tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post5535892741136699797..comments2024-03-28T16:17:27.623-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Did Mr. Armstrong Preach the Gospel to World Leaders?NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-71536659020310145212016-02-18T22:04:27.332-08:002016-02-18T22:04:27.332-08:005.23AM. Sad Sack here. Your rant against me confir...5.23AM. Sad Sack here. Your rant against me confirms my complaints, and gives me credibility. Thank for helping me out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-50198662211883114082016-02-18T09:16:22.826-08:002016-02-18T09:16:22.826-08:00For anonymous at Feb. 18, 3:44 AM:
Ambassador Col...For anonymous at Feb. 18, 3:44 AM:<br /><br />Ambassador College was an institution that retarded growth instead of promoting it. I'm talking about personal and intellectual growth. I can't say about spiritual growth, because the word "spiritual" means something different to just about everybody who uses it. Even if I had a clear idea about what it meant, readers and listeners would all understand something different.<br /><br />Anyway, the expression "yellow pencils" for Ambassador students had not been coined yet at the time I left, but it pretty much nails the kind of conformity we were expected to achieve. All through my childhood and youth, I had been a nonconformist, and it was apparent from the beginning that I did not fit the Ambassador pencil box. Too many rough edges. The Ambassador philosophy of education was to "knock off our rough edges"--a process of reduction rather than growth.<br /><br />If you want a fuller expression of my disappointment in AC, go to "The Painful Truth" blog and check out my articles archived there, under the year 2007.Retired Profnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-48927866463846096202016-02-18T09:07:19.013-08:002016-02-18T09:07:19.013-08:00AC was not a real college. A real college respect...AC was not a real college. A real college respects sound scholarship and allows for discussion of ideas. AC was an indoctrination center. It was a showpiece for HWA. Both the college and HWA were empty suits. They looked good on the outside, but beneath the surface . . . . . nothing.<br />AC grad 73.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-69276922480654275912016-02-18T06:02:17.170-08:002016-02-18T06:02:17.170-08:00nck,
He asked what the "W" stood for, a...nck,<br /><br />He asked what the "W" stood for, and not what the "H" stood for.<br />H is for Herbie, the mass-murdering cult leader.<br />The W, Herbie just made up out of thin air!<br /><br />So we are free to do an "if the shoe fits" thingy on the W.<br />Here are a few possibilities, and you'll notice that like a child's wooden block puzzle, all of the following suggestions fit into Herbie's crooked hole easily-<br /><br />Weeny, Whacky, Wackadoodle, Whopper, Witless, Woozy, Worthless, Wounding, Worshipped, Wormlike, Worst, Wretched, Wrinkly, Wrathful and Wrongheaded.<br /><br />Regards,<br />DubyaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-35226404758295556972016-02-18T05:23:35.983-08:002016-02-18T05:23:35.983-08:00By supporting the work, we are like a mini-me vers...<i>By supporting the work, we are like a mini-me version of God.</i> <br /><br />The above mentioned quote is a great example of the delusion that's kept many in the armstrongist milieu.<br /><br />There was even a sad sack posting here about how people often want to physically assault him.<br />Could it be that the comes off as a total holier-than-thou arrogant jerk towards others?<br />I wouldn't be surprised if that person twists things in his head to see peoples' reactions to his jerkiness as "proof" that he's righteous- and that he secretly likes it and begs for more of it in his prayers!<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-35335909363448212152016-02-18T03:44:41.782-08:002016-02-18T03:44:41.782-08:00Retired Prof, I'm curious. I thought Ambassado...Retired Prof, I'm curious. I thought Ambassador college was about bettering oneself. It is a college after all. So why leave?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-13817420857193791182016-02-17T11:29:18.386-08:002016-02-17T11:29:18.386-08:00Lots of comments on this thread about supporting t...Lots of comments on this thread about supporting the work as a way of growing as a person. <br /><br />I'm only a single data point, so don't take this as a recommendation that will work for everybody. One simple act allowed me to grow as a person: boarding a Greyhound bus and leaving Ambassador College and the church that sponsored it behind.Retired Profnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-86531665184295338212016-02-17T07:45:33.029-08:002016-02-17T07:45:33.029-08:005:12
You asked what the H stood for.
Why not hea...5:12 <br /><br />You asked what the H stood for.<br />Why not hear from the master himself. <br />(not hwa so it's safe)<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6hH3roMe4w<br /><br />nckAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-91712385534614930892016-02-17T07:38:11.816-08:002016-02-17T07:38:11.816-08:005:21, women everywhere had to be on the lookout fo...5:21, women everywhere had to be on the lookout for an "ARM-strong hand from somewhere," because those hands roamed freely, that's for sure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-82750211226248972762016-02-17T07:36:09.100-08:002016-02-17T07:36:09.100-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-1467462683578522162016-02-17T07:02:06.865-08:002016-02-17T07:02:06.865-08:002.43 AM. I go to the gym, and workout very hard. I...2.43 AM. I go to the gym, and workout very hard. I find that praying for the work is as hard as a good workout. And by workout, I mean lifting weights till I go red in the face. So it's self evident that a person builds character and becomes more loving and mature by praying for others. By supporting the work, we are like a mini-me version of God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-1140041109227922892016-02-17T06:46:36.604-08:002016-02-17T06:46:36.604-08:00The bottom line for me is that the Armstrong movem...The bottom line for me is that the Armstrong movement made no second or third steps, at least not of the types that register as being perceivable. HWA made people miserable (but wrestling with their attitudes), managed to live the lifestyle which he always coveted, and then died. Since then, his empire has slowly slidden into ignominy. Perhaps all of us would have been better off if he had taught us the gospel of the invisible hand, but he reserved that one not for the dumb and oppressed sheep, but for those whom he considered to be his rightful peers, the rich and powerful. <br /><br />Not that I'm a follower, but there are those whose lasting influence has commanded a continuing serious group of students around the world, such as Meher Baba, or Yogananda Paramahansa. But, alas. False prophecy and self enrichment enforced by totalitarianism do not wear well once the evil incestuous one has departed. HWA was a net negative. Soon, considering the dwindling core of loyalists, even the lasting negative effects on peoples' daily lifetyles will be gone and forgotten. He did the world a solid when he failed to groom and impose a credible successor who could have taken the movement to the next level. All the pretenders to his mantle have managed to do is to preside over a downward spiral. And, that is the way it should be.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-49930964419653096232016-02-17T06:42:23.784-08:002016-02-17T06:42:23.784-08:00W stood for whackadoodleW stood for whackadoodleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-14743204956986269782016-02-17T06:06:32.353-08:002016-02-17T06:06:32.353-08:00Just like Dave Pack will, HWA destroyed his church...Just like Dave Pack will, HWA destroyed his church over time by just showing up and starting one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-82915694923622962892016-02-17T05:21:48.472-08:002016-02-17T05:21:48.472-08:00When world leaders heard Armstrongs 'strong ha...When world leaders heard Armstrongs 'strong hand from somewhere,' their advisors would have filled them in on the specifics. The scripture about not being ashamed of Christ, refers principly about the way people live their lives. People have a right to privacy by hiding their religious beliefs. Christ Himself sometimes hid some beliefs by refusing to answer certain questions. On some occasions, He physically hid from view. In this one, people seem to be condemning Herbie for using discretion. Unfair!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-4237154203913446492016-02-17T05:12:09.558-08:002016-02-17T05:12:09.558-08:00HWA: do you remember what the W stood for and why ...HWA: do you remember what the W stood for and why he used it? Consider this: Here are the traits of a narcissistic personality: grandiose sense of self-importance, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements; preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success and power: believes that he is "special" and unique and can only be understood by or should associate with, other special or high status people. Requires excessive admiration, has a sense of entitlement and automatic compliance with his expectations. Is interpersonally exploitative, takes advantage of others, lacks empathy, is arrogant and haughty. Now tell me, what names come to mind when reading these symptoms? Are there certain professions that have a higher than average number of such personalities, such as cult leaders?<br />Byker Bob: I like art deco designs also. I rode my motorcycle to Key West a while back and noticed that Miami Beach has an art deco architecture. You purchase antique for a different reason than HWA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-82062025528753852672016-02-17T04:55:22.037-08:002016-02-17T04:55:22.037-08:00I'm 5:35 P.M. Yes, I believe in God and am inv...I'm 5:35 P.M. Yes, I believe in God and am involved in ministries to help others, teaching Scripture and caring for orphans. And yes, there is free will, etc. But there are also psychological issues to consider, also. Narcissism, belief perseverance, confirmation bias, etc. also play a role.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-55100054798701742072016-02-17T02:43:12.407-08:002016-02-17T02:43:12.407-08:00Anonymous 11:38 said:
"Are you aware that sup...Anonymous 11:38 said:<br />"Are you aware that supporting the work is a means of growing as a person?"<br /><br />That is what they've taught you to believe.<br />Did you come up with that on your own, or did you "learn" it from a COG authority?<br /><br />Certainly you didn't come up with it on your own, right?<br />Certainly you didn't wake up one day and say "Hmm, it just struck me that me sending money in to "God's work" is a way of me growing as a person.".<br /><br />No, I believe if you consider it carefully you'll come to the conclusion that that's what they've told you. It is very much in their interest for you to believe that.<br /><br />They need your funds. They want your money, and cannot exist without your money.<br />They really are that weak.<br /><br />They have taught you that "supporting the work" is how you grow as a person, to ensure that you, on your own initiative, will send money to them. Or hand it over on holy days. Or leave your estate in a will.<br /><br />Try not doing it (not sending $), just for a year, and see if your life goes to pot as they claim it will. (I claim it won't.)Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-66203140810578131732016-02-17T02:14:34.672-08:002016-02-17T02:14:34.672-08:0011.48 PM Your "In this sense, the central dis...11.48 PM Your "In this sense, the central disagreement between economic ideologies can be viewed as a disagreement about how powerful the "invisible hand" is." is a common justification for trade. But this altruistic explanation is incorrect. The central reason for trade is that "trade is a social system that respects individual rights." It respects the most fundamental right, the right to life, meaning, every person owning their own life. God has not given some people the lives of others. Rather, God has given every person their own life. Historically, people lives were not regarded as an end to itself, but a means to the ends of others. Hence a persons life was owned by his family, group, church, nation. For instance, in todays COGs, a person is looked upon as a slave of the church. Gods laws, including trade are perfection. So yes, it does lift everyone in a society. But it's a derivative, not the goal of trade. Romans 14 tells us that no person owns another. This also means that people should keep their grubby hands off other peoples lives, and they DO NOT have a right to make unfavorable remarks to others (plenty of that here). Why? because people do not own others lives.<br /><br />Romans_14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. <br /><br />Cheers TradingGuy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-31617429062542835552016-02-17T01:48:54.140-08:002016-02-17T01:48:54.140-08:0011:01
Where is free moral agency in your world vie...11:01<br />Where is free moral agency in your world view? <br /><br />Free moral agency only exists if the opposite opinion is available and studied also.<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_YkdMwEO5U<br /><br />(I love the rabbit bone part.)<br /><br />Why in your opinion would Coca Cola still advertise. This is probably the best known brand in the world with incredible growth and marketshare. They do this to confirm and reconfirm the belief of current users about the values they are part of while consuming this brown sweet drink(freedom, autonomy etc etc), not to win any new customers.<br /><br />As a professional I can tell by what you write and where you live, what products are very likely in your cupboard. Yes, you are the one who by free moral agency decided to acquire those products. How then is it possible that I can predict by at least 60% what you buy and what you wear.<br /><br />Now, I am not saying God isn't answering prayer or that a person can benefit from supporting good works. I'm just reacting to 5:35 observations at ac, that he explained in quite transparant words.<br /><br />nck<br /><br /><br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-80210812572058624472016-02-16T23:48:24.782-08:002016-02-16T23:48:24.782-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-34462981018695697332016-02-16T23:38:09.896-08:002016-02-16T23:38:09.896-08:001.31 PM Note that in your post, all that Herbert A...1.31 PM Note that in your post, all that Herbert Armstrong built was physical. But it was a deck of cards build on sand, if not quicksand. It's like today's world economy built on Fed funny money and credit. It too is about to collapse, just like Herbies empire. Armstrong never built his church on the rock of bible morality. He taught the opposite. His 'give way' (whilst hiding trade) was a rejection and attack on 'don't steal' and 'don't covet.' His 'government is everything' teaching robbed church members of the talents that God gave to every church member in the parable of the talents. These talents are life itself. By exercising these talents people build the mind of God. The purpose of human existence is to learn to exercise these talents in a wise, pro life manner. All greatly hindered by Herbie and his cronies theft of many of these talents. Notice also how the church never magnified the ten commandments. It's all Copeland mumbo jumbo religious talk with no substance. People who have attended services for decades, are still morally confused. Armstrong deserves the lake of fire. <br />Tkach bought the physical church in line with its poor morals. It's Armstrong who destroyed the church in the fundamental sense. Tkach and similar are the effect, not the cause.<br />Cheers TradingGuyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-26782787720728516852016-02-16T23:01:34.571-08:002016-02-16T23:01:34.571-08:005.35 PM, you see this or that bias or dependency ...5.35 PM, you see this or that bias or dependency in church members. Where is free moral agency in your world view? Can it be that church members are growing, biases and dependencies not with standing. Could it be that God answers the prayers of these dependents, and whatever other short coming these people have? <br />I'm curious, do you believe in God? Are you aware that supporting the work is a means of growing as a person? I agree that people are being ruthlessly exploited by the likes of Dave Pack and similar, but you don't want to throw out the baby with the bathwater.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-49777604008611245762016-02-16T22:35:40.623-08:002016-02-16T22:35:40.623-08:00To: Anyone remotely connected with the COGs
Consi...To: Anyone remotely connected with the COGs<br /><br />Consider the gist of this article.<br /><br />WCG (and all offshoots) are/were so insignificant and irrelevant to what's happening in the world it's not even funny. Or it is funny, depending on your viewpoint.<br /><br />The world has not been "warned", nobody knows (or cares) about COG activities.<br /><br />If that's how "God" operates, he is ineffectual indeed.<br /><br />Consider for a moment that the whole thing amounts to nothing more than HWA's pet project into which he succeeded in luring some thousands to provide the funds for it.<br /><br />That's all, the rest is fantasy.<br />Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-80568440824681219992016-02-16T20:30:29.586-08:002016-02-16T20:30:29.586-08:00
THRIFTY!!! Hahahhahahaha. He had gold and silv... <br /> THRIFTY!!! Hahahhahahaha. He had gold and silver valued at hundreds of thousands of dollars.<br />He stole tithes and offerings to fill his home with very expensive luxurious items normal people never own.<br />Just look at the catalog of his things that were sold at auction. Way over the top. <br />Many of the pieces were of pagan gods. <br />Wake upAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com