tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post5828016192883394594..comments2024-03-29T07:07:46.875-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Ignore-ance: Not Just What You Don't Know...But What You Won't KnowNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-3027983814455495952017-07-24T18:01:23.768-07:002017-07-24T18:01:23.768-07:00BB, not a problem, and thanks!
Yes, it would be be...BB, not a problem, and thanks!<br />Yes, it would be better if comments could be inserted.Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-19617795618506727432017-07-23T17:30:27.619-07:002017-07-23T17:30:27.619-07:00Sorry, Hoss. In the mobile version of the blog, i...Sorry, Hoss. In the mobile version of the blog, it's possible to insert a comment between comments, and that's where it remains in the sequence. Adding a little humor because Puppies and Kittens didn't know who Bart Ehrmann was, or even Neil deGrasse Tyson's full name, I thought it appropriate to ask if she was Bob Thiel's new assistant. I forgot that on the desktop version of the blog, my comment would simply appear as the last comment made, appearing as if I sent it in your direction. Glad you took it good naturedly, though, and as a joke. I always enjoy your comments!<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-59387059092914767192017-07-23T14:19:24.576-07:002017-07-23T14:19:24.576-07:00No, that's still a dream job. But sometimes I ...No, that's still a <i>dream job</i>. But sometimes I think of Bob as one of my hobbies...Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-69618972043632310932017-07-23T11:41:07.306-07:002017-07-23T11:41:07.306-07:00Are you the new person Bob Thiel has hired to assi...Are you the new person Bob Thiel has hired to assist in his CCoG offices?<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-44218452371515778362017-07-21T06:22:41.583-07:002017-07-21T06:22:41.583-07:00In his latest sermon (Gospel of Mark part 4) Bob t...In his latest sermon (Gospel of Mark part 4) Bob took issue with this article, but did not refer to <i>Banned</i> by name. He disagreed with a post that he says put the onus on him to prove to the atheist that God exists. He seems to have flipped around between statements like <i>prove all things</i> and it's logical, to show that it's the atheist's responsibility to prove God's existence. <br /><br />Puppies and Kittens:<br /><br />Bart Erhman is professor of religious studies at the University of NC, Chapel Hill, author of a number of books on the NT, early church history, etc, as well as having gone from an enthusiastic evangelist to an agnostic and atheist. <br />Neil DeGrasse Tyson is an astrophysicist and probably best known for his sequel to Carl Sagan's <i>Cosmos</i> series.Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-48276764246846920352017-07-18T16:27:19.811-07:002017-07-18T16:27:19.811-07:00Who the hell is Bart Erhman and DeGrasse Tyson ? Who the hell is Bart Erhman and DeGrasse Tyson ? Puppies and Kittensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-58669215248012706692017-07-18T14:24:39.606-07:002017-07-18T14:24:39.606-07:00With due respect to Allen, based on DeGrasse Tyson...With due respect to Allen, based on DeGrasse Tyson's attribution challenges, Neil DeGrasse Tyson would make a good fundamentalist quasi-COGer in some elements. From the Washington Post (commenting on the validated content of a Federalist.com story about Tyson fabricating "quotes" from certain public figures): "What is really so 'mysterious' is why Tyson finds it so difficult to confess error and pretends that [George] Bush’s 2003 remarks were only just-now discovered. As noted above, Sean Davis [the Federalist author] had pointed to this quote as a potential source from the beginning. Yet if this is the source of the quote, then nearly everything else Tyson claimed about it and its significance is false (as is his initial account of the source of the quote).<br /><br />"Tyson claims to be a man of science who follows the evidence where it leads. The evidence here clearly shows Tyson screwed up. Whether knowingly or not, he regularly repeated a false account in order to cast aspersions on another public figure. The only proper thing to do is recant and apologize." https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/09/22/does-neil-degrasse-tyson-make-up-stories/? Here's a link to the Federalist column: http://thefederalist.com/2014/09/16/another-day-another-quote-fabricated-by-neil-degrasse-tyson/<br /><br />Further, when Degrasse Tyson makes a highly quotable but silly comment like "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it," he puts himself right up there with our favorite evangelists. What broad-brushed "science" is he talking about? The "science" that brought us thalidomide and cold fusion? Good grief.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-89806747020823659762017-07-18T10:51:16.893-07:002017-07-18T10:51:16.893-07:00Sadly, most people avoid controversial subjects be...Sadly, most people avoid controversial subjects because of the hostility and career dampening effects it can have. As a retiree, I don't have to worry about that. If somebody feels hostile toward me, big deal. I couldn't care less. It won't stop my SS check, at least not yet. Give Pence or McConnell a chance, and it might.<br /><br />Allen C. DexterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-92223375674912522362017-07-17T12:31:08.281-07:002017-07-17T12:31:08.281-07:00Thank you Mr. Dexter for commenting back. Most peo...Thank you Mr. Dexter for commenting back. Most people I know here in Indiana are intellectual and educated but most people I know prefer not to talk religion or even politics for that matter. Most of us talk sports(especially NASCAR), fishing & hunting. It is what it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-50913391144812459542017-07-17T12:18:14.364-07:002017-07-17T12:18:14.364-07:00"It is sad that the pinnacle of our civilizat..."It is sad that the pinnacle of our civilization has resulted in so many people spending their whole lives working away and finally collapsing into retirement too old to really do much but look forward to the promised afterlife."<br /><br />Also, usually too broke and/or too sick to do anything else. This society increasingly uses people up, then wants them to quietly crawl off somewhere and have the decency to die and get out of the way. Meanwhile, the larcenous 1% live it up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-959503607855763432017-07-17T11:14:46.567-07:002017-07-17T11:14:46.567-07:00Anonymous 8:54, I appreciate your life is typical ...Anonymous 8:54, I appreciate your life is typical of many working people. Of course HWA found a way out of the humdrum work world by peddling religion and being very successful at it too. You could add to your long work week, by spending all day on Saturday going back and forth to services to listen to the old old story and maybe catch up on a little sleep. I hope you are paid well for your efforts because after tithing and offerings there might not be much left (for those in the HWA world).<br /> <br />It is sad that the pinnacle of our civilization has resulted in so many people spending their whole lives working away and finally collapsing into retirement too old to really do much but look forward to the promised afterlife.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-2606122960344652302017-07-17T10:53:20.484-07:002017-07-17T10:53:20.484-07:00That wasn't clear from your comment. It appea...That wasn't clear from your comment. It appeared you were a biased god defender. I guess you don't have much contact with intellectual, educated and thoroughly grounded atheists.<br /><br />Allen C. Dexter<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-2805085401544013512017-07-16T20:54:46.203-07:002017-07-16T20:54:46.203-07:00As someone who gets up every morning around 4 to g...As someone who gets up every morning around 4 to go to work and be home by 6 in the afternoon and do the same thing for 5 days a week every week the same mundane thing I have been doing for the past 30 years, how the hell does believing in a god or not have any thing to do with my humdrum life. ALL people, atheist or christian, need to get with the program. Anonymous Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-70511256305085939772017-07-16T20:44:03.781-07:002017-07-16T20:44:03.781-07:00Mr. Dexter, My comment is based on my PERSONAL exp...Mr. Dexter, My comment is based on my PERSONAL experience. I am not nor have I ever been a religious person and the only reason I know a tiny bit about Armstrong is that I had a best friend who grew up in that crap. So you are VERY WRONG in your false assumption about me being chauvinistic and biased or even steriopype someone based on my on personal experience. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-39723396561415809842017-07-16T20:18:14.340-07:002017-07-16T20:18:14.340-07:00Hey, you know, its just like people thinking all u...Hey, you know, its just like people thinking all us black folk have George Soros in our phone contacts or something.RSKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-33318627467334313732017-07-16T13:40:17.275-07:002017-07-16T13:40:17.275-07:00"In my experience, I have known atheist throu..."In my experience, I have known atheist through the years who always bring up religion in a conversation and they are VERY hostile about it. The ones I've known always fall under the following categories: unemployed or has a minimum-wage paying job, high school drop out, still lives at home with their parents, and dope heads. This has been my personal experience with the atheist I have known over the years."<br /><br />All I can say is that you're selectively sorting out your atheists to fit your paradigm. It's only in the last couple of decades that I've embraced total atheism. Before that, I was a dedicated Armstrongist actually working for the organization. That was followed by a few decades of searching and agnosticism. I don't have all that much regard for my Ambassador degree and study towared a master's, but my education has never ended and won't until I'm dead. Do I think I know everything. Absolutely not. However, I know that any crreator would have to be vastly superior to anything in this creation and as such, would be impossible not to be apparent and knowable. We don't yet fathom how this creation came about, but we're going to keep on searching and experimenting and it's absolutely certain that if we don't destroy ourselves first, we're going to have vastly more knowledge a generation from now than at present. So far, no evidence of any antropormorphised god anywhere, just a lot of desperate desire and fluff fluff woo woo.<br /><br />Oh, and as for unemployed, I never was for very long and ran my own business in flooring for over forty years. I persevered through divorce and never abandoned my responsibilities as a father and my children love and respect me to this day. At least three of them share my views. The fourth is bi-polar and has real problems. <br /><br />Dope head? I've never even smoked a cigarette. Drink rarely and very moderately because I have a horror of anything controlling me. Will suffer most pains without resorting to pain pills, but I will take a few in extreme cases. <br /><br />As an aside, where would you place someone like Bart Erhman or Neile DeGrasse Tyson? Doesn't fit your chauvinistic and biased steriotype, does it? <br /><br />Allen C. DexterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-17341092015147480162017-07-16T10:05:34.438-07:002017-07-16T10:05:34.438-07:00Move beyond the cliches, 6:12. The holocaust was ...Move beyond the cliches, 6:12. The holocaust was far more extreme than a foxhole, and it is oft cited as the primary stimulus for Jewish agnosticism.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-49570689715062695122017-07-16T05:45:22.477-07:002017-07-16T05:45:22.477-07:00Except we have no foxhole study indicating that.Except we have no foxhole study indicating that.RSKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-65984110715777934022017-07-16T00:03:45.850-07:002017-07-16T00:03:45.850-07:00Anonymous 6:12, you are wrong about there being no...Anonymous 6:12, you are wrong about there being no atheists in foxholes. That saying must have been from a time when society was more religious. If you have been brought up believing in God and religion you very well might call to God when facing death, but if you have grown up atheist or agnostic there is no reason for deathbed mind changing. Most people I have known facing terminal illness did not change their beliefs at the end. The atheists tend to remain atheists even on their deathbed. I have also almost died and really did not change my beliefs, I still felt like an agnostic. It seemed hypocritical to have a sudden repentance, plus I still felt no conviction. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-62846185465522483102017-07-15T18:12:02.175-07:002017-07-15T18:12:02.175-07:00blah, blah, blah, blah......... There are no athei...blah, blah, blah, blah......... There are no atheists in foxholes.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-34999723792398920522017-07-15T16:54:02.984-07:002017-07-15T16:54:02.984-07:00Dennis said, "One of the reasons humans make ...Dennis said, "One of the reasons humans make up and hold comforting beliefs is precisely because we fear death and what will happen to us then. However, really, really believing in something is not the same as knowing what is actually so."<br />Yes, believing in the afterlife is a comfort for some. But so is atheism a comfort. Take for instance Pol Pot, the leader of the "Killing Fields" of Cambodia. He killed about one fifth of his population, lived to an old age, never had to face justice. If he was an atheist, I am sure that it gave him comfort knowing that he "got away with it." Whether or not a belief system provides comfort is not proof as to whether or not the belief is true or false, reasonable or irrational. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-22936095310342276592017-07-15T12:57:24.206-07:002017-07-15T12:57:24.206-07:00Nearly all the atheists I know work or study at a ...Nearly all the atheists I know work or study at a university, and all of them lead respectable lives. In fact, typically they abide by the law better than the average citizen. One of them is an observant Jew who finds the rituals satisfying in their own right, without believing they were truly mandated by a deity. <br /><br />The conclusion, in case you have trouble connecting the dots, is that the charge theists level against the motivation of atheists is unfounded. People do not necessarily abandon a belief in gods for the purpose of throwing off all moral constraints so that they can live a life of crime and debauchery. Some of them even adopt or retain ritual practices they find satisfying.Retired Profnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-13917648046580420272017-07-15T12:00:04.119-07:002017-07-15T12:00:04.119-07:00Anon@1:23AM wrote:
"My personal observation ...<b>Anon@1:23AM</b> wrote: <br />"<i>My personal observation is that generally speaking, the better a persons character, the more likely that person will believe in God, and visa-versa.</i>"<br /><br /><b>Colin Baker (The 6TH Doctor)</b> wrote: <br />"<i>That has also been my experience and also I have noticed with the few atheists I've known they have a criminal record/continually in trouble with the law.</i>"<br /><br />That is the exact opposite of my experience. At best, I see no correlation between beliefs that a person will publicly espouse and the things they'll do when they think no human being will find out about it. If a religious person thinks they can get away with something without human beings finding out, they behave without an ounce of fear that any supernatural being is watching. This applies in spades to those who have set themselves up as ministers or religious leaders.<br /><br /><b>nck</b> wrote: <br />"<i>I never question anyones personal experiences shared.</i>"<br /><br />Christians get upset if their experience is questioned, but when they question the personal experiences of others, they act surprised if we don't like it. They think the golden rule applies to everyone except for themselves.Helen Wheelsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-92115411397351679632017-07-15T11:49:30.189-07:002017-07-15T11:49:30.189-07:008.34 AM
A Christian is qualifying or has qualified...8.34 AM<br />A Christian is qualifying or has qualified for eternal life. The atheist hasn't. That's a big difference. So be sure to study your bible, say your prayers and be good to your mother. Err, and no loose women.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-55433136963252570082017-07-15T11:39:49.601-07:002017-07-15T11:39:49.601-07:00People are hopelessly dumb, whether they are belie...People are hopelessly dumb, whether they are believers or not. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com