tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post4971747182701919701..comments2024-03-28T22:34:16.707-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Gerald Waterhouse: The Baghdad Bob of ArmstrongismNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-81074176710921420402013-06-15T09:40:02.113-07:002013-06-15T09:40:02.113-07:00"I once heard Gerald Waterhouse say (right af..."I once heard Gerald Waterhouse say (right after Joe Tkach Sr. became the new "Pastor General") during a sermon that ..."<br /><br />He can fly in all directions? He can teleport? He has x-ray vision?<br /><br />Wait, that was Kim il-Sung.RSKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-52731389565796076732013-06-14T22:22:21.447-07:002013-06-14T22:22:21.447-07:00GW was before my time...I have only heard stories ...GW was before my time...I have only heard stories of his marathon sermons from the old timers....some said they were powerful, and some said he was full of crap.<br /><br />I never knew any of the substance of his sermons until reading this.....and if that is a true representation of his preaching, I can say I'm with the latter group, he was full of crap.<br /><br />actually, I doubt that I'd sit thru a 4hr sermon anyway...no matter who was preaching.....dragging it out that long can only be for the glorification of the speaker.<br /><br />besides, it's not heathy to sit for that length of time....anyone ever hear of DVT?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-36376161634665409682013-06-14T14:17:29.850-07:002013-06-14T14:17:29.850-07:00I'm just so glad that at my current church we ...I'm just so glad that at my current church we get to hear scintilllating guest speakers like Jim Caviezel, Kurt Warner and Nick Vujicic. Waterhouse was the Timothy Leary of Armstrongism. Come to think of it, Leary made more sense!<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-42665908157185020012013-06-14T14:05:38.599-07:002013-06-14T14:05:38.599-07:00GW said "Now Christ is in heaven! That's ...GW said "Now Christ is in heaven! That's so far away from this earth, you couldn't begin to measure it in light years! "<br /><br />Wow.that IS far. Can't even be measured in light years. We should then change the scripture to "when the Son of Man comes, will he even find the earth."<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-21015020885606594122013-06-14T11:34:10.709-07:002013-06-14T11:34:10.709-07:00Great stories! I'm glad you can look back and ...Great stories! I'm glad you can look back and laugh at it all now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-66168172439816246312013-06-14T10:28:45.255-07:002013-06-14T10:28:45.255-07:00That was a classic in Tucson, Joe.
If it had been...That was a classic in Tucson, Joe.<br /><br />If it had been me running that scoreboard, I'd have just buzzed the horn and been done with it.<br /><br />"HONNNNNNNNNNNNKKKKKKK!"<br /><br />It SO would have been worth it.Assistant Deaconnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-62036256074282569742013-06-14T08:51:22.578-07:002013-06-14T08:51:22.578-07:00From the "Truth is stranger than fiction depa...From the "Truth is stranger than fiction department"...<br /><br />I once heard Gerald Waterhouse say (right after Joe Tkach Sr. became the new "Pastor General") during a sermon that ...<br /><br />"When we were back in Chicago , back in the day, we had one wicked softball team. One year Joe Tkach hit 29 home runs for us, while playing first base. And BRETHREN, if that doesnt qualify you for Pastor General, I dont know what does! " <br /><br />Honestly, Im not making it up! <br /><br />Waterhouse then went on to describe Tkach shooting down kamikazees as a gunner in WWII aboard ship. It has subsequently been discovered , and reliably reported, that Tkach's ship was a weather ship that was stationed up near Alaska, and that it never saw battle action. <br /><br />Tkach was more than happy though to let Waterhouse perpetuate many myths about his past, including one about a "wildcat strike" at Hupp Aviation on behalf of Tkach's Sabbath observance and being fired over it, and one about Tkach being the "founder" of many congregations. Again, all myth, with no historical or antidotal evidence. <br /><br />Would love to have Jamie and Adam from MYTHBUSTERS do a series of shows on the historical and current COG. <br /><br />Joe Moeller <br />Cody, WY Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08762918803284340960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-50274690680851492612013-06-14T08:40:15.067-07:002013-06-14T08:40:15.067-07:00Once Upon A Time...
Im sitting in services at the...Once Upon A Time...<br /><br />Im sitting in services at the FOT in Tucson, AZ in the mid 70s. It was in a sports arena, one that could host a hockey game or basketball game, and the attendance at the Feast was about 8000. <br /><br />Gerald Waterhouse was the speaker one day. <br /><br />Yes, he want on forever! <br /><br />Behind him , way up on the wall was one of those professional scoreboards for sports. There are lights that come on for each quarter, which are green, and there is a red light that can turn on for a spot called "OT" , which means "Overtime". <br /><br />The scoreboard was completely shut off, until at about the three hour mark for Waterhouse, suddenly the red "Overtime" light came on the scoreboard! <br /><br />Everyone started to laugh, and point and make a bit of a fuss! Waterhouse, noticing that the crowd was distracted from his diatribe, asked the crowd what was going on? Everyone pointed to the scoreboard above and behind him with the distinctive red glowing "overtime" light. <br /><br />Waterhouse got mad! Real Mad! He turned back around and told the audience ..."Who ever is responsible for that overtime light better shut it off right now, or YOU WILL BE DISFELLOWSHIPPED!" <br /><br />In that exact instant, no more than two seconds after that was said, the light was off! It was so fast , that this too made the audience laugh out loud. <br /><br />My hope that God Blessed the man who turned on that OT light and added some comic relief to a dragged out marathon session! <br /><br />Luv, <br />Joe Moeller <br />Cody, WY Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08762918803284340960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-57125762501092800962013-06-14T08:38:45.337-07:002013-06-14T08:38:45.337-07:00"Waterhouse's sermons would sometimes go ..."<i>Waterhouse's sermons would sometimes go on for 3-4 hours saying some of the stupidest things imaginable while the sheeple laughed and chortled</i>."<br /><br />And SLEPT!<br /><br />As for Petra, I'm just going now, and I'll see you guys when god gives you the "signal." That way, I'll make it, even if god doesn't want me there. He'll have no choice. Thanks GW!Head Ushernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-63125169123772607082013-06-14T08:19:53.460-07:002013-06-14T08:19:53.460-07:00It truly boggles the mind that some people believe...It truly boggles the mind that some people believe that the Bible is "The Word of God"<br /><br />Religiously speaking, that idea is indoctrinative craziness at it's worst.<br /><br />Thankfully, we know that it is no such thing!<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-36198609935984866422013-06-14T07:54:19.837-07:002013-06-14T07:54:19.837-07:00It was all part of the carnival to entertain WCG m...It was all part of the carnival to entertain WCG members to keep them hyped and in the fold by telling them nonsense they wanted to hear in a colorful manner. <br /><br />Science has found that there is very little benefit to snake oil and it's not even made from snakes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-63230119911307414872013-06-14T07:10:07.420-07:002013-06-14T07:10:07.420-07:00John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for...John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."<br /><br />Christ did fulfill what the Wave Sheaf of Leviticus 23 was all about. He did ascend to His Father, was accepted by the Father; however after doing so He returned to earth.<br /><br />John<br /><br />MY COMMENT: Wrong! False doctrine. Who taught you this? Jesus only went up once. Use the scriptures, not eisegesis.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07190072973897851057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-82655409278693702702013-06-14T07:04:54.446-07:002013-06-14T07:04:54.446-07:00In my Sabbath Service notes, I found notes comple...In my Sabbath Service notes, I found notes completely useless words 35 plus years later.<br /><br />Richard<br /><br />MY COMMENT: Good grief! You still have your sabbath sermon notes? Man, you need to get a life!<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07190072973897851057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-76301672497415641962013-06-14T06:50:05.302-07:002013-06-14T06:50:05.302-07:00Most speeches and sermons that don't use scrip...Most speeches and sermons that don't use scripts tend to sound startlingly unfocused when transcribed later. We don't speak in complete sentences as much as we think we do.<br /><br />That said, Waterhouse was beyond the pale, and this excerpt is a perfect example of it. What a bunch of incoherent rubbish. The man loved to hear himself talk, nothing more. He loved his reputation for giving long messages. He loved that people anticipated his appearances as if they were some noteworthy event. He loved being thought of as a traveling evangelist, in the tradition of the New Testament apostles, going from city to city to preach and teach. He loved being <i>somebody</i>, and he played it to the hilt.<br /><br />BB is right, that we could ever have considered such drivel to be enlightened and enlightening boggles the mind.<br /><br />As I write this, I just came from a breakfast meeting at a local restaurant. While it was going on, an elderly couple sat down near us, and when their food arrived I noticed that they briefly bowed their heads and asked a blessing -- so quietly we couldn't even hear them. We used to scoff at such things in the COG; but I'm sure more sincere and humble words were uttered in that 15 seconds than we ever heard out of old Gerald's mouth.<br /><br />This is the kind of thing that many in the pro-HWA crowd like to sweep under the rug today, saying things have changed and that their particular group is more understanding, open-minded, and/or inclusive. But Gerald Waterhouse is as much a poster boy for the HWA movement as anyone, and he stands out as an example of how misguided the whole system was, and still is.Assistant Deaconnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-2579207348889272672013-06-14T04:42:32.961-07:002013-06-14T04:42:32.961-07:00I often wonder why some of these characters were k...I often wonder why some of these characters were kept on the payroll of the WCG for so long. David Jon Hill, was a classmate of GTA and perhaps it was simply friendship; Floyd Lochner probably knew to many secrets about HWA and GTA so he may have been kept on the payroll with seemingly little to do to keep him quiet. Gerald Waterhouse and others? Does anyone have any ideas? Certainly they weren't retained for their skills.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-48928138171396411232013-06-14T04:40:07.197-07:002013-06-14T04:40:07.197-07:00A greater waste of human speech and ideas that lea...A greater waste of human speech and ideas that lead to nowhere there never was than GW. He lived on autopilot and never thought outside his very small mind. Sad actually<br /><br />M.T.CraniumAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-53706928289757764772013-06-14T03:30:00.776-07:002013-06-14T03:30:00.776-07:00In that same Gerald Waterhouse transcript on that ...In that same Gerald Waterhouse transcript on that Yahoo site one may also read this: <br /><br /><br />"...you and I and the whole group of people that go into the world tomorrow, must convince all the nations, by going out and proving to them How Christ fulfilled<br />everything that had to do with Second Coming, just like he fulfilled EVERYTHING<br />that had to do with His FIRST COMING! <br /><br />So you are going have to learn what I'm giving and a LOT MORE! You think it's going to be easy?"..."<br /><br />I used to have a lot of respect for GW; however, now I realize he was just providing a lot of entertainment. He may have been very sincere, but he lied a lot. He was "puffed up" and so much revolved around SELF when he spoke.<br /><br />In the above, we must convince? <br /><br /><br />"...must convince all the nations, by going out and proving to them How Christ fulfilled<br />everything that had to do with Second Coming..."<br /><br />Ridiculous! Who has been convinced? And where might a lie be in those words?<br /><br />Take that "second coming" for instance. So many are fulfilling Christ's words in the following way:<br /><br />Matthew 15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.<br />14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.<br /><br />Christ already had a second coming! We know Christ fulfilled a first coming.<br /><br />If GW wasn't so blind he would have been speaking perhaps about a 3rd, 4th, 5th coming? <br /><br />When was a second coming? GW, and all those who still swallow his words hook, line and stinker don't believe the following words of Jesus Christ:<br /><br />John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."<br /><br />Christ did fulfill what the Wave Sheaf of Leviticus 23 was all about. He did ascend to His Father, was accepted by the Father; however after doing so He returned to earth. After Christ's death and resurrection He did do all of that, but didn't stay with His Father. By returning to earth it was a second coming. A second coming is history.<br /><br />Now GW, sincere or not, was calling Christ a liar and so many today still believe that lie.<br /><br />Anyway, a bottom line for me is that GW provided us with a lot of entertainment............and that entertainment, to one degree or another, continues to be displayed in virtually all who continue to have "faith" that Gerald Waterhouse knew what he was talking about. It's about time he was exposed for what he was...perhaps very sincere, but still a misguided entertainer who pointed fingers at others, but was guilty of what he was accusing others of. The xcogs' leaders today in their blindness continue to walk in GW's footsteps...and the people continue to follow too...<br /><br />And life goes on...<br /><br />JohnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-77334768569304950152013-06-14T03:03:18.736-07:002013-06-14T03:03:18.736-07:00The following paragraph is an excerpt from my unpu...The following paragraph is an excerpt from my unpublished essay on my WCG experience and quotes are taken from my handwritten Sabbath Services notes. I have only shared my complete essay with Dennis Diehl recently:<br /><br />In December, 1968, I received my first doses of traveling evangelist Gerald Waterhouse. At a bible study on December 4, I learned World Tomorrow prophecies such as “Job will straighten out the cities” and “Noah will take the job of solving the race problems”. On December 7 (a date that shall live in Worldwide Church infamy), we had a combined church service with other churches at a dark and dingy old rental hall on Eastern Avenue in Baltimore. Reading my sermon notes from this occasion over 40 years later reveal a manipulative message that I now realize was intended to extend control over the peoples’ minds. Waterhouse preaches “God’s people are different from society. The only way you can be out of a society is for God to take you out….God has to take us to a place (of safety) to mold us into the right society”. Waterhouse later preaches, “There will be no rebels in the World Tomorrow. By the end of the work, all the people who stayed loyal will be taken to a place of safety”. <br /><br />END OF EXCERPT <br /><br />Later in my essay I write:<br /><br />In my Sabbath Service notes, I found notes from Gerald Waterhouse sermons (4 hours long, no doubt) and other ministers’ sermons detailing now useless and meaningless dribble. For example, did you know “Waterhouse” means: “go Water the House of God and give it nourishment”? Nice words to re-enforce the Church’s grip on peoples’ lives and wallets, but completely useless words 35 plus years later.<br /><br />RichardLake of Fire Church of Godnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-6812819916127796362013-06-14T02:48:55.617-07:002013-06-14T02:48:55.617-07:00NO2HWA said, “Waterhouse's sermons would somet...NO2HWA said, “Waterhouse's sermons would sometimes go on for 3-4 hours saying some of the stupidest things imaginable while the sheeple laughed and chortled”.<br /><br />MY COMMENT – With all due respect, in the Baltimore, Md.- Washington, D.C. WCG church circuit, Mr. Waterhouse’s sermons ALWAYS went on for 3-4 hours. Not sometimes, ALWAYS!<br /><br />Richard<br />Lake of Fire Church of Godnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-73389493888499266142013-06-14T01:06:50.559-07:002013-06-14T01:06:50.559-07:00This is part of the heritage of incoherence which ...This is part of the heritage of incoherence which some of the latter day unpolished ones such as Bob Thiel draw upon as their example. I have very little tolerance for such rants and could only read about 2/3 of this garbage before throwing my hands up in despair. That we could ever have considered such drivel to be enlightened and enlightening boggles the mind.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.com