tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post4867793043870960975..comments2024-03-28T22:03:24.506-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: LCG to start enforcing pre-engagement "counseling"NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-46061785787143271182017-05-29T09:31:48.153-07:002017-05-29T09:31:48.153-07:00HEY! Are any of you awake. No mot physically but S...HEY! Are any of you awake. No mot physically but Spiritually, LOOK at the world for a moment. How is marriage coming along? I use to study in the field of crime scene techniques. This world if you haven't noticed is pretty SICK. Relationships of all types are falling apart even the God forbidden relationships ( If you don't know, please blow the Dust off your bibles and Read it). Is it really Wrong to try something different? It makes total sense to first find out if one is compatible. I guess you all think marriage counseling while married is stupid also. Getting back to my previous statement, this world and its views are Sick. Many people get married Only to seek something in return. It happens quite often on a daily basis. How many Murders are committed on the honeymoon or within 3 years of the marriage or relationship? I guess they sadly didn't do a good background or knew of a Pre- Counseling ( which may have caught things that raised Flags). The heart is very wicked and you have no idea whatsoever ( its thinking) Yea! Really, If you're not working on a 20,30,40,50 and above marriage then you probably should keep silent ( if that's possible of course). And if you're not married but in a serious longtime relationship for many months or years, then I'm less you are practicing Gods law ( No Fornication) neither of you truly have respect for each other ( Actions Speaks Louder) and you both SIN. Now I ask again, would it hurt to at least find out if a couple is compatible? If not, look at the world and pick which relationship you want. Good luck eventhough I don't believe in it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12050226338455389018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-54486039396370714072017-05-29T08:57:10.306-07:002017-05-29T08:57:10.306-07:00Do you have knowledge of the circumstances concern...Do you have knowledge of the circumstances concerning his past marriage or are you giving an Ignorant opinion. Just asking. Do you even understand Gods law on marriage or are you giving an Ignorant opinion. Are you even married? Or are you divorced? Have you ever committed Adultry or Fornication or even had lust for another Female or male. Before making comments please understand all points or you will simply sound like self-righteous or simply Ignorant. Which one is it?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12050226338455389018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-10456672426309406822017-04-29T17:19:38.058-07:002017-04-29T17:19:38.058-07:00A SCAMTRON test is more like itA SCAMTRON test is more like itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-46829648877060174932017-04-29T03:45:09.242-07:002017-04-29T03:45:09.242-07:00so we are born knowing nothing, but we behave as i...so we are born knowing nothing, but we behave as if we know everything; we reject good advice and sound doctrine in the name of some vain desire to assert independence, despite our inexperience...<br /><br />and when it all goes wrong we partition off in a corner, lick our wounds and pretend nothing bad ever happened...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-61471541866306890942017-04-28T17:52:04.410-07:002017-04-28T17:52:04.410-07:00Connie said:
I have heard plenty of stories of da...Connie said:<br /> <i>I have heard plenty of stories of dating people being grilled about any sexual activity that they may be engaged with and the "wanting of details", level of activity and the like.</i><br /><br />Well there you have it, reflects my story @ 8:20. The person who dumped on me became a "made" (like in the Mafia*LOL*) Armstrongite and did XX hard years (being working class schmucks) in the Armstrong-cult.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-57210784772365484892017-04-28T14:32:08.826-07:002017-04-28T14:32:08.826-07:00Why would any LCG single date ANYONE in LCG? There...Why would any LCG single date ANYONE in LCG? There is too much baggage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-26565563524359503702017-04-28T14:05:31.903-07:002017-04-28T14:05:31.903-07:00The new requirement for pre-engagement counseling ...The new requirement for pre-engagement counseling is LCG's attempt to solve the increasing "problem" of LCG singles dating outside of LCG.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-3951173858935206522017-04-28T02:02:26.097-07:002017-04-28T02:02:26.097-07:00Herb built his church on the sands of tyranny and ...Herb built his church on the sands of tyranny and oppression. So when he kicked the bucket, 'great was the fall of it.' <br />The splinters have learnt nothing, and keep following the deceased Herb into the ditch, over and over again.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-80126633644929334472017-04-27T21:03:11.333-07:002017-04-27T21:03:11.333-07:00This idea of “threading the needle” is wrong. The...This idea of “threading the needle” is wrong. The problem is the conflict between God’s instruction in Isaiah 58 to “cry aloud and spare not” and LCG’s mission to “preach the gospel to the world as a witness”. Nowhere did Jesus tell us to preach the gospel to the world as a witness (Matt 24:14 is a prophecy). So, Meredith had to decide. And he clearly said, “We cannot speak as loudly as we would like on television on subjects like homosexuality and abortion.” How does such a statement square with “Cry aloud and spare not”? It doesn’t. Meredith rejected God’s mission in favor of his own mission. And LCG is doing the work of God better than anyone? Hogwash. <br />Why doesn’t Meredith just do what God says and trust God for the results? Because that would take faith. LCG Expositornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-26437277818510982172017-04-27T18:46:24.243-07:002017-04-27T18:46:24.243-07:00Lol, they've been enforcing it for some time n...Lol, they've been enforcing it for some time now. Me and my husband got put out a little over five years ago for not getting pre-engagement counseling (actually, they kept switching the story of why we were being put out), but that's basically what it stemmed from, even though at the time they said it was more of a suggestion than an actual requirement. But the minister didn't like my family and had a vendetta. Accused me of being pregnant, tried to get me to exchange info on how my parents felt about him as a minister for us being able to attend services, and told that God would not bless the union, etc. We fought it all the way to the top, where we were told by Rod Meredith that he doesn't really deal with these little matters. They pushed baptism counseling on us and said that we would NOT be getting married without being baptized first (although we had been informed previously that this was not something they enforced either), something we knew we were NOT ready for. In the end, we refused to capitulate and we stopped trying to get back in...we still attend one of the churches of God, but not such a nazi-ish one, and we've learned a lot about where a minister's place in one's life is and where it is NOT. <br /> Ended up being the best thing that ever happened to us =DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-21448333277885720712017-04-27T17:33:26.804-07:002017-04-27T17:33:26.804-07:00LCG is becoming more and more like Flury's gro...LCG is becoming more and more like Flury's group week by week.<br /><br />I think because it has been happening over a prolonged period of time, members are less outraged. <br /><br />That plus the fact that members have been fed the lie that UCG and COGWA aren't doing a work (they are easily equal to LCG in that regard). Then there's that load of crap about one-man, God-ordained government they love to ram down the members throats (pretty sure God DID NOT ordain the abusive bullies at LCG HQs). Oh and the fear of change and/or losing ones friends. <br /><br />LCG members are going to get exactly what they deserve. People treat you how you allow them to treat you. LCG members refuse to stand up collectively to the abusive behaviors they see their ministers committing year after year and so the problem just gets worse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-63898973067911339362017-04-27T12:31:48.510-07:002017-04-27T12:31:48.510-07:00This is clearly the LCD ministry acting like overb...This is clearly the LCD ministry acting like overbearing micro managing popes. Why carnt brethren seek God's opinion themselves through prayer, fasting, meditation, bible study...<br />This is blatant control. LCD seem to be taking a leaf out of PCCG and RCG on the controlling ways.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-24502635553003838452017-04-27T12:22:46.297-07:002017-04-27T12:22:46.297-07:00My mother and father were one of those marriages t...My mother and father were one of those marriages that was split up by Rod Meredith. They loved each other deeply and split up because some jackass minister told them to and they thought they were pleasing God. By pleasing God that meant following government. Following government is one of the biggest lies the church has spread over the years. It was nothing more than a tool control members. Thankfully both of my parents had sense enough a few years later to remarry and tell the church how far they could stick it. I look forward to the day Rod Meredith dies. I despise the ungodly man!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-86639263429060724392017-04-27T11:04:33.975-07:002017-04-27T11:04:33.975-07:00John,
You like most in the church, do not understa...John,<br />You like most in the church, do not understand rights. You quote Herbs ministers intervening 'even in the affairs of the personal life of members.' This is NOT 'sound advice' as you claim. Herbs instruction means that members act by permission rather than by right. It means members have NO rights. Herb tries to make this palatable with his 'of course rarely ' qualification comment, but once the principle is established. the 'rarely' is meaningless.<br /><br />It is a psychopathic trait that 'I have all rights, and you have non,' and it is a psychopathic trait of secretly feeling that they own other peoples lives.<br />Neither are 'sound advice' but rather vile and demonic. <br />By contrast, Americas Founding Fathers believed that the role of government is to defend peoples rights rather than steal them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-61712399510337167282017-04-27T10:34:02.959-07:002017-04-27T10:34:02.959-07:00Yes, of course they do. And as people advance in t...Yes, of course they do. And as people advance in the hierarchy, some get big heads trying to show off for their perceived "bosses".<br /><br />Now, someone's going to read that and say "Its like that everywhere". They are correct, I can name/describe some disgusting individuals I work with who engage in similar behavior. However, in the COGs, that tendency was magnified to absurdity. <br /><br />I'm reminded of a humorous anecdote that was on the Painful Truth site decades ago where a former member described a local situation in which two deacons were in charge of setting uo folding chairs in the rented hall each week. They had divided the hall between them because one insisted on using a specific measuring stick to place the chairs (was it a cubit? Cant remember now) while the other used a bucket and string, and using the stick in the bucket-and-string turf or vice versa would earn a meltdown from the affronted deacon. :)RSKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-28043657088752451472017-04-27T08:22:46.548-07:002017-04-27T08:22:46.548-07:00The COGs have a hierarchy and "status system&...The COGs have a hierarchy and "status system". You only get to move up in status with permission of the "higher ups". Its starts with permission to be baptized and moves up ladder. You get "permission" or are designated the "hymnal passer outer" , deacon, elder and so forth. <br /><br />Being married puts you higher up in the pecking order than being a single member, so of course you have to be granted "permission" to do so, or even being involved in a "serious relationship" , which too requires "monitoring" and permission. <br /><br />I have heard plenty of stories of dating people being grilled about any sexual activity that they may be engaged with and the "wanting of details", level of activity and the like. Im not advocating for fornication, but , it is not anybody else's business what your private sexual practices or struggles may be, if not public or shouted to the world. Certainly not for it to fulfill some prurient interest of some "beat off" minister's voyeurism. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910856904624749641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-35354717592536959822017-04-27T08:19:10.313-07:002017-04-27T08:19:10.313-07:00Nowadays, I would say that any man who thought he ...Nowadays, I would say that any man who thought he could dictate that sort of thing to me wouldn't walk away on two legs. Amazing how the COGs can rob someone of basic self-determination... and how many will give it up.RSKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-7303512672597716872017-04-27T08:13:48.586-07:002017-04-27T08:13:48.586-07:00Hard to believe that anyone would submit to such.....Hard to believe that anyone would submit to such... and yet, I remember similar things in WCG as a kid. A Scantron test, really?? RSKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-23470957820145099172017-04-27T07:57:32.624-07:002017-04-27T07:57:32.624-07:00Oh, dandy, the organization founded by a boozing a...Oh, dandy, the organization founded by a boozing alcoholic pedophile committing incest was the apostle and so the perverted alcoholic sex cult of his devising insists that prospective marriage couples come to incompetent unqualified idiots for counselling.<br /><br />So two people are very much in love, committed to one another, open, honest, stable, mature -- just what do you think a mystic myth promoter could bring to the two guys about to marry?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-76499007503770452592017-04-27T07:07:08.875-07:002017-04-27T07:07:08.875-07:00Continuing the soap opera from 8:20..
..I happened...Continuing the soap opera from 8:20..<br />..I happened to run into her unchurched sisters a couple of years after the WCG-engineered union. They said "have you heard, xxxx punched xxxxx in the face; she went to hospital for observation, now she's home with mom!" I was decked by the news (like she was decked by the punch). For all their ballyhoo about "upholding God's law", armstrong ministers actually ignored it: when there is premarital hanky panky, indicative of pheromonal compatibility, the couple must marry, deut.XXII - not be rematched with someone from a locally favored family. The same book says not following this brings a curse, deut.XXIX. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-81133636557261684382017-04-27T06:56:05.688-07:002017-04-27T06:56:05.688-07:00Herbert W. Armstrong on page 23 of the January 195...Herbert W. Armstrong on page 23 of the January 1957 Good News Vol. VI, Number 1 writing on the subject of "Christ Did Put Authority and Rule in His Church" gave all of the hirelings, his little helpers, the following advice:<br /><br />******<br />"...Does God's RULE in His Church give<br />ministers authority to intervene even in<br />affairs of the personal life of members?<br />The answer is, YES, but of course rarely,<br />and only in extreme cases where this is<br />necessary...God's ministers arc required to use<br />wisdom and judgment, and they are<br />never going to interfere in private lives<br />unless there is a Bible reason..."<br />******<br /><br />That sounded like some sound advice back in 1957, but what a mess over the years since those words were written.<br /><br />HWA is dead and the "little helpers" were no longer needed. After the death of HWA many of the little helpers to HWA fled Pasadena's Worldwide Church of God, leaving their ministerial credentials behind, fled in a scattered condition and went out to do their own thing......hence numerous confusing xcog associations, groups and today, thinking they never needed to obey HWA's rule about losing their credentials when they left the organization they were ordained to serve...now foster so much confusion today.<br /><br />I suggest professing ministers of God (god? 2 Cor 11:13-15!) take HWA's 1957 advice to stay out of the private lives of others. And any needing marriage counseling? Go see one trained in Marriage Counseling. Avoid fake ministers!<br /><br />In another sense, the example of ancient physical Israel had been preserved for all mankind.<br /><br />What would happen after Moses' death? Moses knew!<br /><br />"For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death?" Deuteronomy 31:27<br /><br />And spiritual Israel? Same thing? Supposedly, HWA felt "compelled" to "choose" Joe Tkach senior even though something was lacking in Joe, that Joe could not walk in HWA's shoes the same way HWA did. Ooh, was there a prophet amongst us? So, Joe walked in HWA's footsteps, which only went backwards. Huge reversal! Little helpers scattered all over the world, in confusion, blind leading the blind, etc...most still believing that "time is short," that Christ will soon reign on planet earth for 1,000 years, that spirit being angels can't be destroyed, that God would lose a bunch of people and needed some fake, make-believe, 3rd resurrection, that we today live "in the last days," etc.<br /><br />Various "church" peoples would like to get-together as one whole again, but the fake ministers won't allow that b/c each thinks their group is the greatest and fight over sheep, and mammon, that don't even really belong to them...and they all know very little "good news!" There are reasons for the United Ass. getting rid of that "Good News" magazine title. Beyond Today? Huh? What?<br /><br />They, like so many groups, illustrate the existence of such things as another gospel ("good" news), another spirit, and even another Jesus in their doctrines. Even United hoping to require less votes (what did HWA teach you about voting?) to pass watered-down (laodicean?) doctrines to replace existing doctrines can't "see" what has/is happening. Life goes on!<br /> <br />So, will any of these former credentialed WCG little helpers ever yet learn NOT "...to interfere in private lives unless there is a Bible reason?"<br /><br />And when it comes to Bible reasons.......watch out!<br /><br />Time will tell...<br /><br />JohnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-9639471807039177302017-04-27T05:45:29.849-07:002017-04-27T05:45:29.849-07:00After several years of giving "pre-marriage c...After several years of giving "pre-marriage counseling" because I was supposed to and for which I was eminently unqualified to do properly or even wanted to do in church mode, I learned to just ask, "Do you zing each other?" If they said yes with a smile or smirk, they were good to go. If they did not understand the question I told them to wait or forget it. DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-63330960712730254002017-04-27T05:32:57.831-07:002017-04-27T05:32:57.831-07:00I have no doubt that this is another way LCG is tr...I have no doubt that this is another way LCG is trying to grab even more control of its members lives. <br /><br />Once upon a time, Martha dated a COG boy. They got baptized, and everyone thought it was great. They got engaged at the Feast of Tabernacles, and everyone was ecstatic. They went through pre-marital counseling, and everyone applauded. What a great match!<br /><br />Then, about six months before the wedding, Martha's fiances' parents followed a dissenting minister out of the COG group everyone attended. And suddenly all the people who had been so excited about his upcoming marriage suddenly thought it wasn't such a good idea. Now, Martha's fiance didn't live with his parents, or often even attend the same congregation his parents had. But Martha's parents were worried. Martha's minister even counseled her to put the wedding on hold six months. <br /><br />Some of you on this blog have some experience with Martha, and can probably guess what kind of man she'd be likely to marry, so you can also probably guess what our answer was. And while the ignorance of their reaction was the main issue, issues like expensive diamond rings, facility contracts and cake orders did come up, so LCG is right on that matter. <br /><br />Years later, and several years post-COG now, we are still married. Thankfully, our families, and even our COG minister, were relatively reasonable. But if we had been in a more controlling COG group, things could have gotten ugly very fast.<br /><br />This is policy will no doubt be used to control and dominate young people even further. Don't say we didn't warn you.Marthahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12438486498450616814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-51303303691756493722017-04-27T05:24:21.539-07:002017-04-27T05:24:21.539-07:00Let's not forget that in LCG, if your spouse d...Let's not forget that in LCG, if your spouse dare have questions, read the Book of Enoch, have private Bible studies, not submit to doctrinal "upgrades" or a handful of other random, arbitrary offenses, you will be expected by LCG ministry to "walk away" from him in an effort to cause him so much pain and heart-ache that he will realize his error and come running back whole-heartedly to the church with his tail between his legs begging in submission.<br /><br />Many LCG ministers employ this tough love technique but Rod McNair is the master of it.<br /><br />Maybe if Dana left him and took the kids until he straightened up and stopped acting like such a dick there would be hope for him? Maybe, but I doubt it.<br /><br />In all seriousness, telling one mate to leave the other mate to force them into submission is the worst advice ever. Even if it were to work in the short-run, long term it will be a disaster!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-70896638730499983952017-04-27T05:20:57.687-07:002017-04-27T05:20:57.687-07:00In my church area, a number of men avoided all the...In my church area, a number of men avoided all the difficulties by making sure they got married just before joining. There were cases of wife joins and stays, joins and drops out, doesn't join.<br />The only case I know of pre-engagement counseling was a friend, whose girlfriend wasn't interested in joining and was a smoker. The minister approved and they had a church wedding.Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.com