tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post5386794880625956468..comments2024-03-28T15:57:41.942-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: LCG Fast: Will It Actually "...clean us up and scrub us out, spiritually..."NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-72646303252621662062016-08-01T05:49:53.816-07:002016-08-01T05:49:53.816-07:00Is this fast taking place at the 2016 camp in Ohio...Is this fast taking place at the 2016 camp in Ohio or did it happen in the past? Thanks!Karen aka Trouper, Tripper, Jomohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13710637529584493313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-89904341234930936272016-07-28T15:50:29.193-07:002016-07-28T15:50:29.193-07:00"The LCG fast will NOT accomplish a single th..."The LCG fast will NOT accomplish a single thing other than making a large group of people hungry."<br /><br />"The LCG fast will NOT accomplish a single thing other than making a small group of people hungry."<br /><br />There, fixed it for you.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-56507819190728697282016-07-28T10:20:50.258-07:002016-07-28T10:20:50.258-07:00The LCG fast will NOT accomplish a single thing ot...<i>The LCG fast will NOT accomplish a single thing other than making a large group of people hungry</i><br /><br />Not necessarily so. Some of them could die.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-49064041799157975082016-07-28T04:07:35.859-07:002016-07-28T04:07:35.859-07:00When Hwa was nearing his end, the church was comma...When Hwa was nearing his end, the church was commanded to do the same. It may be that RCM is taking the same approach to convince God to to heal and cast out the "demons" of old age. I just find the whole thing a little pitiable.Mickeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12447091547346560787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-20665520273037960542016-07-28T01:39:05.722-07:002016-07-28T01:39:05.722-07:00Ralph you are right I did not mean future tense. ...Ralph you are right I did not mean future tense. For those who have not accepted it would be future. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01374912687883395553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-31604218468932002742016-07-27T20:56:28.566-07:002016-07-27T20:56:28.566-07:00on July 27, 2016 at 9:41 AM
Floyd 1944 wrote:-
&q...on July 27, 2016 at 9:41 AM<br />Floyd 1944 wrote:-<br /><br />"We just have to be forgiven by the blood of Jesus...."<br /><br />"Have to be" - future tense. I understand that we <b>have been</b>-past tense-<b>already forgiven</b>. See:-<br /><br />"Heb 9:28 So <b>Christ was once offered</b> to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation."<br />and<br />"Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had <b>offered one sacrifice for sins for ever</b>, sat down on the right hand of God;" <i>(AKJ) bolding mine.</i><br /><br />together with surrounding text.<br /><br />cheers<br />ralph.fRalphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09094056276430807523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-41493048904976250652016-07-27T19:33:22.303-07:002016-07-27T19:33:22.303-07:00Having to cry out to, beg and beseech God always s...Having to cry out to, beg and beseech God always sounded a bit as if there wasn't really any God listening. Even as a kid, the idea of having to beg God to listen, bless, hear or do something seemed rather strange. The idea that a human being can not eat food for a day and impress a deity with his humiliation etc also seems lame and petty. <br /><br />Who treats their own children this way? Well except COG parents doing what they are told by men who think they know best how to raise loving and obedient children....and don't have a clue. <br /><br />I'd rather raise critically thinking children who looked for proof of the ideas others throw at them rather than have faith that they are being told the truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-75398758807644353582016-07-27T17:42:02.662-07:002016-07-27T17:42:02.662-07:00The two that were struck down was due to lying and...The two that were struck down was due to lying and deception. Characteristics that are part and parcel in the cog movement. Even now, Rod is using this shameful behavior to threaten his tithe salves to obey and submit to him. Treat the open wounds first by doing that which would give them courage to take those first steps. To knock them farther down with your evolution beliefs, will only turn them off, and make things worse. Once they can stand on their own two feet, allow them to go their own way without resorting to the same methods of fear belittlement that the abusers use.<br /><br />The purpose of this site is to inform and help those that are trapped in this wicked system. It is not, as far as I know, not to turn believers against the Most High, even though some have allowed this poison to overcome them. We must stop blaming Yahweh for the wicked acts of wicked men. To those that have allowed this, I would advise that you give the Most High the room to carry out His plans, and the time to restore your trust in Him. What has occurred to you, has happened to thousands, and their sufferings as well as yours, will be fully understood when the time comes.<br /><br />Don't give up. Eccl.2:20 - 26.<br /> Sweetblood777https://www.blogger.com/profile/11000268749016977800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-45968019227262617052016-07-27T16:07:11.622-07:002016-07-27T16:07:11.622-07:00"Allen, human beings are religious creatures...."Allen, human beings are religious creatures. It is universal through out human history. It's religion that binds societies together. One example, the size of the Roman empire was way out of proportion to its army. It's emperor worship that bound the empire. The religion of today in the west, is variations of socialism. The left wing main stream media, has an easily discernible religious spirit. You can't escape religion."<br /><br />Well, Iceland has done a pretty good job of it, and several other progressive societies are predominantly nonreligious today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-80079747038512790192016-07-27T14:10:55.866-07:002016-07-27T14:10:55.866-07:0012.45PM so Dennis, you have the ability to read th...12.45PM so Dennis, you have the ability to read the motives of people long dead.<br />I'II stick with the plain meaning thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-31376175866927286102016-07-27T14:06:59.062-07:002016-07-27T14:06:59.062-07:0011.40 AM Allen, human beings are religious creatur...11.40 AM Allen, human beings are religious creatures. It is universal through out human history. It's religion that binds societies together. One example, the size of the Roman empire was way out of proportion to its army. It's emperor worship that bound the empire. The religion of today in the west, is variations of socialism. The left wing main stream media, has an easily discernible religious spirit. You can't escape religion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-65753881972294127102016-07-27T13:13:34.711-07:002016-07-27T13:13:34.711-07:00Yes, the reason why Yahweh is just as absent from ...Yes, the reason why Yahweh is just as absent from LCG as every other god has ever been from every other religious institution that has ever existed (at least so far as I can tell), is that aaaaall those lowly peons of LCG are just not measuring up. Yep, that's the reason why nobody ever gets the holy spirit (hey, that's what he said), nobody ever gets healed, nobody ever rises from the dead, and nobody ever exorcises any demons. That's the ticket!<br /><br />Um-hmmmmmmm...Stephennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-17949463427330835042016-07-27T12:45:42.898-07:002016-07-27T12:45:42.898-07:00The story of Annanis n Sapphira is actually a slam...The story of Annanis n Sapphira is actually a slam by Luke against Peter sending the message not to follow peter. You can't really kill people in church without some asking questionsDennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-11969653903540972622016-07-27T11:40:20.222-07:002016-07-27T11:40:20.222-07:00I think the best comment I can make is to share wh...I think the best comment I can make is to share what I wrote on Facebook this morning:<br /><br />Religion will never unite the world. It's totally impossible because the underlying purpose of religion is separation and division for the benefit of those in power who invented the religion and it's subsequent divisions.<br />I just enjoyed a breakfast of bacon and homemade hashbrowns which I first microwaved and then browned in bacon fat and topped the hashbrowns with grated cheese. Right there is something that would horrify any observant Jew on several levels. I consumed an "unclean meat" and contaminated the potatoes with its fat and then added a milk product to the unclean meat meal. Horrors!!!! I even had a mug of milk to top it off, but I don't expect what I ate to ruin my health.<br />I'm very familiar with that scenario. Fifty years ago, I was embroiled in a good part of it. Then I learned a few things. One of them being a comment by a Jewish rabbi that the purpose of many of those restrictions and prohibitions was the creation of "holiness" to keep people isolated and set apart from the people around them. Oh, they'd let them in if they became proselytes and also cut themselves off from their families and fellow tribesmen. That would increase their numbers and their power and wealth.<br />The old cult I was in followed that program to a tee, picking and choosing which nonsensical strictures they chose to hold onto. But, in the end, it is an exercise in futility. That cult has split into hundreds of mini-cults, each choosing its own set of rules and requirements to set themselves apart from the others and then claim to be "god's true church."<br />That vying for power and control -- and, let's be honest, money -- permeates every major religion. The resulting division and strife fills the pages of history with endless bloodshed and atrocities. Anyone who thinks he can "jihad" his way into ultimate control is living in a fantasy.<br />And, politics is another side of the same coin. That's why our founders tried so hard to separate the two, mostly to no avail. Allen C. Dexter<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-65124026888871110612016-07-27T11:07:17.375-07:002016-07-27T11:07:17.375-07:00I learned the mechanics of fasting while a fool fo...I learned the mechanics of fasting while a fool for Herbert. Still a Christian today, when I fast I do it in the manner learned, which was valid (as so few things were).<br /><br />Fasting, as I understand it (now), is to bring a focus into your thought and being whereby you can be GUIDED to God's will. <br /><br />However, fasting was often done by Herbert-worshippers to impress God with the MERE FACT that you were doing it. There was/is always the idea there that you are seeking an ANSWER, but clearly many people fasted with the answer they wanted already in mind, already decided on. The fast was done to MAKE GOD DO as you desired. How many times did I hear, "Well, I FASTED about it," implying "I'm sure that what I WANT to do I can," or "What I want to HAPPEN will."<br /><br />This way of thinking is at work here. How do they MAKE GOD provide more money for more magazines [which 14 non-LCG people might read] and broadcast time [that 6 non-LCG people tune in for], which is what God wants . . . right, Rod? Sheesh.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-23713817999075968782016-07-27T10:19:53.207-07:002016-07-27T10:19:53.207-07:00And to think that I always thought God killed Arab...And to think that I always thought God killed Arabia's and Sapphire for lying to Him. Now I learn that He struck them down because of rebellion against His (ie, Rods) leadership. Resist Rod and God will struck you down.<br />Doesn't the bible say not to add to Gods word?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-45729145016770804992016-07-27T10:07:57.479-07:002016-07-27T10:07:57.479-07:00Rod says 'yield yourself to God.' This is ...Rod says 'yield yourself to God.' This is code for 'yield yourself to your lording minister.' The wording itself implies being passive rather than putting out assertive effort to obey the ten commandments. Another example of torturing the bible to create a paradise for the ministers and their boot lickers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-7466625441423291752016-07-27T09:41:33.449-07:002016-07-27T09:41:33.449-07:00Rod keeps repeating over and over and over how his...Rod keeps repeating over and over and over how his Christians need to cry out, beg God, beseech God to hear them. Wouldn't it be refreshing if he would teach them about Jesus. We don't have to cry out beseech God beg God. We just have to be forgiven by the blood of Jesus pardoned and covered by the Grace of the the lamb of God. Not very complicatedAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01374912687883395553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-22696646658992656212016-07-27T09:27:48.066-07:002016-07-27T09:27:48.066-07:00Steve D. Unlike you I stayed way to long-30 years ...Steve D. Unlike you I stayed way to long-30 years I am sorry to say. I guess the church Herbert founded never measured up because healed the sick or cast out demons. And Rod has never healed the sick even though he has been sinless for over 60 years. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01374912687883395553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-4418343926577481052016-07-27T09:18:56.205-07:002016-07-27T09:18:56.205-07:00RCM certainly won't quote this scripture in su...RCM certainly won't quote this scripture in such a letter, but it's more appropriate:<br /><br />Thus says the Lord GOD to the shepherds: "Woe to the shepherds of Israel who feed themselves! Should not the shepherds feed the flocks?<br /> "You eat the fat and clothe yourselves with the wool; you slaughter the fatlings, but you do not feed the flock.<br /> "The weak you have not strengthened, nor have you healed those who were sick, nor bound up the broken, nor brought back what was driven away, nor sought what was lost; but with force and cruelty you have ruled them. (Ezekiel 34:2-4)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-60193156074736638392016-07-27T08:56:19.995-07:002016-07-27T08:56:19.995-07:00Rod begs his lukewarm (Rod'Stewart word)follow...Rod begs his lukewarm (Rod'Stewart word)followers: "Each of us needs to beg God—on our knees—to collectively clean us up and scrub us out, spiritually, so that we may be worthy of the gifts of His Spirit just as the early New Testament Church was."<br /><br />Why lift up voices on high to beg? Does God really want to hear it?<br /><br />"Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high." Isaiah 58:4<br /><br />What have all of the previous fasts done by the living group accomplished?<br /><br />Rod's voice on high will not be heard and will accomplish nothing.<br /><br />Rod and his followers would accomplish more by attempting to fulfill verses 6-7 of Isaiah 58, but Rod and his leading men take the easy way out and strive to do what God has no interest inot.<br /><br />Rod is all about self. Make oneself worthy? Never happen! Even Doug Winnail still does not grasp that.<br /><br />How long will it be before another such vain letter by Rod be sent out? Why didn't his last fast accomplish anything Rod desires?<br /><br />I agree with the author's conclusion to this post:<br /><br />"...The LCG fast will NOT accomplish a single thing other than making a large group of people hungry."<br /><br />JohnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-33521820234219599332016-07-27T08:33:42.189-07:002016-07-27T08:33:42.189-07:00Clearly, he is attempting to set the tone for some...Clearly, he is attempting to set the tone for some sort of positive synergy. As in the past, he seems to desire the gifts of the Spirit, which largely faded away late in the latter half of the first century.<br /><br />Can these things even come to a church that is steeped in Armstrongism, and still encumbered by HWA's management style? Well, so far, the history doesn't look all that encouraging. The bird flaps its wings, but somehow, like an ostrich, never seems to be able to take flight.<br /><br />A collective is composed of individuals, each with his or own attitudes and thought processes. Who knows if the majority even desire the type of synergy Meredith is seeking? You can't command a unity of minds, just as you cannot command a person to be happy. Fasting is the only technique they know and could apply to acheive the desired unity. Most likely, the majority will participate just because they were told to. If it were going to work this time, it certainly would have worked in the past.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-81478929688369187592016-07-27T08:21:20.394-07:002016-07-27T08:21:20.394-07:00notice how God reacted after He was forced to stri...<i>notice how God reacted after He was forced to strike down Ananias and Sapphira for their obvious cynicism and rebellion against His leadership</i><br /><br />Doesn't Meredith realize that some of the most cynical rebels are <b>his very own ministers</b>?<br /><br />How many pastors do their best to avoid playing Meredith's tiresome and repetitive DVD's to their congregations? <br /><br />How many HQ ministers talk honestly about Meredith to their little circles of friends, while putting on their very best brown-nosing faces every time they face the bitter, angry, senile old coot? <br /><br />How many HQ employees are coming to this site to post news of LCG's latest troubles that Meredith won't share with the membership? <br /><br />John 10:27 says "My sheep listen to My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." Why are fewer and fewer sheep sending money to Meredith? If Meredith was representing the Shepherd, he wouldn't be living in such fear and watching his income dry up. Shepherds don't abuse the sheep under their care.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-46219698107212200542016-07-27T08:18:44.692-07:002016-07-27T08:18:44.692-07:00For him to be quoting from Galatians is ridiculous...For him to be quoting from Galatians is ridiculous. This is one book that he probably understands the least. The ignorance and arrogance of RCM is appalling. I am embarrassed to say that I was once a member of the WCG and a graduate of AC. Thankfully, I was only involved for four years.Steve Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03186651595432665670noreply@blogger.com