tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post5979811331174703203..comments2024-03-28T13:22:17.980-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: COGWA Kicks Out Elder Who Said Church Was Too Lax On Sabbath RequirementsNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-11942170503565701772014-04-04T19:19:46.770-07:002014-04-04T19:19:46.770-07:00Isn't it sad the majority of these men who use...Isn't it sad the majority of these men who used to throw around "you are self righteous like Job" comments, have yet, to learn the real reason Jesus Christ (as THE WORD) allowed Job to be buffeted by Satan the devil himself, while doing what we read in Job 36:17, and Job 38:2, 15, since the majority of men have never learned the difference between their wrestling with the "arm of God" (Job 40:9-14 / Jesus Christ) and some 'high arm' already broken by Jesus Christ Himself personally, simply because men like Adam have always refused to learn from what the true apostles like Peter, James, John and Paul all taught concerning what PURE RELIGION is in God's eyes? (For instance, look at what we read in James 1:27, and ask yourself when was the last time you ever heard that read in your "bundles"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-83365431756754285022014-04-04T19:18:21.475-07:002014-04-04T19:18:21.475-07:00Isn't it sad the majority of these men who use...Isn't it sad the majority of these men who used to throw around "you are self righteous like Job" comments, have yet, to learn the real reason Jesus Christ (as THE WORD) allowed Job to be buffeted by Satan the devil himself, while doing what we read in Job 36:17, and Job 38:2, 15, since the majority of men have never learned the difference between their wrestling with the "arm of God" (Job 40:9-14 / Jesus Christ) and some 'high arm' already broken by Jesus Christ Himself personally, simply because men like Adam have always refused to learn from what the true apostles like Peter, James, John and Paul all taught concerning what PURE RELIGION is in God's eyes? (For instance, look at what we read in James 1:27, and ask yourself when was the last time you ever heard that read in your "bundles"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-69693752371128268702014-01-23T15:22:04.139-08:002014-01-23T15:22:04.139-08:00Who is James Malm?! He claims to have attended wcg...Who is James Malm?! He claims to have attended wcg vancouver and forced out over extremist views regarding Sabbath observance in the 1980's which is humorous as those were the "Back on Track" years under HWA. Hard pressed to find anyone who knew of him. One who knew his wife recalls the overbearing hardship he created on his wife and children causing her to flee and seek refuge with her parents. Did they reconcile? What is he not revealing? Why no photograph or address? Is he still unemployed and receiving govt assistance? Reveal yourself oh wizard of oz.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-77450038076233635302012-11-04T18:35:51.641-08:002012-11-04T18:35:51.641-08:00I am sure there is much more to the story, so we s...I am sure there is much more to the story, so we should reserve judgment.<br /><br />COGWA teaches one should follow their own conscience including eating out on the sabbath.<br /><br />Obvious, to be an elder one should believe at least a certain minimum. I don't know what COGWA considers this to be.<br /><br />However, we can't know the whole story from the letter.Mark Wilsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-41190474600492540512012-10-29T07:58:38.100-07:002012-10-29T07:58:38.100-07:00"I look forward to the time when our merciful..."I look forward to the time when our merciful Father in heaven will bring His children together. . . ."<br /><br />LOL!!!<br />Will that be around the time that all the different Jesuses and YHVHs and Holy Spirits are brought together?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-67370634389986378972012-10-28T17:28:04.342-07:002012-10-28T17:28:04.342-07:00And this is why the "churches of God" ar...And this is why the "churches of God" are Armstrongist cults. If you say no when the admin says yes or you say yes when the admin says no then they have the power to excommunicate you. Why can't they allow free thought in their groups? Because it's all about control. Who controls the power, who controls the money, who controls the people. And politics is what you get as a result. They all seem to put out a united front by their booklets, tv, website, etc. but that's for public consumption! Cause in fact they are totally divided behind the scenes mired in opinions and speculations. It's hypocrisy on a grand scale since they lure new members by their "free" (in word only) material giving the impression they're closer to the Bible than other churches, but in actual fact they're far away from the real God and it's all just lip service and HWA or COG worship.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-54919860771205130302012-10-28T15:02:06.050-07:002012-10-28T15:02:06.050-07:00My latest experiences with Christianity have taugh...My latest experiences with Christianity have taught me that no two Christians think alike. It's the transformed heart that makes a Christian, and how that effects the personal issues and differences with others. God would probably be totally bored if we all expressed our love and worship in exactly the same way.<br /><br />People speak of the unity we all supposedly once enjoyed in old school WCG, but it was all a myth, and any unity we thought we had was certainly not rooted in love. It was due to HWA's legendary temper, and the threat of disfellowshipment and consignment to the Lake of Fire. Anyone whose consciences led them to dissent was compared to Korah or in extreme cases was said to be demon possessed. It's the one area in which we totally differed with the Jews, as uniqueness and dissent are actually encouraged in Temple.<br /><br />One of the most dastardly errors in Armstrongism is failure to teach that God's love for all of us is unconditional. That is God's very character. Yes, there are penalties for wrong choices, and often chastisement, but these are part of a continuing gradual sanctification process, and God does not forsake us even while we are being chastised. <br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-24275584766272316052012-10-28T06:34:56.640-07:002012-10-28T06:34:56.640-07:00Come on! Who's this "innocent" guy t...Come on! Who's this "innocent" guy trying to fool? He WANTS his "brothers and sisters" to know what's going on. That's why he wrote all of this. Why does he want to add fuel to the fire? Well, just like all the rest of the ministurds, Franks, Register, etc, he wants a following. A following means control of their minds(all speaking the same thing, my ass!) and control of their "tithes". At least he didn't end with, "In Christ's Name"...yet.<br /><br />B.B. said, "Paul taught that we should be tolerant and understanding of one anothers matters of conscience, and make accomodation for those still supping on the milk rather than the meat."<br /><br />MY COMMENT: And you're comparing this to one of the Armstrong cults? What "meat"?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07190072973897851057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-52061558761351322902012-10-28T06:18:35.224-07:002012-10-28T06:18:35.224-07:00Keeping ACoGs together is like herding cats.Keeping ACoGs together is like herding cats.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-79589401025909866102012-10-28T06:04:54.707-07:002012-10-28T06:04:54.707-07:00So a COG elder has his own interpretation and chur...So a COG elder has his own interpretation and church leaders showed him the door and he still regards the members as his brothers and sisters and he bears everyone no ill will...<br /><br />...and the sun came up today, and the sky was blue, and the clouds rolled by, and the sun will go down, and my dog knows more about getting along with others than these people do.Assistant Deaconnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-77246434727287781172012-10-27T20:16:15.062-07:002012-10-27T20:16:15.062-07:00Of course, "the church" has the ultimate...Of course, "the church" has the ultimate understanding on all of "what is the right and what is the wrong way to be." The leader's opinion is always the right opinion. That's why everyone must think and speak exactly the same thing. The fact that each church teaches something different is irrelevant because each church is 200% correct within the confines of its own private little universe. (To hop between churches is to hop between universes. I'm pretty sure there's some law of physics that prevents this.)<br /><br />"The merciful (and don't forget, almighty) [and don't forget nonexistant] Father proves powerless to unite them."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-48020936448450485692012-10-27T19:09:57.613-07:002012-10-27T19:09:57.613-07:00"I look forward to the time when our merciful..."I look forward to the time when our merciful Father in heaven will bring His children together. . . ."<br /><br />And yet, like junior high school students, those children keep on forming nasty little cliques. The merciful (and don't forget, almighty) Father proves powerless to unite them.<br /><br />Apparently it doesn't do a bit of good either to pray to God for unity or to plead with the brethren for tolerance.<br /><br />Noah VailAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-61266306835530532612012-10-27T14:58:40.761-07:002012-10-27T14:58:40.761-07:00BB, well said on the matter of conscience. It see...BB, well said on the matter of conscience. It seems that Rickhard Pine in Helli and the gang are into 'don't ask/don't tell' treating those who wisk to keep the same Sabbath they themselves observe with disdain. The same disdain many who contribute to and comment on this blog have for them. <br /><br />Funny the way things work here with these groups. The powers that be ask him to admit to his beliefs submitted by paper then give him a 'chance' to change his mind. The other side of the coin is the non-going out to eat type are continually preaching that as their schtick, constantly badgering others, labeling it as sinful and with an almost in your face glee. <br /><br />A lot of these go hand in hand, the calendar and barely, new moon, etc. Fringe church fringers. How bizarre that people who themselves get forced out of UCG and other places force people out for many of the same arguments. Religious hacks one and all.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-91387633390034990272012-10-27T14:50:50.024-07:002012-10-27T14:50:50.024-07:00Good overview BB. The fact is that it doesn't...Good overview BB. The fact is that it doesn't say "can two walk together unless they be agreed," for nothing. It won't work for this man to stay with his church or his church with him. <br /><br />I religion, people believe there is one way to be, one set of thoughts to think, one practice and way to practice those practices, one God pleasing thing that must be done and one set of rules where all must speak the same thing. <br /><br />Of course, this is all impossible and it was never achieved in or between the characters of Peter, James, John and Paul in the New Testament either. Divide and separate is what humans do best. <br /><br />Men like Weinland, Pack, Meredith and Flurry don't work FOR others. Others work for them. They cause division by their nature and perspectives. They have to set the standards and they get to tell everyone what is the right and what is the wrong way to be.<br /><br />It does not work of course and their beliefs are far different from what may or may not be actually true as we know.<br /><br />Religion is opinion. It multiplies by division and adds to one while subracting from others.<br /><br />Where two or three are gathered together in Jesus name, one has to be in charge, one has to listen and one has to bring the watermelon to the picnic...<br /><br />M.T.Hall Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-30886753341642539032012-10-27T14:32:30.275-07:002012-10-27T14:32:30.275-07:00We can certainly see things, being on the outside,...We can certainly see things, being on the outside, that some of these folks are blinded to. <br /><br />In Paul's time, it would seem that there was hardly what we could classify as unity. Paul's guiding precepts were that whatsoever is not of faith is sin. People do things in their worship of God that gets the conscience involved. He taught that we should be tolerant and understanding of one anothers matters of conscience, and make accomodation for those still supping on the milk rather than the meat.<br /><br />This was never practiced under HWA. People who believed that drinking was not something God would have us do were encouraged to take a plunge past the bounds of their consciences. The whole reason the transformation of WCG from cultic to mainstream Christianity largely failed was this force feeding mentality!<br /><br />If this minister's conscience tells him to be more strict in the keeping of the sabbath, as long as he's not preaching that his own practices are mandatory for everyone, there should be a certain amount of Christian accomodation and tolerance. WCG never really understood conscience, something all of us have to one degree or another. Conscience changes with growth and understanding, and you just can't mandate that. It's one of the aspects which functions as a direct result of one's personal relationship with God.<br /><br />(BTW, I'm not a legalist. I just believe the Bible teaches us to be understanding and loving towards those who are mired by that type of thinking, and that we should only draw the line when they insist that everyone must subscribe to their legalism to "qualify" for salvation.<br /><br />BB Byker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-55745790997679653582012-10-27T12:42:46.576-07:002012-10-27T12:42:46.576-07:00Did James Malm's Shiny Black Hole Blog suck hi...<br />Did James Malm's <b>Shiny Black Hole Blog</b> suck him in, crush his little brain, and spit him out in a different universe?<br /><br />Maybe the COGWA was not for him. The UCG might have been a better choice for his type. He would be allowed to believe whatever he wanted to in the UCG, as long as it was not the truth. He could even say whatever he wanted to in the UCG, as long as it was not the truth.<br /><br />These days, even the roughly 25% who supposedly "survived the WCG apostasy" are getting into all sorts of new (and old) ideas.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-24993402474695013592012-10-27T11:10:32.784-07:002012-10-27T11:10:32.784-07:00Oh, the memories. How observent of the Sabbath we...Oh, the memories. How observent of the Sabbath we all were back there in the early days. Of course, that cramped the style of HWA and the top echelon, so slowly, things moderated.<br /><br />Oh, yes, it's Saturday today. Have to get my work clothes on and go clean some carpet, then change and shave and conduct a wedding ceremony in the early evening. How life has changed with clear thinking and departing nonsense.Allen C. Dexterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06615706118359802452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-31997340667892336762012-10-27T10:20:53.472-07:002012-10-27T10:20:53.472-07:00Sounds to me like James Malm has just gained a new...Sounds to me like James Malm has just gained a new "elder".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-53049638373189362912012-10-27T09:55:45.939-07:002012-10-27T09:55:45.939-07:00Too lax on Sabbath observance? or not following th...Too lax on Sabbath observance? or not following the "biblical calendar"?<br /><br />Sounds to me like he's getting caught up in the "barley thing", looking for the new moon, etc...<br /><br />If so, why would he want to continue with COGWA anyway since they aren't keeping the Feasts on the correct day?<br /><br /><br />I was getting my hopes up though when I read the opening paragraph about "lax Sabbath keeping".....heaven forbid the "churches" be denied the Night To Be Much Observed in a restaurant!!<br /><br />As I have posted in other threads, there seems to be a growing resistance to eating out on the Sabbath amongst the rank and file....surely some ministers must be bothered by it too. Hopefully one day 1 or 2 will go public with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com