tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post5144896474673673734..comments2024-03-28T22:22:32.619-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Marion McNair: Armstrongism: Religion or Rip-Off?NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-53431951068151712312015-06-03T16:08:22.896-07:002015-06-03T16:08:22.896-07:00What is interesting to me is the great difference ...What is interesting to me is the great difference between the two brothers: Marion whose book shows reflection and analysis of the real issues, an inquiry concerned with truth, and Raymond, who throughout his life never showed signs of reflectiveness over the package of beliefs or following HWA. As one of the original students of AC, Marion could have been like the others, kept his head down, said nothing, and continued to receive a paycheck for life. But he wrote the truth, no doubt at cost of family and friendships. Where others remained silent, he spoke. How could the brothers have turned out so differently? Marion is the more noble, honorable one. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-35168975112586041282015-06-03T11:41:05.491-07:002015-06-03T11:41:05.491-07:00I can't wait for the sexual escapade book to c...I can't wait for the sexual escapade book to come out as a movie.<br />Who do you think will have the starring roles?<br /> Frank X. Hazelhurstnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-49514427863250172682015-06-03T10:48:38.741-07:002015-06-03T10:48:38.741-07:00People also need to remember that this book was pu...People also need to remember that this book was published in the early/mid 70's. It's 339 pages of information were highly subversive at the time. <br /><br />Scores of books came out in the late 1960-1980's detailing corrupt leadership, false doctrines, sexual escapades of ministers and evangelists and much much more. Almost all of these were from insiders who saw this stuff go down. <br /><br />The WCG boldly proclaimed that all who read such materials were broaching heretical lies and that members would be kicked out for reading the stuff. <br /><br />With the publishing of the Ambassador Report and the rise of the internet, these kinds of books slowly faded away. Now we see scores of books by people who have left the Armstrongism and wrote about how it damaged parts of their lives or influenced them in ways that was anything but godly. <br /><br />The earlier books were never widely known in the church because of limited advertising. Now the internet has changed all of that. The various COG groups now are constantly in the hot-seat by present members and exmembers. They are being held accountable in ways they never dreamed of. The books form the past were never much of a concern. The mere fact that Rod Meredith had to lambast this blog publicly from his bully pulpit shows how much influence the internet has upon them. NO2HWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-20718202211921012272015-06-03T05:18:52.925-07:002015-06-03T05:18:52.925-07:00Zeroing in on such things as a misspelling, or sho...Zeroing in on such things as a misspelling, or shoddy graphics, is endemic to the COG world: Focus on the form, not the substance.<br /><br />Read the damn thing, children. It's apparent you could stand to learn a thing or two from it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-20709801670606249872015-06-03T00:38:22.733-07:002015-06-03T00:38:22.733-07:00Anon. 6:03, I perceive that thou art a disciple of...Anon. 6:03, I perceive that thou art a disciple of Mr. Diehl! That's one of Dennis's classics from his favorite book on Paul.<br /><br />Seriously, check out what a consortium of commentaries have to say on the topic. biblehub.com/commentaries/2_timothy/1-15.htm<br /><br />The Cliff's Notes are that Paul wasn't talking about all of his churches apostasizing. The setting was that he had been imprisoned once again during the great persecution under Nero. This time, rather than being under house arrest, he was in a physical dungeon. He was very lonely, and was bemoaning the fact that the people who had come there from the churches in Asia to support him at his trial had realized that his situation was basically hopeless, so had gone back home. They probably also feared for their own lives! Without a doubt, he was very concerned for his churches because of the devastating effects of Nero's actions. These were very perilous times for Christians, Paul "knew" his life and ministry were probably over, and was desperate for news and companionship. <br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-18213331256335869972015-06-02T20:40:37.232-07:002015-06-02T20:40:37.232-07:00It was a self-published effort from about 40 years...It was a self-published effort from about 40 years ago, created mostly with a typewriter - so yes, there is a lack of professionalism about its looks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-53890263468900433202015-06-02T19:24:31.872-07:002015-06-02T19:24:31.872-07:00Terrible graphic design, wording, color n layout. ...Terrible graphic design, wording, color n layout. Just saying. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-73216702972523142392015-06-02T18:17:02.484-07:002015-06-02T18:17:02.484-07:00This is a book that I found to be well worth readi...This is a book that I found to be well worth reading for its information on the early days of HWA's Pasadena efforts and for insight into the personalities of some key people. Marion McNair was once an evangelist, a brother of Raymond, an in-law of Rod Meredith. After getting crossways with key players in Big Sandy, he fell from grace with the Armstrongs and by the early 1970s he had been reduced to running a big copy machine with no ministerial responsibilities that I know of. He was certainly bitter and humiliated about what had happened to him but that does not negate the true information that is in the book.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-9014581480386516402015-06-02T18:03:47.322-07:002015-06-02T18:03:47.322-07:00BB. Forgetteth thou not that "all those in As...BB. Forgetteth thou not that "all those in Asia (and Ephesus) have forsaken me", said Paul which also makes him never inspired or guided in the first place as well...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-89682791441720683892015-06-02T15:41:53.942-07:002015-06-02T15:41:53.942-07:00The first two comments don't bode well for thi...The first two comments don't bode well for this posting. LolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-40118212209572672992015-06-02T14:46:27.016-07:002015-06-02T14:46:27.016-07:00It is MR Marion McNair. (Like John Wayne's re...It is MR Marion McNair. (Like John Wayne's real name was Marion Robert Morrison).<br />I, when part of WCG, got to the stage when a letter from HWA would arrive, would think, "Oh great, another demand for money ..."<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-64357843446251709862015-06-02T14:21:20.345-07:002015-06-02T14:21:20.345-07:0011:08, you are forgetting a very important fact! ...11:08, you are forgetting a very important fact! Marion McNair obtained his education from Ambassador College. <br /><br />~Miguel de la RodenteAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-16561292940607811752015-06-02T14:16:06.482-07:002015-06-02T14:16:06.482-07:00Regarding Part II:
It occurred to me that busin...Regarding Part II: <br /><br />It occurred to me that business men like Donald Trump, and Rush Limbaugh, on their paths to success, experienced failures which they erased through bankruptcy, and subsequent reinvention of themselves. That resilient spirit is usually acknowledged as being commendable amongst business leaders, in spite of the fact that the failures and bankruptcy have often financially damaged those who depended on them.<br /><br />However, amongst spiritual guides, is this same cycle of failure and restart commendable as well? I think not! For one thing, if God really were behind these fresh starters, then there must either have been an awful communication problem, or the leader is simply inept in his own listening or following skills. This would seem to render the spiritual guide as unreliable, not to be followed. Common sense tells us that being a real spiritual leader is not a skill set which is to be developed through trial and error. A physician may lose a few patients learning to cap or stent an aneurism, but an "apostle" who walks away from his earlier failed prophecies, or loses his former church, most assuredly was never inspired or guided in the first place, and should have been honest to the point of choosing a different vocation. <br /><br />Any way you stack it up, whether you ponder the incest, the bogus genetic theories, or the illicit attempts to date the apocalypse, if everything in our universe were fair, Herbert W. Armstrong would simply not have existed in the form that was able to influence ourselves and/or our parents. As a spiritual guide, he was the moral equivalent of the backwards ejaculator!<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-35555452908161982362015-06-02T13:45:16.960-07:002015-06-02T13:45:16.960-07:00Who is Marion McNair and how is she related to Rod...Who is Marion McNair and how is she related to Rod!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-47472943682463807762015-06-02T11:08:13.338-07:002015-06-02T11:08:13.338-07:00From the start of Chapter 6 of the book: "Sh...From the start of Chapter 6 of the book: "Shiek, suave, dapper, debonaire, Ted Armstrong is, for all practical purposes, the operational manager of the Armstrong empire..."<br />"Sheik"???....hahahahahahahahahahahah...<br />And this is what you're holding out as a serious expose of the WCG?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com