tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post652784690369070351..comments2024-03-28T12:39:02.196-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Gerald Flurry Follows in HWA's Steps and Buys Gulfstream G450 JetNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-48215169886452997422017-04-19T17:19:50.154-07:002017-04-19T17:19:50.154-07:00Is it a sin to hope the plane crashes or drops an ...Is it a sin to hope the plane crashes or drops an engine?Henry Bemishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14744363735474261058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-90472327066486127082017-04-19T15:08:02.072-07:002017-04-19T15:08:02.072-07:00Andrew Locher, PCG's Chief financial officer, ...Andrew Locher, PCG's Chief financial officer, gave a sermon about following God's ark and one of these ways is practicing God's financial laws. He went on to say that God's people must live within their means and that God's work always puts that into practice (insert buying a jet) and that members should not spend frivolously and that God will provide members needs. He talked about counting the costs of financial decisions and not live a lifestyle you cannot afford. He said members must prepare for hard times coming.<br /><br />So basically he wants members to live meagerly whilst giving all their money to the church to buy planes, build dance schools, etc. Also they have an airplane fund and members can donate via credit card or paypal if they do not want to send cheques.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-86531800462933638832017-04-17T19:54:58.078-07:002017-04-17T19:54:58.078-07:00Anon of April 13, 2017 at 10:35 AM,
You wrote tha...Anon of April 13, 2017 at 10:35 AM,<br /><br />You wrote that according to me, “…only Tkach Jr. ministers can bestow the holy spirit on new converts…”<br /><br /><br />That is not true! Where did you get that idea? Is it possible that individuals like Tkach Jr. and GTA were not used by God for anything?<br />I believe that HWA was God’s servant to the Philadelphian era, 6th Church mentioned in Revelation 3, of God’s Church.<br />I also believe that Tkach Sn. was God’s servant to the Laodiceans, 7th Church mentioned in Revelation 3, of God’s Church.<br />In other words, Joe Tkach Sn. was the Laodiceans’ first and last servant of God for that particular era or congregation of God’s Church. Philadelphians and Laodiceans are, for the most part, currently in a scattered condition all over the world.<br />Who is Tkach Jr.? There is no 8th Church mentioned in Revelation 2-3.<br />So, I disagree with your reference to Tkach Jr’s ministers bestowing the Holy Spirit on new converts. Besides, human beings, human ministers, don’t bestow God’s Spirit on anybody. God (John 6:44; John 14:17; Romans 8:29-30; Phil 1:6, 2:13, etc.) determines who and when somebody is to be given His Spirit and the measure of the fruits of that Spirit.<br />You mentioned HWA, J Tkach, Stalin, Hitler, Mao…and the queen of Sheba. Was sin (John 8:44; Eph 2:2; I John 3:8; James 4:5, etc.) in each of their lives? Is sin in your life? All were sinners, and now they are all dead men/woman. Wages of sin was paid with their deaths! And some day in the future you can add our names to theirs…and for the same reasons. We all get our noses rubbed in evil in one way or another, and to one degree to another we’re learning to hate evil. It’s just part of a process that started way back in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve and the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God can create evil (Isaiah 45:7); He did create that Tree for a reason. Adam came to know good and evil. Join the club! We’re all in the same boat, sort of speak.<br />Is there hope for anyone? Everyone, well, everyone except Satan (Ezekiel 28:19) and his angels, who are destined to be taken and destroyed, are given hope within this creation made subject to vanity. That wasn’t our choice.<br />Something is being worked out for human beings. Paul called it being reconciled:<br />“To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, NOT IMPUTING their TRESPASSES unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.” 2 Corinthians 5:19<br />Why not? After all, Jesus Christ was sent by the Father NOT to condemn this world, but to save it. Was that really true? Will that really eventually be a done deal for this world?<br />Time will tell…<br /><br />John<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-71714142983155501962017-04-14T15:46:20.143-07:002017-04-14T15:46:20.143-07:002:05 I wrote a long post and deleted it by mistake...2:05 I wrote a long post and deleted it by mistake. That was the shorthand version and reading it back it does sound a little muddled! Definitely against the plane purchase. I have a parent in PCG and it boggles the mind that they can't see right though these clowns. Now back to my comment. I was actually referring to the PCG facebook page and how a few critical comments actually made it through until they started in on HWA. We all know that's a no-no. They disabled the comments aftsr that. Child of a PCGerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15727290326846016226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-14373603168186364392017-04-14T14:05:46.038-07:002017-04-14T14:05:46.038-07:0011.41 AM
I have read and re read your comment, and...11.41 AM<br />I have read and re read your comment, and I'm not sure what your point is. Are you for or against the plane purchase? Can you elaborate?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-45411528143203886452017-04-14T12:33:59.198-07:002017-04-14T12:33:59.198-07:00Sweetblood,
I am somewhat reminded by your commen...Sweetblood,<br /><br />I am somewhat reminded by your comment about that fatefull day that Trump was elected.<br /><br />The powers that be decided to have the "Doomsday plane" fly over Denver for more than an hour to show the American people who is in charge.<br /><br />After an hour it continued its mission to Tinker airforce base just outside OKC or Edmond if you will.<br /><br />If your scenarios is true we will get the 911 scenario with empty skies and only two white stripes over Oklahoman airspace. The two last witnesses so to say.<br /><br />Ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-64201826495556055442017-04-14T11:41:37.023-07:002017-04-14T11:41:37.023-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Child of a PCGerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15727290326846016226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-90958378544187389752017-04-14T09:58:44.193-07:002017-04-14T09:58:44.193-07:00Flurry with a jet? How do you spell Chapter 11 of ...Flurry with a jet? How do you spell Chapter 11 of the United States Bankruptcy code? - Philadelphia Church of God! <br /><br />I agree with others - why does Flrry need a jet, and what world leader gives a rats ass about what he has to say. And how is he going to obtain an audience? He doesn't have a Stan Rader and the cash flow to buy an audience with a world leader like HWA did. <br /><br />Who will be "first in line/first in time" to the United States Bankruptcy Court - Flurry or Dave Packatollah? <br /><br />Gary, this would be a good side bar survey question.<br /><br />RichardLake of Fire Church of Godnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-91084616183074938342017-04-14T09:42:26.397-07:002017-04-14T09:42:26.397-07:00So S. Flurry posted a tweet this morning that Jude...So S. Flurry posted a tweet this morning that Jude Flurry's team came in 1st at Feis World's 2017 and he came in eight individually and Isaac who I think is Brad Macdonald's son came in 10th. I wonder if they used the new plane to travel to these dance competitions.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-85696421502181715272017-04-14T07:59:06.753-07:002017-04-14T07:59:06.753-07:00What these poor misguided folks don't realize ...What these poor misguided folks don't realize is that the plane was leased/purchased in order for Flurry to flee just before the United States is attacked. Guess what folks. You all are not on the passenger list.<br /><br />Only Flurry and his closest friends/family will get to escape. I wonder how you all are going to feel when you see him take off leaving your butt behind.Sweetblood777https://www.blogger.com/profile/11000268749016977800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-55524344708804098762017-04-14T03:22:19.768-07:002017-04-14T03:22:19.768-07:00Anon @ 11:14am when did they purchase it? By the...Anon @ 11:14am when did they purchase it? By the way I am sure the sermons during 1st dulb were about giving more money to the work so they can travel the world to warn leaders.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-16110207956245553202017-04-14T03:20:25.058-07:002017-04-14T03:20:25.058-07:00Nice plane. I bet they have members who can't ...Nice plane. I bet they have members who can't afford to get their teeth fixed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-38611887280766671602017-04-14T03:18:36.442-07:002017-04-14T03:18:36.442-07:00The slivers beat down their members by treating th...The slivers beat down their members by treating them like dirt, while exalting themselves with titles and expensive toys. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-41101018698074367522017-04-13T20:03:56.494-07:002017-04-13T20:03:56.494-07:001:24
It depends on how one defines Jesus. In the ...1:24<br /><br />It depends on how one defines Jesus. In the seventies and eighties this particular brand was associated whith the supreme power of the Gods. The unseen hand that rules the world. <br /><br />Unfortunately today it is has become fodder for flying orange suits to Moroccan or Polish torture prisons to waterboard for the same empire.<br /><br />Ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-66739135575807664912017-04-13T19:52:37.811-07:002017-04-13T19:52:37.811-07:00Ezekiel 34:2
Woe be to the shepherds of Israel th...Ezekiel 34:2<br /><br />Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! <br /> should not the shepherds feed the flocks?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-77891049230922317982017-04-13T19:34:26.162-07:002017-04-13T19:34:26.162-07:00Why is it that with spiritual leaders, always, alw...Why is it that with spiritual leaders, always, always, always, the moment they get large amounts of income coming their way, their mind immediately starts working on how to plushen up their own standard of living?<br /><br />Private jet purchase, what a pathetic transparently self-aggrandizing move. Though totally expected.Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-31630819253813006142017-04-13T18:10:03.770-07:002017-04-13T18:10:03.770-07:00GREAT LINE FROM ONE OF THE STAR TREK MOVIES...
&q...GREAT LINE FROM ONE OF THE STAR TREK MOVIES...<br /><br />"Why Does God Need A Spaceship?" ...<br /><br />or for that matter , a jet??Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910856904624749641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-41187061822437872952017-04-13T15:56:47.211-07:002017-04-13T15:56:47.211-07:00If Gerald continues to fly by the seat of his theo...If Gerald continues to fly by the seat of his theological pants, making shit up as he goes with no basis in facts, like Pack and Thiel, and agrees to fly his Corporate Church Chump Jet only at night, he can be the number one fly by night Apostle in all of COGdom! Can't ya just feel Dave gyrating in rage from here?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-29899256613467054862017-04-13T15:51:07.487-07:002017-04-13T15:51:07.487-07:00Now that creep can fly Paula Malone to the vacant ...Now that creep can fly Paula Malone to the vacant useless campus in England and let her screech like the devil with a hot poker up her butt before another empty audience. <br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-21725128749522738772017-04-13T14:17:09.275-07:002017-04-13T14:17:09.275-07:00So much for being flown places by angels.
Not tha...So much for being flown places by angels.<br /><br />Not that boozing alcoholic cult leaders actually believe in angels.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-24160226352987965502017-04-13T13:46:43.115-07:002017-04-13T13:46:43.115-07:0012:53
The original GII was privy to High Diplomac...12:53<br /><br />The original GII was privy to High Diplomacy. Just for starters, get yourself access to the Japanese State department minutes on Japanese - Israeli relations late sixties early seventies.<br /><br />Or read up on Japanese business practices. Hint. One hardly ever deals with the dmu, but through relations like "sons". Hierarchy within Japanese society is established through occassional display of who your "group" is connected to. <br /><br />To be connected to the group that returns Okinawa is definitely a booster in the Japanese system, where the "elected" body just serves as a front or facade to hide the true power structure.<br /><br />Nck<br />nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-76393604037842138622017-04-13T13:24:50.801-07:002017-04-13T13:24:50.801-07:00Awesome, now Gerald has Gulfstream, the same kind ...Awesome, now Gerald has Gulfstream, the same kind Jesus used to fly around in. Not!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-571620390358558542017-04-13T13:12:00.891-07:002017-04-13T13:12:00.891-07:00One factor that has become painfully obvious is th...One factor that has become painfully obvious is that while HWA generally shared his theology with the ministry, there is certain critical business and marketing information that he obviously held close to his vest. During HWA's lifetime, many of the current ACOG leaders were in lower mid-management positions, and would have had zero "need to know" for much of this, and would not have been close enough to him to pick it up by osmosis. We can know that this is the case with Rod Meredith, and that being the case, the information would most definitely not have filtered down to Gerald Flurry, or David Pack. Bob Thiel, or James Malm? Forget about it! Not even remotely possible.<br /><br />Plus, none of the current crop has their own version of a Stan Rader, who was HWA's confidante and advisor. Rader knew many of the business secrets, and was familiar with all of the international dealings, but was weak on much of the theological minutiae.<br /><br />Bottom line is that nobody is even up to speed on all of HWA's antiquated business formulae, let alone the updated techniques which would ensure a similar level of success today. This jet thingy with Flurry could cause a terminal crisis during its first year of operation, especially if a recession were to hit.<br /><br /><br />One could only hope that the other "leaders" attempt to keep up with Flurry before they have sufficient time to observe the financial effects Gulfstream ownership has on PCG.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-75122605347438505892017-04-13T12:53:50.468-07:002017-04-13T12:53:50.468-07:00Having the original gulfstream jet for Herbert was...Having the original gulfstream jet for Herbert was a corrupt farce even with all the millions of dollars rolling in those days. <br />This flurry jet is a over expensive farce. Who is flurry going to visit ? Which world leader has ever heard of him? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-42017819365625621892017-04-13T12:45:35.105-07:002017-04-13T12:45:35.105-07:00Inquiring mind not wanting to know. The instances ...Inquiring mind not wanting to know. The instances you describe only occur in the lower ranks of any organisation, where people are sincerely deceived. In the upper ranks , in my experience, people are sincerely delusional. Only one or two are really wacko. My professors served at the Tokyo war tribunal, but the Nuremberg trials proved the same. Unfortunately it is the very few Mansons that succeed in gathering larger followings that eventually organize themselves in dysfuntional structures. <br /><br />Even Scientology now have "the original" hubbard groupies organize themselves in a reformed group claiming to hold fast to the original intent of "Hubbard the sincere", who was totally delusional himself in the first place.<br /><br />And it goes for all incompetents in high places, being in politics or the corporates. Sincere but incompetent.<br /><br />Ncknckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.com