tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post4427438875586283345..comments2024-03-29T06:42:44.507-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: UCG Women: Be Seen, Don't Preach, Be Silent and Above All Don't Write In Case A Man Reads Your ArticleNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-40573554691917127762016-06-04T22:31:55.838-07:002016-06-04T22:31:55.838-07:00Ralph, in my opinion you are NOT in the same categ...Ralph, in my opinion you are NOT in the same category as those others. You are much more consistent in your beliefs and attitude. <br /><br />Ralph said:"I remain surprised that so many walked away from the old WCG and apparently brought nothing positive with them. Nothing!"<br /><br />And that is your point of view. Fine. I have no problem with that, as long as you don't say you are speaking for God. <br /><br />Cheers,<br />DBPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-14691960444707902762016-06-04T09:20:41.833-07:002016-06-04T09:20:41.833-07:00There wasn't anything positive to bring. Well...There wasn't anything positive to bring. Well, except for ourselves, that is. WCG was totally negative bullshit. As I have said many times, I seriously wish someone had given old Horace a life supply of condoms, the type with a high concentration of spermatacide.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-32612679617756805762016-06-04T05:42:31.960-07:002016-06-04T05:42:31.960-07:00on June 3, 2016 at 7:46 PM
Anonymous wrote:-
&quo...on June 3, 2016 at 7:46 PM<br />Anonymous wrote:-<br /><br />"I'm glad that Gary lets occasional comments from nuts like TraderJoe, nck and Ralph in here, to help us remember from whence we came."<br /><br />I remain surprised that so many walked away from the old WCG and apparently brought nothing positive with them. <b>Nothing!</b><br /><br />cheers<br />ralph.fRalphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-68926878258436561252016-06-03T19:46:22.793-07:002016-06-03T19:46:22.793-07:00+1+1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-35963852701327573192016-06-03T06:30:48.906-07:002016-06-03T06:30:48.906-07:00As you all know, adjectives such as "mind bog...As you all know, adjectives such as "mind boggling", "astounding", "shocking" and "astonishing" were often used by Herbert Armstrong and his minions. They were used to train cult members' emotional responses and deepen their "us versus the world" milieu.<br /><br />But having been out of the cult for several decades, and having many more years of life experiences and observations under my belt, now, I rarely am truly shocked these days.<br /><br />And, when I read someone's opinion that money sent in to the WCG was "money well spent", and how HWA helped change the world for the better, I must admit that a small part of me wants to say that such opinions are "shocking" and "mind bogglingly" stupid.<br /><br />However, the REALITY is that it's to be EXPECTED that a percentage of people who have been in Herbert's cult will be expressing such opinions.<br />I'm glad that Gary lets occasional comments from nuts like TraderJoe, nck and Ralph in here, to help us remember from whence we came.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-54364735693669259812016-06-02T18:10:47.001-07:002016-06-02T18:10:47.001-07:00"The Japanese emperor doesn't randomly ha..."The Japanese emperor doesn't randomly hand out the highest distinction for foreign civilians to random sleezy salesmen.<br /><br />It was specifically awarded for the Church's involvement to establish Japanese sovereignty of Okinawa. (well it is my point to make it the Church, but it was awarded to hwa of course)"<br /><br />prove it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-85663739878526567892016-06-01T23:32:57.175-07:002016-06-01T23:32:57.175-07:00Steve D.
The tribe moved to the Southern USA as p...Steve D.<br /><br />The tribe moved to the Southern USA as proven by their frequent use of the phrase Dan g - it.<br /><br /><br />BB.<br /><br />As I said. True Armstrongists believe exactly what hwa said, that he had one product to sell. I just regard the many awards and accolades that were heaped upon him to prove that maybe he had 2 or more products to sell.<br /><br />But more importantly anything I say is construed as meaning that hwa was very important and significant. My actual point is that your and my parents and karl beyersdorffer for that matter can take some pride in some of their tithing.<br /><br />If any handicapped child in Jordan can now sustain herself in some small way or if any israeli policeman of palestinian origin was influenced in some way by their small parents doing some dancing with jewish kids in the iccy center. Than that is not proof to me that hwa was the greatest ever. It serves to me that our parents willingly and knowingly send money for some of those causes. (we contributed in a minor way) And at least that money was well spent. So I am doing the work that hwa should have been doing and that is acknowledge the fact that contributions were by church members.<br /><br />Now, of course hwa had no political cloud.<br />Those hundreds of dinners may have served as some sort of catalyst. And as a techie you know the catalyst just remains as it is. Unchanged, as if it served no purpose.<br /><br />I will just focus on just one of those awards, that was awarded when you were still around, to explain my point.<br /><br />The Japanese emperor doesn't randomly hand out the highest distinction for foreign civilians to random sleezy salesmen.<br /><br />It was specifically awarded for the Church's involvement to establish Japanese sovereignty of Okinawa. (well it is my point to make it the Church, but it was awarded to hwa of course)<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-47569034171836690752016-06-01T15:05:57.861-07:002016-06-01T15:05:57.861-07:00Yes, Steve, and yet they missed the Lemba tribe in...Yes, Steve, and yet they missed the Lemba tribe in Africa with all those wonderful Kohanime genes!<br /><br />Nck ~ I do not believe Armstrongism or HWA had any significance with regard to world events or influence in any way upon international diplomacy. I believe that it was a dead end cult that while it certainly impacted all of us, was largely an illusion insofar as the rest of the world is concerned.<br /><br />A salesman can be effective in moving product, or he can be a professional "visitor".<br />HWA moved his deceptive product to all of us, but was nothing more than a professional visitor to international leaders.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-39454992578144239762016-06-01T13:20:15.119-07:002016-06-01T13:20:15.119-07:00HWA taught that similarities in words meant that o...HWA taught that similarities in words meant that one tribe must have migrated there. The tribe of Dan may have named the Danube River. The ebrews (Hebrews) named the Ebro river in Spain. Maybe the tribe of Dan ended up in Vietnam. Want proof? The U.S. had airbase in DANang during the war. So, the lost tribe of Dan must be in SE Asia. What more proof could anyone need?Steve Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03186651595432665670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-74037384510340760942016-06-01T13:06:28.957-07:002016-06-01T13:06:28.957-07:00An interesting expose BB.
I would argue that the ...An interesting expose BB.<br /><br />I would argue that the heyday of TWT would be the time when Ronald Reagan increased defense spending in order to wreck the Soviet Union. These were the times when the doomsday clock was nearing its final minutes. <br /><br />Tbe Catholic raised Gorbachev new exactly that he was dealing with a "madman" who would press the red buttons in order to fight the Evil Empire. A president who was a firm believer in the Apocalypse as was taught in the auditorium he so frequently visited for concert series. Ok he referred to the students as Ambassadroids, but the California Governor/Presidengt shared a vision of Apocalypse with HWA. <br /><br />Gorbachev knew that this was a battle he could not win. Not in economic terms, not in political staying power. HWA made no reservations in his praise for Ronald Reagan.<br /><br />TWT peaked and responses to the telecast even even doubled twice after hwa's passing. Only Robert Schuller had a bigger audience.<br /><br />Then the Soviet Union fell and the mission of all cold wariors was over.<br />Thus there was no use for wcg anymore.<br />There was no necessity anymore for the white mans burden and the special relation between the anglosaxon peoples.<br /><br />For instance immediately after the collapse of the Soviet Union the regime in South Africa was told by the USA to immediately release Nelson Mandela and provide for a regime change.<br />A regime that was nominally supported during the cold war.<br /><br /><br />To understand the peak of wcg is important. In you timeline there is no connection with the cold war. In my timeline there is room for wcg as an instrument in the figth against the Evil empire. The main thrust of it being creating awareness of the official US foreign policy to create a unified Europe as a bullwark against communism ALBEIT WEAK, with feet of clay in order not to be able to turn against its creator the United States. <br /><br />(therefore the official US policy to include Nato ally Turkey into the EC and EU. Which is ridiculous from a European viewpoint but necessary for American Foreign Policy to have a weak but unified Europe.<br /><br />So in order to understand hwa, his message and his mission, you have to adapt your timeline that unfortunately stops the moment you decided to leave the movement. Good for you but not for understanding the true mission of wcg as an operational body.<br /><br />nck<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-18522588336076640532016-06-01T11:55:18.504-07:002016-06-01T11:55:18.504-07:00Also, what if Israel actually means geographic Isr...Also, what if Israel actually means geographic Israel, instead of the clumsy concoction of HWA, used as his salesman's hook to create a sense of urgency amongst his listeners? The majority of the people in Israel today are agnostic, indicating loss of the oracles of the Torah. Also another of the signs of the end was armies amassing around Israel, not around the USA.<br /><br />Keep in mind that this is all reasonable doubt being raised concerning the HWA prophecy mold. According to the Jews, absolute year 6,000 is still over 200 years off, and Chinese and Egyptian history goes much further back than 6,000 years. So do the geological layers which are literally written in stone.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-58649533829978220292016-06-01T08:32:31.398-07:002016-06-01T08:32:31.398-07:00And, of course, the history of prophecy as recorde...And, of course, the history of prophecy as recorded in the Bible was that dire punishments were forecast if warnings went unheeded. If the warnings were heeded, or even partially heeded, then the full brunt of the prophecies would not fall on the subject of the prophecies. But, there had to be a warning that everybody, or the majority, knew about. <br /><br />During the heyday of The World Tomorrow Program, (from about 1955-1975) the Armstrongs were warning about their interpretation of the apocalypse of Revelation. With many trends of the day (war, the upheaval in youth trends, the sexual revolution, rampant pollution of the planet, the disgracement of the president, recession and decline of the dollar), it appeared credible that the times of the end were upon us. However, then TWT became more secularized, it became obvious that the 1972-75 timeline was inaccurate, Garner Ted Armstrong became embroiled in scandal, HWA attempted to soldier on with the broadcast (though painfully obviously way beyond his prime), and the dire appearing trends began reversing themselves. Following the death of HWA, and with the ego-driven splintering, there has not been one clear and powerful or even noticeable voice from the Armstrong movement sounding the necessary or required warning. The closest thing to a warning was the "Left Behind" movement, brought to you courtesy of Sunday keepers. That, for a while, had even greater street buzz than TWT at its apex.<br /><br />I don't even believe we are necessarily in the end times. As in the 1970s, we see a number of disturbing trends. But, these have seemed to come in waves throughout the past. Sometimes they subside or are dealt with and shrugged off by mankind, and in other cases, people adjust their expectations and continue on. The make-up and dynamics of the world change. Communication and easy travel has produced massive immigrations, which have transformed populations from a segregation of the races into more random mixtures, causing great impact on cultural trends. The Armstrong gospel was basically about white peoples' punishment, and preached at a time when the U.S. was 90% white. The memories of the Great Depression, WWII, the holocaust, and the invention of the bomb were still at the front of everyone's minds. The HWA gospel seemed credible in that context to a small proportion of the radio audience. That time, and those conditions have passed. It was all time and date stamped from the beginning, but the ACOGs have attempted to restamp the expiration date following 1975, with dwindling numbers of their own members continuing to find any credibility to it all. The remaining ones are waiting for something to suddenly emerge (events + audible warning) which would validate the prophecies of HWA, because by all measurable standards, that whole prophecy thing is lying smack in the middle of a dead zone. <br /><br />BTW, one addition to my previous post: Revelation describes martyrdom by beheading. Traditionally, the Roman Catholics have burned infidels. Islamic extremists behead them.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-34127651746843807472016-06-01T08:28:46.428-07:002016-06-01T08:28:46.428-07:007:18
I thought that was clear. After rereading I ...7:18<br /><br />I thought that was clear. After rereading I see the critical reader can read only the "travel" was supposed.<br /><br />I mentioned Tea was travelling with her party. A shame no one picked that pun.<br /><br />I liked Tea Leoni in Flying Blind. Of course she is Greek.<br /><br />nck<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-57949407853742020482016-06-01T08:09:03.653-07:002016-06-01T08:09:03.653-07:00Where can I buy some of that Tea Tephi ?
I love ...Where can I buy some of that Tea Tephi ? <br /><br />I love herbal teas! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910856904624749641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-56545022764882022312016-06-01T07:18:47.952-07:002016-06-01T07:18:47.952-07:00I've noticed 'Tea Tephi' mentioned a f...I've noticed 'Tea Tephi' mentioned a few times.<br /><br />She is a legendary character in British Israelite literature from the 1800's and early 1900's. (The type of literature that gave Herbie a "holy spirit herbie boner")<br /><br />Not surprisingly, Herman Hoeh picked up on this legend, too- although it's only legend.<br /><br />Would you believe that some of the characters in the Bible are only legend, too?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-35168795663026879902016-06-01T00:22:47.530-07:002016-06-01T00:22:47.530-07:00BB,
The 2nd clip would probably more to your tast...BB,<br /><br />The 2nd clip would probably more to your taste. Don't play that in the office.<br /><br />www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8WJu6MNfSg<br /><br />www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0DyYLLf3m8<br /><br /><br /><br />Martha<br /><br />As BB said. not much in Armstrongism fits the scientific time frame. I do consider myth an echo of the past though. And of course all mankind travelled along the African rift through the Middle East at one time.<br /><br />www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3377264/Irish-people-descendants-farmers-MIDDLE-EAST-Ancient-Celtic-DNA-shows-agriculture-caused-wave-immigrants-Ireland.html<br /><br /><br />BB,<br /><br />Ik like that expose of the Ottoman Empire, which in land holdings was the successor to the Eastern Roman Empire although Russia (Kiev) was the legal inheritor of the Eastern Roman Empire. <br /><br />The word "nations" is an interpretation of course. We can only find the number 10 in the Apocalypse. Any interpretation would do. (10 nations, 10 clusters of nations, 10 blocs (asean, eu, nafta etc etc) I don't care as long as the prophecies of Rodney King come true. "People can't we just all get along." <br /><br />nck<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-90649747039815386652016-05-31T23:36:20.335-07:002016-05-31T23:36:20.335-07:00Yeah. Dr. David Jeremiah teaches it. I have his ...Yeah. Dr. David Jeremiah teaches it. I have his book "What in the World is Going On?"<br /><br />However, if you think that God is confirming to you through your personal prayers that there will be 5 eastern European nations, and 5 western European nations held together by a miracle performing Pope, then you should be setting up your own ACOG and declaring yourself a prophet like some other people we know. I never met another person who received such confirmations from God. Most pray (as I do daily) and then in retrospect see the hand of God in the way circumstances were worked out.<br /><br />One of the obstacles to this hypothetical ten nation union being Europe was the Cold War. That has gradually changed, and we've seen Germany reunified, but the Russians still hold some sway over some of eastern Europe. The biggest obstacle now is the schism between the Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church, and the Roman Catholic Church, both of which have their roots in St. Paul's gentile churches. Contrary to what we were taught, Simon Magus did not start these churches. Read the works of the Ante Nicene fathers! Some of the original bishops were personally trained by the early apostles after persecution caused them to flee Jerusalem. There is an historic chain, and it is nothing at all like the "True History of the True Church" which was simply creative fiction. The Catholic Church "splinters" would have to reunite under the miracle-performing pope.<br /><br />Also, when you study, don't "read to confirm". Instead, read primary sources, and follow the evidentiary trail. I realize that we were schooled differently in WCG, but the way to really get at truth is by following the evidentiary trail, and applying the scientific method. Don't be afraid of reaching your own conclusions, even though they may differ with the approved ones.<br /><br />There are other empires that the ten nations could have been part of. Did you know that the Ottoman Empire nations, as an example, allied with Germany during World War I? HWA always concentrated on the Roman Empire, and as a Hislop-influenced anti-Catholic, assumed that the Catholic Church was the whore of Babylon. Babylon is located in Iraq, which was part of the Ottoman Empire. Iraq was the center of the Islamic "Golden Age" Isn't it interesting that we are seeing such world-changing activity not from the Catholics, but from the Muslims?<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-81710617331995640212016-05-31T21:38:48.024-07:002016-05-31T21:38:48.024-07:00BB, in a moment of honesty?? I try to be honest w...BB, in a moment of honesty?? I try to be honest with myself all the time, since seeing the world accurately is in my rational self interest. My passion is reading. I read from many different sources, and have learned something from all of them, including Herbie. I do not blindly believe what I read, but rather look for confirmation from a variety of sources such as my experiences and human drives and biases. In fact, rarely do I 100% agree with any book or article. My belief is that Herbie is much like OT Balaam. He was evil, but God did use him. The United States of Europe in there in my bible, five nations from the former eastern leg of the Roman empire, and five from the west. I've noticed that some tele evangelists from other denominations teach this as well. More fundamentally, something you and others keep ignoring, is that God is prayer answering God. He communicates to individuals, not just to church leaders, as these splinters deceitfully claim. God can confirm, or express disagreement with these supposed ten nations and coming tribulation. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-72476073074978626452016-05-31T14:59:15.734-07:002016-05-31T14:59:15.734-07:00Oh, that's right, good old TeaTephi. How could...Oh, that's right, good old TeaTephi. How could I have forgotten about her? Bless her heart.<br /><br />If TeaTephi (in theory) was Israelite/Celtic and brought the Celt/Israelite DNA to Ireland, she would have Celt/Israelite DNA, not DNA from ancient Iberian tribes, right?<br /><br />It stands to reason that mutts like me could have any number of DNA strains. No one in antiquity was preventing mutt ancestors from shipping them around, intermarrying or even from sleeping with their slaves. But one would think royal bloodlines would be a little more well preserved. Marthahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12438486498450616814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-79572272348210254512016-05-31T14:33:53.218-07:002016-05-31T14:33:53.218-07:00Well, I'm just going to make one correction. ...Well, I'm just going to make one correction. I do not believe that everything that HWA forecast should have come to pass. I use that as the basic criteria for whether he was "of God" or concocted it all himself. So, modifying your statement to reflect the truth, I believe that if HWA were "God's Apostle", or "the end time Elijah" everything that he had forecast would have come to pass on the timeline which he provided. It didn't, so he wasn't. End of story.<br /><br />BTW, if you run across any A.I. chips that can be interfaced with the human brain, to make someone able to play guitar like Stevie Ray Vaughan, Eric Clapton, Jimmie Page, or Ritchie Blackmore, let me know.<br /><br />And, yeah. I'm a techie.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-13655110608532599392016-05-31T12:28:47.699-07:002016-05-31T12:28:47.699-07:00btw
Again. Don't take it literal when I say y...btw<br /><br />Again. Don't take it literal when I say you believe this or that.<br /><br />I am just saying when one believes that everything should have come to pass as HWA said, then I can safely label such person as an Armstrongite.<br /><br />My claim is not an attempt to whitewash. My claim is that I see it happening 8 billion relatively healthy humans, fed and living in peace. <br />Perhaps not living a life of freedom in the American sense of the word.<br /><br />But hey, freedom, that was never what the messenger of "the Gods" promised.<br /><br />nckAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-49399559158255432212016-05-31T12:24:36.309-07:002016-05-31T12:24:36.309-07:00BB
The 3 initials allude to old nick (advocate of...BB<br /><br />The 3 initials allude to old nick (advocate of the devil) and some other things that coincide with my identity. I have acknowledged most of which he is acccused so I would not call that an attempt to whitewash.<br /><br />To me you come across as very technical and litteral. <br />You write the word "supposedly" before everything that has an explanation and meaning in the secular world. It only becomes "supposedly" when you are still a believer that everything Hwa said had to be true in the litteral sense.<br /><br />-so armstrongites like yourself read "supposed" diplomacy as a coded gospel message<br />-whereas I just accept the fact of hundreds of dinners with all together hundreds of real diplomats meeting in settings before the internet or faxmachine even<br /><br />Your description of the ego to me is just another indication it was not a religious enterprise at all. But you still seem to believe so.<br /><br />and the list goes on and on and on<br /><br />You believe in a "supposed" world tomorrow that was supposed to come.<br />I accept the fact of a soon coming world order where we are fed by bayer monsanto and act like non warring consumers steered by the intelligence in the cloud. (a word of peace and order) <br /><br />You propose "a beast" and a false prophet.<br />I propose that people or organisations who would fit this role will call themselves differently.<br /><br />Some 10 years ago I would laugh and wet my pants if anyone would ever suggest implanting a chip as a means for me to trade or suggest a mark of the beast type of implant.<br />I would howl that those would be stupid armstrongite theory.<br /><br />Today I just invested many dollars in just that technology. To keep us safe, healthy and wise.<br /><br />It is coming EXACTLY as hwa concocted. Only in a secular way. <br />So no, not a Kitchen, but a Cook perhaps to some. I don't care. <br /><br />I'm investing heavily in the future as I was taught and is unfolding in a major secular way, (trend funds clean water, clean energy, digital communication, security, robotics, biotech) so that at least I can be "King or Priest" in that future.<br /><br />And NO, hwa has no legacy at all. I said he was merely a postman a messenger for those who wanted exact that message out. That this world and man cannot survive as a species unless we yield to "the unseen hand" of the economy and sociology (look that up in your nearest university) that forces man to save its environment and produce peace as one world. <br /><br />And no Putin cannot stop that. Russia was a fairly good investment for the past 4 quarters.<br /><br />nck <br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-28702114885155369132016-05-31T10:38:41.787-07:002016-05-31T10:38:41.787-07:007:18, in a moment of honesty sometime, ask yoursel...7:18, in a moment of honesty sometime, ask yourself what your life and beliefs would be like if you had never heard of, or been influenced by the teachings of HWA. What if you had only studied the Bible, and the teachings of Jesus Christ, and were totally oblivious to all of the extrabiblical theories HWA injected into his theology. But, I know. You don't follow a man. ;-)<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-76454615902346403592016-05-31T10:33:59.169-07:002016-05-31T10:33:59.169-07:00No, nck, HWA could not. He taught that the new wo...No, nck, HWA could not. He taught that the new world order would be controlled by a revival of the Roman Empire headed up by the beast and the false prophet. That he did this while also allegedly indulging in world diplomacy, as a messenger of peace, preaching a message in which a supposedly encrypted gospel message was embedded was duplicitious to say the least. That he bragged to us that some had nominated him for a Nobel Peace Prize is most certainly indicative of the spirit which drove him, his ego.<br /><br />By the way, I've grown curious about your last initial. You wouldn't happen to be one of the Kitchen clan, making a secular-looking attempt to clean up HWA's image and legacy, would you?<br /><br />BB<br /><br />Byker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-79316009790210897592016-05-31T07:59:53.191-07:002016-05-31T07:59:53.191-07:00"Also, a new world order, if that ends up bei..."Also, a new world order, if that ends up being the emerging scenario, could simply be for the purpose of the global management of resources and problems."<br /><br /><br />Could it be possible that HWA was a "mercury" the messenger for the New World Order?<br />He referred to himself as right that, "a messenger"/apostle.<br />Mercury is associated with both "a messenger" and "trade" . (Trade being the "unseen hand" of economic theory.)<br /><br />HWA was merely the postman for those ushuring in the New World Order if you really start investigating the organisations and people he associated with since the 1920's starting with Henry Ford and the Chicago Trade. Selected for his excellent communication skills, exactly the skills for a messenger.<br /><br />nck<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com