiles..."RSKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-15483682393907483432014-08-09T15:42:59.618-07:002014-08-09T15:42:59.618-07:00old EXPCG hag wrote:
"If anyone can prove wi...old EXPCG hag wrote:<br /><br />"If anyone can prove without a doubt..."<br /><br />Can you prove without a doubt that God doesn't scratch his ass?<br /><br />If not, then I'll keep on believing it.<br /><br />Disproof is often very hard.<br /><br />The important question is whether you can prove that the Sabbath is commanded for Christians. The evidence is greatly lacking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-59065964823516563092014-08-09T10:19:16.249-07:002014-08-09T10:19:16.249-07:00I protest!
The Seventh Day Adventists know nothin...I protest!<br /><br />The Seventh Day Adventists know nothing.<br /><br />It all started with William Miller.<br /><br />Did he even keep the Sabbath?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-77696356509131451252014-08-09T08:22:24.225-07:002014-08-09T08:22:24.225-07:00...which came first, creation week or the Jews?...which came first, creation week or the Jews?old EXPCG haghttps://plus.google.com/u/0/113084575537501184298/posts/p/pubnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-88590556713897255802014-08-09T08:20:59.495-07:002014-08-09T08:20:59.495-07:00If anyone can prove without a doubt that the seven...If anyone can prove without a doubt that the seventh day Sabbath was NOT in force beginning on the seventh day of the creation week in the Bible, then I guess I will be stupid if I keep holding on to those verses in Genesis that prove it: <br /><br />King James Bible...<br /><br />And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.<br />old EXPCG haghttps://plus.google.com/u/0/113084575537501184298/posts/p/pubnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-36628209284930012672014-08-09T07:37:23.706-07:002014-08-09T07:37:23.706-07:00" It’s best not to trust humans. Having Faith..."<i> It’s best not to trust humans. Having Faith in Christ our Savior and Creator is a sure thing.</i>"<br /><br />I agree with the first part, that it's best not to trust humans. But that leads to a bump in the road before you get to the second part. How do you know about "christ"? Well, didn't other humans tell you about him, you know, the ones who it's best not to trust? How do you know this "christ" gonna save you? What makes you think he's a creator? Did "christ" tell you these things himself? Or did you hear about it from other humans?<br /><br />So, on the one hand, you don't trust humans. But on the other hand, you're willing to say that some things they've told you are "a sure thing." How do you know the times when they're telling you "a sure thing" from the times when you don't trust them?<br /><br />*Tilt*Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-91745115775084234002014-08-09T01:47:58.398-07:002014-08-09T01:47:58.398-07:00Just because something is "in the Bible"...Just because something is "in the Bible" doesn't make it good!<br /><br />Infanticide?<br />Hatred?<br />So many atrocities?<br /><br />It's good to know that much that's in the Bible comes from pre-Judeo-Christian sources, and is a product of those times.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-71552341480693252382014-08-08T08:02:08.768-07:002014-08-08T08:02:08.768-07:00Why would any thinking person care what Irenaeus o...Why would any thinking person care what Irenaeus or Tertullian wrote or taught? What makes them an authority much less any of the early "Church Fathers" that the evil Catholic Church points to? I was raised Catholic and I have I first hand experience of their crazy, distorted view of God.<br />As bad as the Sabbath was over emphasized in COG, I was freed from a more corrupt understanding as to why humans exist. I never worshiped the Armstrongs or any minister or human. It’s best not to trust humans. Having Faith in Christ our Savior and Creator is a sure thing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-64667772075246527472014-08-08T06:48:13.726-07:002014-08-08T06:48:13.726-07:00In one of the earliest Christian documents, Galati...In one of the earliest Christian documents, Galatians, Paul states: <br />"I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I RECEIVED IT BY REVELATION from Jesus Christ."<br />He then proceeds to cut down the Sabbath and the laws of Moses.<br />So he is no better than Mohammed and Joseph Smith who didn't like the religion of their culture and then CONVENIENTLY "received" "revelation" that Yahweh had changed his mind on stuff they didn't like.<br /><br />Which unproven supersession theory do you believe? Christianity? Islam? Mormonism? none of the above? Minimalisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07394978086891772878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-80920441139321754492014-08-08T03:39:28.675-07:002014-08-08T03:39:28.675-07:00I am so glad that I am out of this Sabbath debate....I am so glad that I am out of this Sabbath debate. I choose when I need to rest. Do you really think that if there is a god that he really cares when we rest?Ednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-21932647948076411902014-08-07T19:54:56.674-07:002014-08-07T19:54:56.674-07:00What some 1st century Christians did, or what the ...What some 1st century Christians did, or what the "early church fathers," may have done however, are irrelevant to a sabbatarian of the Armstrongist variety, if not of the Adventist variety.<br /><br />Armstrongists suppose that there was an original "righteous," but lost, Mosaic worship. Then they suppose Jesus came to restore that. All they want to know about is Moses and (maybe) Jesus. They certainly have no respect for the "early church fathers."<br /><br />However, if the OT is factual, by now we should have found bits of it written in cuneiform orthography on clay tablets. Of the 23,145 verses the OT, not a single one can be securely dated prior to 600 BCE (Ketef Hinnom), and no OT book can be securely dated prior to 250BCE (4QExodf). The complete absence of the Israelites in all the annals of archaeology suggests the OT is a response to Babylonian exile, composed c.600-250BCE.<br /><br />There are many problems with the NT also. The fact the NT texts were all written in Greek and mostly cite from the Septuagint suggesting the NT was written in a Greek-speaking region, perhaps Alexandria, not an Aramaic-speaking region. The ~295 year long gap between Jesus supposed crucifixion in ~30CE and the early church fathers assembling the Christian canon following the Council of Nicea in 325. In this gap a body of Christian writings developed that comprises at least 171 books, out of which the early church fathers fished out 27. And even if they did choose "correctly," (assuming there's any such thing as an "authentic" NT book) there's no guarantee that by the early 3rd century CE that those books that were selected had not been "tampered with."<br /><br />And even if we did have the original, inerrant "word of god," we still wouldn't know what it meant. The bible is one of the most flexible volumes ever composed. The NT was written by Jews for Jews, and originally had a Jewish meaning, albeit, a fringe Judaism. But by the time of Emperor Theodosius' Edict of Thessalonika in 380, the Romans had given that religion, and its texts an anti-semitic meaning, turning whatever the NT texts might have originally meant completely upside-down. In fact, if 1st century Christians, sabbath-keeping and Sunday-keeping alike from 70CE were transported to our time, whatever they had to say would almost certainly be a mixture of pagan, Jewish, and Christian mysticism, and thoroughly heretical to modern Christianity.<br /><br />Armstrongists say they don't like gnosticism, not realizing that they are gnostics. Sabbath-keeping is just one of the rituals they assume will lead to esoteric epiphanies. Despite the ease of getting facts these days, Armstrongists prefer to imagine there's a "true" form of Mosaic worship that was restored in the 1st century. They prefer to think that the Apostle John was exiled to Patmos, where he wrote the book the Revelation and then canonized the NT (though that supposed canon is identical to the one by the early church fathers. They suppose there's a "true" calendar that tells you the "true" dates to keep the "true" festivals on. It's a puzzle, and if YOU manage to put all the pieces together "just right," for long enough, something incredible is going to happen. Of course, besides the fact that it won't, this is a gnostic approach.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-77128931394294795712014-08-07T19:29:29.346-07:002014-08-07T19:29:29.346-07:00Christ and the early church kept the seventh day S...Christ and the early church kept the seventh day Sabbath. <br /><br />It was instituted on the seventh day of creation week in Genesis.<br /><br />God gave it again at Mount Sanai to the "Israelites...12 tribes of Israel (Jacob), after leaving Egypt. The tribe of Judah, (Jews, which the name refers also to Benjamin and some of Levi) is what is meant by "Jews".<br /><br />So, not just a Jewish thing. <br /><br />This isn't Armstrongism, it's in the Bible.old EXPCG haghttps://plus.google.com/u/0/113084575537501184298/posts/p/pubnoreply@blogger.com