tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post6873544306972047261..comments2024-03-29T03:57:21.878-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Dennis Says: The Apostle David C. Pack is NOT Spoken of in the ...NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-61663781406959319032013-05-15T10:33:18.756-07:002013-05-15T10:33:18.756-07:00There is no infatuation with the the Caps Lock but...There is no infatuation with the the Caps Lock button. It was a mistake. Please don't suggest motives.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-49564568829192584812013-05-08T07:22:06.658-07:002013-05-08T07:22:06.658-07:00"THIS IS A GREAT BLOG AND I APPRECIATE THE OP..."THIS IS A GREAT BLOG AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO READ IT AND TO CONTRIBUTE TO IT OCCASSIONALLY."<br /><br />Please keep your finger away from your keyboard's Caps Lock button when you contribute.<br />Thanks,<br />Norm<br />PS: I suppose there are a variety of reasons that some people listen to those who are schizophrenic.<br />All won't, though, just like there are many people who won't listen to those who have an infatuation with the Caps Lock button.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-52408349552037264182013-05-08T05:45:29.250-07:002013-05-08T05:45:29.250-07:00HOW CAN YOU ASSUME MATTHEW KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE ...HOW CAN YOU ASSUME MATTHEW KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE BIRTH OF JESUS? DON’T YOU KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT CONTEMPORARY EVENTS IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND AMONG YOUR FRIENDS? Isaiah 7 has NOTHING to do with Jesus. It had everything to do with Isaiah's time. MIGHT YOU BE HALF RIGHT IN THAT ISA 7 DEALS WITH PHYSICAL DELIVERANCE THROUGH THE BIRTH OF MAHER SHALAL HASH BAZ RECORDED IN ISA 8:3 AND THE SECOND ASPECT OF THE SIGN DEALS WITH SPIRITUAL DELIVERANCE BY THE MESSIAH? MATTHEWS’S ACCOUNT SEES A REQUEST FOR TWO DONKEYS, MJARK AND LUKE, ONLY ONE. MIGHT BOTH ANIMALS BE INVOLVED IN THE TRIUMPHAL ENTRY. MATT IS POINTING TO THE LITERAL FULFILLMENT OF ZECH 9:9. MATT DOES NOT SAY THE JESUS RODE ON BOTH THE MOTHER AND THE COLT. MATT SIMPLY DOES NOT SA ON WHICH DONKEY JESUS SAT, MARK AND LUKE FOCUS ON THE COLT THAT JESUS RODE, WHILE MATT MENTIONS THE PRESENCE OF THE OTHER. PERHAPS THE MOTHER COLT WAS BRUGHT ALONG TO CALM THE COLT AS IT WENT THROUGH THE NOISY CROWD. I BELIEVE THAT THE JEWS, BEFORE THE TIME OF JESUS UNDERSTOOD ISA 53 TO REFER TO THE MESSIAH, RATHER THAN THE NATION OF ISRAEL. ONLY WHEN THEY REJECTED JESUS DID THEIR INTERPRETATATION CHANGE FROM THE MESSIAH TO THE NATION OF ISRAEL. DIDN’T DANIEL SPEAK TO A TIME HE WOULD NEVER SEE IN DANIEL 12:9 “GO YOUR WAY DANIEL, THESE WORDS ARE SEALED UNTIL THE TIME OF THE END.” <br />They also don't see that there are many failed OT prophecies and explain them away with "well, they just haven't happened yet." WOULD YOU TELL ME WHICH ONES HAVE FAILED? MAKING A CHARGE WITHOUT BACKING IT UP IS A TECHNIQUE THAT HWA USED. PERHAPS IF THEY APPREAR TO HAVE FAILED, MIGHT WE HAVE SIMPLY MISUNDERSTOOD THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE? MIGHT WE BE MORE ACCURATE IN SAYING “ALLEGED FAILURES” WE WE CURRENTLY UNDERSTAND THE PASSAGE? HWA WAS ALWAYS DOGMATIC ON QESTIONABLE ISSUES. SHOULDN’T WE AVOID THE SAME PRACTICE? They get a 2000 year hiatus before they mean in this time yet again it is short. "This Generation" doesn't meant that generation. It means MY CURRENT GENERATION, which it didn't back then. THIS GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS MAY REFER NOT TO THE GENERATION OF JESUS, BUT THE GENERATION THAT IS LIVING DURING THE TIME OF THE TRIBULATION PERIOD. Jesus was wrong about himself at times and how it would all work out for him and his disciples. ANOTHER ACCUSATION. PLEASE TELL ME WHERE HE WAS WRONG ABOUT HIMSELF.<br />The Book of Revelation, written by Jewish Christian for Jewish Christians in the siege of Jerusalem. . . WASN’T REVELATION WRITTEN AFTER THE DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM IN 70 A.D., PERHAPS ABOUT 95 A.D.? WASN’T IT WRITTEN TO SHOW THAT IN SPITE OF PERSECUTION AND THE KILLING OF MOST APOSTLES, THAT JESUS WAS STILL ON HIS THRONE, KNOWS WHAT IS GOING ON THE CHURCH AND THAT THERE IS A PLAN FOR THE FUTURE AND THAT THE “GOOD GUYS” WILL WIN? JESUS DID NOT ABANDON HIS CHURCH NOR WILL THE GATES OF HELL PREVAIL AGAINST IT, A MESSAGE OF ENCOURAGEMENT. <br />. I believe Ron Weinland probably believes his own misguided, misspoken and misinterpreted views about the Bible and himself. I HAVE OFTEN WONDERED IF HWA WAS, AT LEAST AT FIRST, SINCERE, OR WAS HE, FROM THE START, A CORRUPT, EGOCENTRIC PERSON WHO WANTED TO GET RICH AND POWERFUL. LARRY GOTT, HIS GRANDSON, IS LIVING IN THE SAN JOSE AREA AND IS A MEMBER OF A GROUP OF ATHEIESTS. I WONDER WHAT INSIGHT HE HAS ON HIS UNCLE (GTA) AND GRANDFATHER’S REAL BELIEFS.<br />WHY WOULD ANYONE HAVE LISTENED TO PEOPLE WHO WERE SCHIZOPHRENIC? <br />IN ONE CULTURE THE ACTS OF ANOTHER IN ANOTHER CULTURE OR TIME MIGHT INDEED APPEAR TO BE INSANE. WHEN I GO TO TANZANIA I SEEN THINGS THAT BLOW MY MIND, BUT THESE PEOPLE WEREN’T INSANE, JUST DIFFERENT, A LOT DIFFERENT. PEOPLE STILL USE MANURE FOR FUELING THEIR FIRES. <br />I AGREE IN THE SERIOUS ERRORS OF THE WCG AND ITS OFFSHOOTS, THEIR IGNORANCE IS MATCHED BY THEIR ARROGANCE. THEY WERE SELDOM CORRECT, BUT NEVER IN DOUBT OF THEIR VIEWS. <br />I AM SORRY FOR THE LENGTH OF THIS NOTE. THIS IS A GREAT BLOG AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO READ IT AND TO CONTRIBUTE TO IT OCCASSIONALLY.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-449111110126698482013-05-07T13:27:57.902-07:002013-05-07T13:27:57.902-07:00I'm Sparticus....I mean Joshua lol
ddI'm Sparticus....I mean Joshua lol<br /><br />ddAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-59542150247718963182013-05-07T13:25:33.532-07:002013-05-07T13:25:33.532-07:00Dennis you are so right. I am tired of these frui...Dennis you are so right. I am tired of these fruits. Dave Pack is not Joshua. I am. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-32856638728660003262013-05-07T10:22:10.528-07:002013-05-07T10:22:10.528-07:00There is one readily identifiable profile involvin...There is one readily identifiable profile involving a certain percentage of people who were attracted to Armstrongism. It involves those who aspire to be great teachers. I knew about the people seeking healing almost from the get-go, and it was pretty obvious that others sought to be given authority.<br /><br />However, as I was leaving the WCG after the failure of 1975, I was comparing notes with some of the others who were leaving. We were discussing how people got into the mess in the first place. I related as how my siblings and I had been dragged into it by our parents, having no real choice in the matter. But, a friend said something that proved to be very insightful. He had been invited to go to Bible Study by one of his oldest and best friends. He was very impressed upon seeing a well manicured person, sitting onstage with his Bible and briefcase, teaching the audience, and fielding their questions. To quote my friend, "I saw myself sitting on a stage sometime in the future with my Bible and briefcase."<br /><br />Like the authority trips, this is somewhat foreign to me. My normal state is one of intellectual curiosity, but that has always been directed inward. Seems like it's better for everyone to do their own study. Somehow, I never aspired to be a teacher, because so much of our intake is personalized, and can also be fallible. I wonder if HWA realized that Hislop, Velikovsky, and J.H. Allen were totally fallible, and fraught with error.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-88419739058158498322013-05-07T08:56:30.920-07:002013-05-07T08:56:30.920-07:00My sister Nicole had midrash when she suffered fro...My sister Nicole had midrash when she suffered from shingles. In my case, the disease affected the left side of my head and neck.<br /><br />Oh, wait.<br /><br />Penny ZwerthAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-10722084846967355772013-05-07T07:41:56.457-07:002013-05-07T07:41:56.457-07:00If it weren't for dictators and control freaks...If it weren't for dictators and control freaks, the UCG would not exist.<br /><br />Just because a cult is led by a cesspool full of conniving liars, does not mean the cult is better than a cult led by just one conniving liar.<br /><br />In fact, it's arguably worse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-68540357407105136062013-05-07T03:37:59.035-07:002013-05-07T03:37:59.035-07:00Anon, you hit on something.
PCGrs are in the dar...Anon, you hit on something. <br /><br />PCGrs are in the dark. All of us at one time were in the dark too. FEW if any of us would have joined the WCG if we had known about the moral problems of the Armstrongs. <br /><br />I likely would have joined the COG 7th Day. A good group of people. <br /><br />Dictators and control freaks, even on the nation level, cannot forebear a free press, free assembly, and the free flow of information. It allows for too much reality. <br /><br />Joe Moeller <br />Cody, WY Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08762918803284340960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-27526940660219984872013-05-06T22:36:01.507-07:002013-05-06T22:36:01.507-07:00PCGers are kept in the DARK. Some are not even on...PCGers are kept in the DARK. Some are not even on the web. Others believe it would be a sin to go on the Web. Hindsight is 20/20 (at best). Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-49434694978244765242013-05-06T22:34:34.743-07:002013-05-06T22:34:34.743-07:00Midrash must be Hebrew for twisting the scriptures...Midrash must be Hebrew for twisting the scriptures and bullshit. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-2851605684101452722013-05-06T21:06:53.547-07:002013-05-06T21:06:53.547-07:00If a person says you should leave one WCG splinter...If a person says you should leave one WCG splinter group, I don't see how they can justify staying with another. There's no such thing as a nontoxic COG as far as I can tell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-50808360866315863862013-05-06T18:26:14.092-07:002013-05-06T18:26:14.092-07:00I guarantee you that Pack, Flurry, Weinland, et al...I guarantee you that Pack, Flurry, Weinland, et al, had visions of grandeur going back decades. The system HWA set up, with ranks in the ministry, and special duties doled out to the approved members in local congregations, bred a mentality of climbing and clawing to the top. As HWA aged, and GTA was out of the picture, I'm convinced there were Pastor General wannabes hiding in plain sight just about everywhere.<br /><br />It's just like the crime lords who sweep in after the fall of governments and empires around the world, and exert influence while is no leadership. It's what most of these COG "leaders" have done. They imagined themselves in power, then made it happen, with no regard to legitimacy of any kind.<br /><br />Pack will attract a scant few, comparatively. But he's stuck in an outdated m.o. and can't comprehend that the vast majority of COG Sabbatarians, convinced though they may be of HWA's theology, want nothing to do with the authoritarian system Pack covets and just can't live without. <br /><br />A fool and his folly....Assistant Deaconnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-58903518191648759652013-05-06T17:21:30.920-07:002013-05-06T17:21:30.920-07:00Repeating the definition of a cult is not his poin...Repeating the definition of a cult is not his point. It's a thinly-veiled argument that some WCG splinters are "guaranteed to be toxic" but not all of them...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-1891433995768869762013-05-06T16:09:50.704-07:002013-05-06T16:09:50.704-07:00Is it necessary to repeat the definition of a cult...Is it necessary to repeat the definition of a cult again here?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-50954640427093836692013-05-06T15:47:14.155-07:002013-05-06T15:47:14.155-07:00ANY and I mean ANY church that has a humans name a...ANY and I mean ANY church that has a humans name attached to it, and is central to it will be GUARANTEED to be TOXIC! <br /><br />Any church that has one man rule will always be dangerous for your spiritual, mental and physical health. <br /><br />LEAVE NOW! <br /><br />Joe Moeller <br />Cody, WY Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08762918803284340960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-7855903794526214372013-05-06T15:17:18.557-07:002013-05-06T15:17:18.557-07:00Spends weeks meticulously working out presentation...Spends weeks meticulously working out presentation, hours delivering it, presented it well...<br /><br /><a href="http://b.vimeocdn.com/ts/418/407/418407767_640.jpg" rel="nofollow">AAAAND IT'S WRONG</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com