tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post6450357798909133092..comments2024-03-28T22:34:16.707-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: What should a Christian minister look like?NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-77764774860075776472017-01-23T06:31:03.303-08:002017-01-23T06:31:03.303-08:00"I guess the same questions go for "mana..."I guess the same questions go for "managers", "presidents" or any other in leadership capacity."<br /><br />Over a decade ago, I was fortunate enough to be a member of an exclusive and private online-forum. The only details worth mentioning here, is that there was hierarchy issues that seem to develop wherever people set up some system for interaction for doing pretty much anything. In short, the same 'ole BS crops up. Finally one day, the admin had reset everyone, including himself, to user. After having put everyone on the same lowest level, some left but most stayed. The few that left could possibly had been the bad seeds? Probably, but we all learned a valuable lesson and it turned out to be the best online experience I had ever experienced. More importantly, it had nothing to do with religion. Maybe that made it easier to learn somethig new about myself and others. <br /><br />DBPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-78717436197858421482017-01-21T23:59:46.869-08:002017-01-21T23:59:46.869-08:00Responding to Miller Jones, January 21, 2017 at 7:...Responding to Miller Jones, January 21, 2017 at 7:39 AM<br /><br />It is not the correct grammar, I was only widening the scope of view. If all you see is what you want to see or want them to see, you could more easily end up in a ditch. Connie quoted the verse without her personal interpretation. I added mine. I just think that the first step is deciding to be honest with the reflection from the mirror first, authenticity will always trump authority or at least it should.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-46782401363504179382017-01-21T12:40:29.036-08:002017-01-21T12:40:29.036-08:00BB, the Armstrongite ministers constantly hijacked...BB, the Armstrongite ministers constantly hijacked scriptures. Not that they have a monopoly on this practice. I find that decades after no longer attending services, I still at times find it hard to see the 'natural' intent of many scripture. If I ignore a book in the bible a long time, then re read it, I see it differently. The church had a world view, then edited and twisted scripture to conform to this view. Even the slivers aren't departing from this rigid world view. Only extensive reading of outside sources can break this mental spell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-50844692845871602542017-01-21T12:24:54.187-08:002017-01-21T12:24:54.187-08:00The bible easily disproves what's today consid...The bible easily disproves what's today considered acceptable minister behaviour. For instance, The bibles 'don't condemn' (don't take the law into your own hands) is recognition of peoples right to due process (a fair trial). But we all know that ministers verbally bashing members is rampant. <br />The bible isn't the true reference point of modern day Christianity. About a decade ago, a article in the Good News magazine stated that according to a five year study, Christianity is simply following secular politics. I had already noticed this. Tele evangelist program content changed according to whom is in the White House and the political climate. Morally, Christianity follows left wing politics. It's right wing in some areas like abortion and defence, but not morally. Observe left wing tactics and minister behaviour. They are very similar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-7458656380346898492017-01-21T11:01:12.910-08:002017-01-21T11:01:12.910-08:00Sometimes just a wink or a smile coming through fr...Sometimes just a wink or a smile coming through from Father God can make all the difference in the world in terms of what kind of day or week we are having!<br /><br />What I find to be both ironic and intriguing is that there have been large patches of time in which the Bible was totally unavailable for the majority of humans to read and understand. And now that it has been readily accessible for hundreds of years, it has been so discussed, and so interpreted, and so many teachers have come forward with their various "truths" that the Bible has been largely obscured and rendered virtually inaccessible by this process, in spite of its ubiquitousness. So many claim to have the truth and the correct understanding, failing to comprehend that their own state of being openly counters even the remotest possibility of this being true. This was never truer than in the case of Armstrongism.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-43007540120816670162017-01-21T07:39:57.797-08:002017-01-21T07:39:57.797-08:00Anonymous 1/21/17/1:57, While "be like" ...Anonymous 1/21/17/1:57, While "be like" is the correct grammar, I prefer the way that I expressed it - I think that's the way most folks think about it (as the appearance of a genuine minister). Connie can speak for herself, but I think you paint with too broad a brush. I tend to be more optimistic about people - I think that people can be bright spots (even with all of the dark corners that are inherent to being human). In other words, it is possible to reflect God's goodness in our own lives.Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02865316200703641028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-38642200111010027452017-01-21T06:28:32.727-08:002017-01-21T06:28:32.727-08:00Great quote, Connie - the NLT is my favorite trans...Great quote, Connie - the NLT is my favorite translation of the Bible.<br />Minimalist, glad to see that you haven't disappeared. I do, however, wish that you would stop misrepresenting my views. As I have said on a number of occasions, I view the statements attributed to Christ in the gospel accounts to be more reliable than you do (After all, I am a believer). However, I have never said that those statements reflect what Jesus Christ actually said with 100% accuracy (Indeed, I don't believe that is necessary). You continue to see Scripture as an either/or proposition (a holdover from your days in Armstrongism).Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02865316200703641028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-15702780154110419312017-01-21T01:57:13.963-08:002017-01-21T01:57:13.963-08:00"What should a Christian minister look like?&...<i>"What should a Christian minister look like?"</i><br /><br />What would a Christain minister BE like? <br />There, I fixed it for you, no charge. ;)<br /><br />Connie Schmidt quoted:<i>"But you are not like that, for you are a chosen people."</i><br /><br />Chosen by whom? Jesus Christ or men? Why would a all-powerfull God rely on a corruptable man for his press-secetary, or attorney general? It seems that when the leaders in armstrongism take possession over the sheep, that is supposed to be the same thing as belonging to God(Universe?) <br /><br />Connie Schmidt quoted:<i>"As a result, you can show others the goodness of God, for he called you out of the darkness into his wonderful light."</i><br /><br />But they can't do that, or BE that, so they will fake it. They desprately want you to see how much they shine while they have no light within. It's a con.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-91386570968508460692017-01-20T11:16:38.445-08:002017-01-20T11:16:38.445-08:001 Peter 2:9New Living Translation (NLT)
9 But you...1 Peter 2:9New Living Translation (NLT)<br /><br />9 But you are not like that, for you are a chosen people. You are royal priests,[NOTE: Present Tense) ] a holy nation, God’s very own possession. As a result, you can show others the goodness of God, for he called you out of the darkness into his wonderful light.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910856904624749641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-49150012504092337312017-01-20T09:31:00.298-08:002017-01-20T09:31:00.298-08:00Another confusing Miller Jones screed where he say...<br />Another confusing Miller Jones screed where he says the NT has cultural bias/distortion (it does) <b>but then he takes Christ-sayings as authoritative?!</b> <br /><br />If anything, the views in the epistles should take precedence for believers because the Gospels/Christ-sayings are later & faker - with some scholars seeing the <b>very creative</b> Gospel writers <b>using</b> Paul (along with Josephus, Homer, OT...)Minimalisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07394978086891772878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-83033100836800384222017-01-20T07:05:45.366-08:002017-01-20T07:05:45.366-08:00I believe that a minister absolutely should... wea...I believe that a minister absolutely should... wear clothes in public.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-39673908241129025242017-01-20T04:25:42.354-08:002017-01-20T04:25:42.354-08:00Anonymous 1/19/17/10:58, My post was directed at b...Anonymous 1/19/17/10:58, My post was directed at believers. To a non-believer, the points made in it would be meaningless. Nevertheless, your "No True Scotsman" fallacy is misapplied. You may need to reread the post. My objective was to have believers reconsider the issue by asking a number of questions related to the book they hold up as their standard (the Bible) and common sense reasoning. YOU introduced the concept of what constitutes a "true" Christian. Hence, you have employed the straw man fallacy to defeat the points which I was really attempting to make.Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02865316200703641028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-81659982935736340072017-01-20T00:57:25.479-08:002017-01-20T00:57:25.479-08:00I guess the same questions go for "managers&q...I guess the same questions go for "managers", "presidents" or any other in leadership capacity.<br /><br />I guess All MEN are ministers unto others. But not all are registered within a systemic organizational form. There are many ways groups organize themselves within certain circumstance.<br /><br />I think I would leave if someone like Paul would be ordained in the ministry. On the other hand I stayed when HWA was awarded by persons who murdered large parts of my family.<br /><br />It just depends on the way one would like to be organized.<br />The Church of England recently had a major split in all international areas on the issue of women in the ministry. Not an issue in the 1800 hundreds.<br /><br />I would regard the current Pope a minister unto humankind. But I wouldnt credit 99% of his predecessors. As a matter of fact the Sovereign order of the Knights of Malta is about to break away as they are in a power struggle with the current Pope.<br /><br />I don't really care anymore on a personal level since we are in the Post History time. And all is well as we enter the World Tomorrow where Monsanto and Cargill will feed all.<br /><br />After some kind of time of chaos or within such time I will probably seek organization within a group of strong men. But now within the framework of a peaceful and wealthy society transgenders are educated enough to teach me something on humanity.<br /><br />It's all relative to time, place and circumstance.<br />In the Kingdom I wouldn't easily accept a "human" minister. On the other hand perhaps that was why God sent Jesus. <br /><br />nck<br />nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-8496849577756090612017-01-19T22:58:34.805-08:002017-01-19T22:58:34.805-08:00"Over at Banned by HWA, several of the most r..."<i>Over at Banned by HWA, several of the most recent posts on that blog have provoked a great deal of thought about what constitutes a genuine Christian minister. While most of us would readily admit that an adulterer and murderer would not qualify, agreement seems to break down when other issues are considered.</i>"<br /><br />The question of what constitutes a "minister" aside, without some kind of god to come down from heaven above and point out the "true" christians, as opposed to the "false" ones, all there is here is a <i>No True Scotsman</i> fallacy. If a murderer and adulterer says he's a christian, then he is one. Who is qualified to contradict him? The term "christian" is so undefined to be meaningless anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com