tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post5261610891231387127..comments2024-03-29T03:57:21.878-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: LCG: Gerald Weston Institutes A Church Wide Fast To Be Held Yearly After The Feast of TabernaclesNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-16541266860127077802018-08-19T02:00:37.445-07:002018-08-19T02:00:37.445-07:00The devil is in the detail anon 6:17The devil is in the detail anon 6:17Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-18982980757943448762018-08-18T18:17:33.798-07:002018-08-18T18:17:33.798-07:00LCG's latest Weekly Update announces the fast,...LCG's latest <a href="https://www.cogl.org/cgi-bin/cogl/weeklyupdates/cogl-wkupdates.cgi?category=WeeklyUpdate1&item=1534640403" rel="nofollow">Weekly Update</a> announces the fast, and also shares some news of ministerial transfers. Jim Meredith is being transferred to Knoxville, Tennessee. You might think this has something to do with his father-in-law living nearby, but look closely at the announcement of the various ministerial transfers. Three other transfers are listed as husband-and-wife transfers, but the announcement says nothing about "Mr. and Mrs." James Meredith moving to Knoxville. It's just Jim:<br /><br /><i>Mr. James Meredith is being transferred to serve in the Knoxville, Tennessee area under Mr. Martin Fannin, and Mr. Lenny Bower will be coming from Knoxville to Charlotte as a ministerial trainee. The moves will occur sometime after the Feast.<br /><br />Mr. and Mrs. Peter Nathan and Mr. and Mrs. Hugh Stewart are settling into their new roles in the U.K., and Mr. and Mrs. Bob Rodzaj, Mr. and Mrs. Phil West and Mr. and Mrs. Adam West are all settling into their new areas and responsibilities in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Little Rock, Arkansas, and New York state, respectively.</i><br /><br />So, which is it? Bad writing, or bad marriage?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-54150332729578704542018-08-18T15:08:46.024-07:002018-08-18T15:08:46.024-07:00It is interesting for all the negative stuff you p...It is interesting for all the negative stuff you post, going hungry gets the biggest response. How will we maintain our place as the fattest nation on earth if we fast?<br />I am not too sure about the timing though - some of us are not as young as we used to be and we will still be recovering from travel and change in diet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-43061428934919931042018-08-18T11:36:22.175-07:002018-08-18T11:36:22.175-07:00I no longer go in for any of this nonsense. If I&...I no longer go in for any of this nonsense. If I'm emotionally upset and don't feel like eating, I don't eat until I feel better. I don't get on my knees in a slave position and utter demeaning prayers to an imaginary deity. I'm no longer into self-torture to try to impress some invisible deity. If all that makes some people feel especially righteous and superior, they can have at it, but I'm not going to afflict myself to impress anyone here or in some non-existent great beyond.Allen Dexternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-87447944377887612712018-08-17T22:55:28.587-07:002018-08-17T22:55:28.587-07:00Not 7:11 but depravity is epidemic within COG spli...Not 7:11 but depravity is epidemic within COG splinters. Fasting is putting a bandaid on a mortal wound.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-25201721025350840352018-08-17T22:17:52.965-07:002018-08-17T22:17:52.965-07:006.25 PM
Interesting point. I believe that Satan an...6.25 PM<br />Interesting point. I believe that Satan and his demons sometimes 'bless' people for morally falling away. For instance, I believe that some Hollywood uncopyrighted scripts are stolen by demons, and passed onto their human followers.<br />But there are differences. Demons don't have the same tool kit and power of God, so their blessings would limited in both quality and length of time. The Nazis always eventually maliciously threw their informers to the dogs, so that says sometime about demonic blessings.<br /><br />Gods blessings are constant and of a greater magnitude than Satans. And lastly, God puts a unique feeling with thoughts He places in peoples mind. God does not allow Satan to imitate this for the sake of communication clarity. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-28396054066208420682018-08-17T22:02:17.958-07:002018-08-17T22:02:17.958-07:00In my church area we had sermons on Gods wisdom of...In my church area we had sermons on Gods wisdom of a fast before the FOT. Which is a scientifically proven better position than the catholic position of having the fast after Mardi Gras.<br /><br />The body will be shocked after a feast of plenty.<br /><br />Ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-53080050822843906672018-08-17T21:35:13.416-07:002018-08-17T21:35:13.416-07:00Fasting is NOT to be done on the Sabbath Day accor...Fasting is NOT to be done on the Sabbath Day according to THE BOOK OF JUBILEES.<br />Book of Jubilees - 50:1-12<br />It is a day of REST and your not suppose to be afflicting yourself on this day. Except Yom Kippur/Atonement Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-5919887202026674792018-08-17T20:21:06.534-07:002018-08-17T20:21:06.534-07:00a fast for fastings sake; an empty gesture what ma...a fast for fastings sake; an empty gesture what makes mr weston feel as if he is doing something, leading, and what not...<br /><br />meanwhile, in the real world: there has been a great falling away, and the man of sin is arising, seducing they what subscribe to The Covenant; fulfilling the prophesy of Daniel 11:21-45...potus #45, actuating the conditions under which the Father would Send the Christ...<br /><br />c f ben yochananAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-46696399029968170682018-08-17T20:14:06.277-07:002018-08-17T20:14:06.277-07:00indeeed, and a son of assyrians now presides over ...indeeed, and a son of assyrians now presides over this nation; go figure...<br /><br />c f ben yochananAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-39203476416980048412018-08-17T19:30:48.061-07:002018-08-17T19:30:48.061-07:00"Once a minister, always a minister!"
W..."Once a minister, always a minister!"<br /><br />Wrong. Once fascinated by the Bible from my youth, its stories, their fantastic claims, generally impossible in real life accounts, conflicting characters and a deep wondering what really happened, who actually wrote it, why, how, when, where and for what reason...always fascinated. I just happen now to have more of the answers I was seeking about the Bible than I did years ago. <br /><br />I took the bait of WCG in the 60's because the Presbyterian Church I grew up in did not ever touch on the topics WCG did. I wanted to be a pastor. I went to AC, which I thought was a legitimate seminary because the AC Catalogue looked legit and courses that all seminaries claim to have. Well, in hindsight they lacked many courses on what they should also have had but then it might disrupt the teachings of the church. <br /><br />Through the years of ministry and knowing what was in the Bible very well, it did not take much to see problems in the stories, the texts and in the characters depicted in the stories. Once I came to understand the Gospels were neither written by the authors whose names are now affixed nor are they eyewitness accounts of anything, all bets on the one true church were fading. Add to this the conflict between the ever Jewish Peter, James and John about who Jesus was and the renegade Paul who only would abide his own views and cursed those who disagreed...the chasm of what's going on here got wider. <br /><br />You as do most, need it all to be literally true. I don't anymore. Beliefs are not truth and I have never met anyone who will say that they know they go to the false church that teaches the wrong things. <br /><br />The Bible is a book that demands it be believed in faith which as we should know by now is what we hope is so even if there is no evidence that it is so. Or as another says, Faith is believing what you know can't be true. Modern Science and the Bible are not compatible and taking "prophecy" to be about us today or in many cases in the OT talking about Jesus in the NT is a huge mistake. Once one realizes that the life of Jesus was written using OT scriptures, which is why they seem so predictive of Jesus, you can't help but change your perspective. Of course, few will get that far in their realizations because of the need to believe otherwise. The fact is that no one knew much if anything about the real birth of a Jesus other than he seems to have been born of fornication or at least that was the more practical charge against him. The Birth stories are both contradictory and fanciful with neither agreeing with the other. They were added to the existing texts to combat the charge against Jesus of having no real identifiable father. <br /><br />I can imagine him asking Mary when young, "Who is my father?" And Mary said ...um..."God is your father," and the boy ran with that the rest of his life to the more practical point of Mary and his brothers having to come and get him, "because they thought he was insane." (Mark 3:21) This was cut out of all other texts to follow as too embarrassing and evidence that Mary had forgotten Gabriel's visit and declaration of what occupied her womb. <br />DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-65759099225390386902018-08-17T18:25:55.515-07:002018-08-17T18:25:55.515-07:00Anon 4:17 PM, let's start with your answered p...Anon 4:17 PM, let's start with your answered prayers, God's blessings and protection. How do these compare to the answered prayers, divine blessings and protections to which my Tibetan Buddhist co-worker attests? Is the same God giving blessings to both of you? Or are your blessings coming from Satan and his coming from God? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-47936086910616914022018-08-17T16:17:16.212-07:002018-08-17T16:17:16.212-07:00Dennis
I have been studying the bible for over 40 ...Dennis<br />I have been studying the bible for over 40 years and would have discerned by now if it was Gods inspired word or not. Your so called contradictions have been addressed by many before, so I'm not going to play that game. I come across these so called 'contradictions' regularly on secular sites that take cheap shots at the bible. Typically they are ignore context, and I don't see how they fail to understand that, considering their intelligence.<br /><br />You say "how about we hear from you and start at Isaiah 28." People in the lunch room don't discuss topics by one person controlling the starting point or similar. This is the minister in you that you fail to acknowledge, though obvious to outsiders. By contrast, how about we start at my answered prayers, Gods blessings and protection. No one is a lunch room has the degree of control that you are trying to exercise on this site. Once a minister, always a minister!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-89271848927997866042018-08-17T15:23:14.163-07:002018-08-17T15:23:14.163-07:00" so it is certainly fine to choose the next ..." so it is certainly fine to choose the next day or another day close to this day. Let us plan now to voluntarily set that day aside, or one close to it,"<br /><br />Day one.... I'm gonna fast today. <br />Six hours later.... Im hungry. I'll do it tomorrow. <br /><br />Day two.... I'm gonna fast today. <br />Three hours later.... Why do I have a Big Mac Attack now????<br /><br />Day three... I'm gonna fast today.<br />Five hours later... I didn't snack. I fasted. Now to go out to eat for the breaking the fast meal!<br /><br />Day four. Ring ring. <br />"HEY! Did you do your fast yet?"<br />"Yep! All done. You?"<br />"I'm just now finishing mine. Man my stomach is growling. Wanna go out and break it with me?"<br />"Um......... SURE! I'M STARVING......" <br /><br />-SHT<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-67608258892934355202018-08-17T14:56:23.193-07:002018-08-17T14:56:23.193-07:00...and as long as we're on the subject, what d......and as long as we're on the subject, what day of fasting either Biblical or extra Biblical as commanded by church leaders ever did one bit of good? Why does going without food make the Deity feel more amenable to answering prayer? How did a fast day ever make the church grow or humble the leadership or solve any problem? It never did. It never does and it never will. <br /><br />Calling a fast gives the leadership a false sense of security and unity in the church. Most just go along to get along and always have. How more humble does one feel after fasting. Did you not already know lack of food and water catches up quickly with a human? <br /><br />Fasting ranks right up there with "Prove me now herewith and see if I don't open the windows of heaven for you..." concerning tithing. It is not true and does not work out that way. And don't tell us "well you have air to breathe and sunshine don't you?" <br /><br /> It simply is a religious ploy to control the "little people" and get their obedience and resources putting the fear, guilt and shame back on them if things don't quite work out. You know..."You have not because YOU as amiss..." when told "ask and ye shall have, seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be opened to you." And if not..well...it's YOUR FAULT. DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-31418578053110194192018-08-17T14:48:34.239-07:002018-08-17T14:48:34.239-07:00"Spoken like your typical Herb minister. The ..."Spoken like your typical Herb minister. The big people ministers are always right and have all the answers. So who are the little people sheeple to disagree and have minds of their own"<br /><br />Nothing presented in an attempt to get those whose views in the COG are cast in stone has anything to do with the concept of "your typical Herb Minister." That has been thrown at me for the last 20 years and ranks as one of the most ignorant and stupid concepts those stuck in their own "you don't have all the answers, but just ask me because I do" idiocy. Anything I present is so that some will THINK and break out of the COG mindset, in this case and posting, that Gerald Weston's fast calling is just more control over what you call "the little people". I have been for the little people, myself being one of them along the way since I first stepped foot in WCG and much more now that I am free of it. <br /><br />Your condescending and ill informed labels and perspective on the whys of my contributions are simply stupid. How about we hear from YOU and just start with Isaiah 28 unless you agree with just about every theologian outside the COG ministry on this small topic already. Or do you hold to it meaning what it does not mean? DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-31265222251061174332018-08-17T13:45:53.217-07:002018-08-17T13:45:53.217-07:00they fasted two days later, probably on the first ...<i>they fasted two days later, <b>probably on the first Sabbath</b> after the Feast</i><br /><br />Probably not. The only times Jews will fast on the Shabbat are Yom Kippur and Tisha B'Av -- although there can be extreme exceptions. Again with those two exceptions, fasting is usually from sunrise to sunset, not sunset to sunset - and when it is the latter, it will be for close to 25 hours, not 24.Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-13090509602057296752018-08-17T12:49:20.789-07:002018-08-17T12:49:20.789-07:00Dennis = maverick
Jody Foster = nck
Poker players ...Dennis = maverick<br />Jody Foster = nck<br />Poker players = literalist thumpers<br /><br />https://youtu.be/oNHfHmDkv3Q<br /><br />Ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-1734346840450285292018-08-17T12:21:49.709-07:002018-08-17T12:21:49.709-07:00The fast is on the Day of Atonement (the tenth day...<br />The <i>fast</i> is on the Day of Atonement (the tenth day of the seventh month), which is <i>before</i> the Feast of Tabernacles (which starts on the 15th day of the seventh month).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-47106197095990403832018-08-17T12:17:52.194-07:002018-08-17T12:17:52.194-07:00Dennis, based on these scriptures, the Sacred Word...Dennis, based on these scriptures, the Sacred Word seems to contain numerous flaws and contradictions. <br /><br />How about Matthew 24:30-35 where Jesus himself predicts the decent of the Son of Man in the clouds before that generation dies out. This is a blatant error spoken by Jesus himself. It did not happen! How can anything be any clearer? Isn't it time to begin to accept logic and reason over cherished beliefs, false hope and emotion? <br /><br />How many decades and centuries need to pass before Christians can admit that the Bible and its end-time prophecies are full of holes and not intended for our time?<br /><br />If you want to be encouraged and lifted up, read "Enlightenment Now" by Steven Pinker. This is a book for people living in the 21st Century. The Bible was not.<br /><br />Old habits die hard.<br /><br />So many people trying to figure out what the Bible is saying to them, when in reality it is saying nothing to people living today. The Bible is not what you have been taught. Sorry.Bible Skepticnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-51151890809191426642018-08-17T12:03:38.783-07:002018-08-17T12:03:38.783-07:00The topic of Isaiah 28:9-11 came up after the deat...<br />The topic of Isaiah 28:9-11 came up after the death of Herbert W. Armstrong in 1986 and the total apostasy of the Tkaches in 1995. HWA had used these verses to explain how to study the Bible. Others now claimed that these verses were just talking about the babbling of drunks, and those who hated HWA immediately believed that theory and quickly exclaimed that HWA had been “wrong yet again.” <br /><br />Notice that the major Bible translations like the KJV from four hundred years ago and the more modern NIV translate these verses the way they do. The NIV does have a footnote that says, “(possibly meaningless sounds; perhaps a mimicking of the prophet's words)”.<br /><br />HWA had taught that, “The full explanation or truth of any one subject is seldom made complete and clear in any one passage. Other portions, factors, or phases of the subject are usually contained in one or several other passages in other parts of the Bible either in the Old or New Testament. A true and full understanding of this subject is profitable only when these perhaps several other passages, scattered throughout the Bible, are put together.” HWA wrote, “I learned that the Bible is like a jigsaw puzzle--thousands of pieces that need putting together--and the pieces will fit together in only one way.” (See <i>Mystery of the Ages</i> by HWA, page xi).<br /><br />I still remember that someone who had been thinking about the matter turned to me in his swivel chair and said the following as I entered his office one day:<br /><br /><b>“Even if Herbert Armstrong was wrong--and I am not saying that he was--and these verses are just talking about the babbling of drunks, rather than 'here a little, and there a little,' nevertheless, that is how the Bible is written. It <i>is</i> written 'here a little, and there a little.'”</b><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-55769729998816343962018-08-17T11:54:04.735-07:002018-08-17T11:54:04.735-07:00I think one of the things that has contributed to ...I think one of the things that has contributed to the rise of christianity as much as anything is the fact that the bible is as long as it is and as contradictory as it is.<br /><br />"Here a little [of this], there a little [of that]." The bible is like a Rorschach test or a mirror: whatever opinion or belief you hold, you always see yourself in it, but with a "divine approval halo" filter.<br /><br />It takes a lot of time, effort, and sheer sustained concentration to notice the "this" over here and the "that" over there at the same time. The bible is long enough so that most people are generally not capable of indexing that kind of thing. By the time you notice the "that," you've long since forgotten the "this," and vice versa. Assuming you don't put the thises and the thats together, then no matter who you are, then YOU are the kind of person the christian god approves of just the way you are. So the christian bible, and therefore christianity, is capable of appealing to almost all simultaneously. Like Paul, the bible, and christianity itself, becomes all things to all men.<br /><br />Taken holistically, however, it becomes obvious that there's practically no topic on which the bible takes a clear and unequivocal stand. If the bible were incarnated as a politician, he'd be the most shamelessly silvertongued panderer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-54416404689975336992018-08-17T11:27:55.105-07:002018-08-17T11:27:55.105-07:00One other point Dennis, I also noticed in an earli...One other point Dennis, I also noticed in an earlier post of yours on how you misrepresented Paul in Romans while trying to point out supposed contradictions.<br /><br />You stated that Paul said no one is justified by the law and then later Paul says that we are justified by the law.<br /><br />Dennis, I don't mind your disagreeing with the bible, but be honest. You know full well that Paul said that not the hearers of the law but the doers will be justified. This says nothing about how they are justified.<br /><br />Clearly we are justified by Jesus' shed blood and his work as advocate for us in heaven not by our law keeping seeing that you know we don't keep the law perfectly.<br /><br />That's why we have an advocate (parakletos) in heaven, Jesus. When we confess our sins to him he forgives us. We are then perfect law keepers in God's eyes and will be justified. Not because we kept the law perfectly but because he did, thus qualifying to be our advocate.<br /><br />I realize that you know or at least knew all this, so your posts on law keeping and justification are irrelevant.<br /><br />Have a great day,<br />KevinKevinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-48117532714745997022018-08-17T11:09:06.621-07:002018-08-17T11:09:06.621-07:00SHT is correct. Gerald so soft-pedals his command...SHT is correct. Gerald so soft-pedals his command that it will be easy for people to ignore. His tone is very revealing as to what the post-Meredith LCG has become. It's not much more than the Rod Meredith Memorial Whitened Sepulchre Society. Weston's admission that he is calling the fast not for some greater purpose but simply because "we always used to do it" is more or less an admission that he is <b>playing church</b> even though Meredith demanded his people <b>not</b> do that!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-43974861995458518712018-08-17T11:00:54.705-07:002018-08-17T11:00:54.705-07:00If Donald Morgan believes those to be contradictio...If Donald Morgan believes those to be contradictions he has that right, I'll never convince him otherwise. Since you copied and pasted part of his web page I guess you agree with him. Ok, great, that too is your right. It doesn't however make you another definition of the same word "right" (don't ya just love english?).<br /><br />You know the explanations, just because you no longer believe them is irrelevant.<br /><br />However, would you believe four eyewitnesses in a jury case who had the exact same story? Everyone perceives things differently. Does that prove the bible? Nope.<br /><br />Does Donald's list of contradictions make them contradictions? Nope. <br /><br />There has been enough written by most all Christian denominations answering these supposed contradictions so there's no point re-inventing the piano. ☺<br /><br />Kevin<br /><br />Kevinnoreply@blogger.com