tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post694689488986738100..comments2024-03-29T08:09:02.974-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: What Is Dave Pack Afraid Of? Dennis Asks Dave Pack: Debate Me!NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-30794491235463452882013-02-01T16:09:23.171-08:002013-02-01T16:09:23.171-08:00"I'd not want to discuss the types of thi..."I'd not want to discuss the types of things CGI/Stanley/New WCG and Ted Johnston might come up with."<br /><br />Are you kidding me? Dennis, Dennis, THESE are the very people you NEED to disassemble the deeply, deeply flawed "theologizings" of to their component parts for shipment! <br /><br />The videos from Headquarters are an <i>agony</i> to sit through; if it's not "reformed" ministers spewing garbage like "you must be baptized ... into the trinitarian life ..." (well, at least God gave me the message that I'm not to be baptized by, for, or into, THIS "denomination" anyway), it is some bleating, babbling Protestant who was never in the Church in the first place; the most egregious one was the fat dude who spewed out Bible verses right, left, and centre, going "Look it up if you don't believe me!" ... and I just conveniently happened to have eSword open on the same computer that was playing the video on the overhead ... and when I dutifully looked up all of the verses he claimed to be quoting, ALL OF THE VERSES WERE WRONG.<br /><br />Dennis, Dennis, you need to TAKE JUNIOR'S "THEOLOGY" APART. It would be COMEDY GOLD. The Evangelicals in the Church these days sadly couldn't find a Bible verse with both hands, in an illustrated Children's Bible, written in large print for the blind! They can't even argue the Bible with ME, and my memory is utterly, completely, and totally shot.Velvetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-66727534441134356612013-01-31T19:11:51.289-08:002013-01-31T19:11:51.289-08:00Dave knows he will be made out to be a fool and th...Dave knows he will be made out to be a fool and that cannot happen. His already struggling cult is down to less than 2,000 members and the cash flow is not doing well. To be made out to be a jackass in front of his few followers would humiliate the guy. After all, how could the worlds greatest theologian be wrong?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-28571289008408596062013-01-17T09:41:29.353-08:002013-01-17T09:41:29.353-08:00It's always about being the biggest, the best,...<i>It's always about being the biggest, the best, the most and the mindblowing</i><br /><br />Davie Pack is blowing something alright, and it's not anyone's mind. It's Mr. Armstrong's wiener.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-3761132659319660692013-01-15T17:38:21.536-08:002013-01-15T17:38:21.536-08:00It's also the way of the arrogant fundamentali...It's also the way of the arrogant fundamentalist who truly is "wise in his own eyes." I always find it strange the way they typically claim to have so much historical and scientific evidence to prop up their outrageous assertions and truth claims (witness the Young Earth Creationists) - and yet when challenged, run the opposite direction almost every single time back into their fundamentalist cave of being the specially called and chosen of their god.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-3359941843827635732013-01-15T17:26:33.453-08:002013-01-15T17:26:33.453-08:00Didn't Elijah confront the prophets of Baal? ...Didn't Elijah confront the prophets of Baal? Didn't Paul debate on Mars hill? Didn't Jesus debate with the Pharisees and Saducees? Dave the Paki is a gutless lying wimp. He has no Bible reason to get out of it so he will lie his way out of it or ignore the challenge completely. That is the way of the wigger. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-91258541387594539532013-01-15T16:58:28.669-08:002013-01-15T16:58:28.669-08:00It may be helpful to remind you of my #1 law:
Nev...It may be helpful to remind you of my #1 law:<br /><br />Never knowingly argue with a crazy person.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-45632648933431462962013-01-15T13:39:40.324-08:002013-01-15T13:39:40.324-08:00I would pay to see that debate and come up a cheer...I would pay to see that debate and come up a cheering squad for Dennis.Newlifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12621302622968214189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-83939331528797239352013-01-15T10:42:43.141-08:002013-01-15T10:42:43.141-08:00Dennis could be successful in raising questions fo...Dennis could be successful in raising questions for which Dave's Armstrongism has no answers. The problem is that when various apologists have indulged in debates on these forums, winners are not chosen based on the principles of forensic debate, but by partisan beliefs or politics. I mean, you could wipe up the floor with Dave's sorry excuse for a butt, and all of his followers would swear on HWA's grave that Dave was the winner.<br /><br />One or two thinking persons might come away with some new nuggets and a fresh approach, but that would be about it. The brain washing runs way too deep. Dave's followers would presume that Dave has a solution, whereas they would see Dennis as basically offering up a vacuum.<br /><br />To see how this might play out in actual life, probably the best example is the John Ankerberg/GTA debates on Youtube. <br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-52221928691153215592013-01-15T09:27:13.513-08:002013-01-15T09:27:13.513-08:00Pointless. Wouldn't even be close. As soon as ...Pointless. Wouldn't even be close. As soon as Dave realized he couldn't rely only on his/HWA's theories as proof of anything, he'd be doomed.<br /><br />Wait, he would never realize that. Never mind.Assistant Deaconnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-42278386251703946772013-01-15T05:43:54.575-08:002013-01-15T05:43:54.575-08:00IMHO and in personal experience, Dave is all about...IMHO and in personal experience, Dave is all about being known and the numbers. It's always about being the biggest, the best, the most and the mindblowing. He will deny it's about numbers, which seem to give him credibility in his mind, but it has always been about that. <br /><br />Dave exaggerates his experiences. He tends to take credit for things he did not do or at least did not do without great help from others. He toys with minds. Awhile back he said he had amazing things to tell his church but then I don't really recall what they were. At the time he said he could not share them yet. This is a common ploy that even the Apostle Paul used at times to peek interest evidently but then let it fall flat and never spoke of it again.<br /><br />You don't see Dave speaking with compassion, love or kindness . It's like Wineland and Flurry along with others in the COG's who only speak of law, prophecy (badly understood) judgment and "shortly."<br /><br />Of course, building a college belies that any shortly Dave believes in is the same shortly HWA believed in so there were monuements to be built. <br /><br />I have some associated with Dave's Church by a partner being in it who keep in touch and lament the rift it causes in their marriage and family and what to do. I don't know what to do as it takes the person actually involved with RCG to wake up, do their homework theologically, Biblically or whatever and realize there is a bigger world outside of Dave Pack and they don't have to buy into it at such a high cost to themselves and others. No God is angry if you don't discover Dave Pack.<br /><br />I make the offer to just send the message that he is not as knowledgeable as he believes himself to be and that only works in an enclosed group that immunizes itself from the views of others, whoever they may be. DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-91184805341170199862013-01-15T04:04:37.628-08:002013-01-15T04:04:37.628-08:00Dennis, you can't argue with ignorance. Nobody...Dennis, you can't argue with ignorance. Nobody that arrogant would even pretend to learn something new about the bible. <br /><br />Ryan HensonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-9226271287423990452013-01-15T03:51:10.345-08:002013-01-15T03:51:10.345-08:00I'll help with your expenses to Wadsworth Denn...I'll help with your expenses to Wadsworth Dennis. Let The Akron Beacon Journal know about the challenge, Dave thinks he has the woman reporter there fooled. Grow a pair Dave (I know that you read this). Are you for real or a phoney? We both know that you are a phoney, a kook, a lying decieving money sucking leach (in my opinion) You wont debate this man because you are a coward; a pussy. (in my opinion). You do best when wave your arms around and other theatrics in your little studio, when you can extract money from old men, divorced and seperated women, and weakling men. You got to be shittin me; a swoshing sound as the van passed through the ladies' car! What a total whack case you are (in my opinion). Anyhow, what does the C stand for... C--t. I dare you to debate this man Dave.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-67041919874921796712013-01-14T23:01:28.803-08:002013-01-14T23:01:28.803-08:00Careful, Dennis. Big Dave had a globe on his cred...Careful, Dennis. Big Dave had a globe on his credenza - so he must be really well educated.Glennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11415271830212951268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-42310499584794324632013-01-14T22:45:31.688-08:002013-01-14T22:45:31.688-08:00Charles Stanley? lolCharles Stanley? lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-6633043878044030512013-01-14T22:23:12.229-08:002013-01-14T22:23:12.229-08:00You're both nothing but egocentric big bags of...You're both nothing but egocentric big bags of hot air. All you two clowns would do is contribute to global warming.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-79849147279549906222013-01-14T19:01:49.188-08:002013-01-14T19:01:49.188-08:00Perhaps it would be best to let his unending blust...Perhaps it would be best to let his unending bluster and literalist views play themselves out slowly and in full public view. Most of us realize how they'll most likely end up. At the end of the day, I think we'll find that these COG guru's own antics and words are their own worst enemy. They're just too given to self-absorption and status-seeking to restrain themselves from making fools of themselves. Their ends will eventually be according to their folly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-28684598282546283692013-01-14T18:38:18.371-08:002013-01-14T18:38:18.371-08:00Actually, i,d like to challenge the unending blust...Actually, i,d like to challenge the unending bluster and his literalist views by which he controls n misleads <br /><br />DennisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-29754442923365777562013-01-14T18:06:40.314-08:002013-01-14T18:06:40.314-08:00Understanding the contents of the Bible as histori...Understanding the contents of the Bible as historical documents within given historical contexts from a sophisticated multidisciplinary approach with COG ministers or members would be like trying to discuss advanced mathematics or theoretical physics with a dog. It's just not going to happen because they've been trained by decades of indoctrination to see the Bible in a very simple-minded kind of way as a document to be taken literally, much like one would a personal letter, or an instruction manual, as HWA often referred to it as. You would be on two totally different and incompatible wavelengths.<br /><br />And this would be especially the case with someone whose public reputation and persona as a great man of God would be on the line - Dave Pack being one such ego-centric maniac. He just has too much to lose, and not enough intelligence to win.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-80573907375504698822013-01-14T18:01:43.758-08:002013-01-14T18:01:43.758-08:00Q: How much is Davey's Wadsworth?
A: However ...Q: How much is Davey's Wadsworth?<br /><br />A: However much his minions will pay!<br /><br />Norm<br /><br />PS: Jesus was white, right?<br />Will this be the be the "Vanilla Thrilla"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-2286683929172469562013-01-14T17:51:57.641-08:002013-01-14T17:51:57.641-08:00Whether it be Dennis, or Bert Ehrman, or Robert Pr...Whether it be Dennis, or Bert Ehrman, or Robert Price - Dave Pack wouldn't stand a chance against any of them simply because Dave doesn't use reason, evidence or clear logic. What's the point of them? There's no need for such superfluous things when God has opened one's mind to "the truth." And besides, those whose minds haven't been so enlightened are just glibly dismissed with a simple flick of the hand as carnel-minded. Ah, if only reality would be as simple as it's perceived within the wacky world of the COG's!<br /><br />But I applaud your public challenge anyway, Dennis!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-77630035449599016742013-01-14T17:50:43.971-08:002013-01-14T17:50:43.971-08:00My comments keep getting chewed up and spit out!
...My comments keep getting chewed up and spit out!<br /><br />Let's try again. I'd like to debate Dave on his WCG prooftexting approach and bring him up to date on some realities of scripture and such. I'd not want to discuss the types of things CGI/Stanley/New WCG and Ted Johnston might come up with. My issues would be the ones listed and the difference between understanding the intent of scripture versus taking it literally. <br /><br />The COG roam around within the text throwing proof texts at each other. I'd like to show that the texts, as Bart Ehrman who does it sooooo much better and has the credentials to do so, might. COG ministers have no clue on what may be literally true and what might be mythologically true . The politics of the New Testament is also something COGgers have no clue about and wouldn't recognize it though a man come back from the dead.DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-36252614206153355842013-01-14T17:43:03.193-08:002013-01-14T17:43:03.193-08:00I know he won't accept. I just wished him to ...I know he won't accept. I just wished him to know someone was willing to question him in public over his prophetic views, Bible answers and WCG approach since I know it all so well.<br /><br />Dave would never accept anyone from GCI/WCG as he has no concept of their concepts and sometimes I'm not sure they have the concept of their concepts. Only Ted Johnston knows for sure I guess.<br /><br />Dave would want to bounce around within the Bible. I'd want to do the same but draw different conclusions and point out things he has never thought of or knows anything about at least publically.DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-41095577653881943812013-01-14T16:24:42.512-08:002013-01-14T16:24:42.512-08:00But Dennis...
Be warned! ...
Pack is a ...
MAS...But Dennis...<br /><br />Be warned! ...<br /><br />Pack is a ...<br /><br />MASTERDEBATER!! <br /><br />Joe Moeller <br />Cody, WY Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-61063643546338280112013-01-14T16:20:33.472-08:002013-01-14T16:20:33.472-08:00I figure a no response. Dave wouldn't want any...I figure a no response. Dave wouldn't want anyone to know he reads this blog. He does, of course, 'cause everybody has to read what other people are saying about them. <br /><br />That is, everybody except for Bart Ehrman, who claims he never reads any blogs about him. 'Cause, you see, busy people like Bart can't be bothered by people who don't know anything and is not 'educated' like heeeeeee is.Corkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15894537940881776504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-26437501072078119112013-01-14T16:09:08.375-08:002013-01-14T16:09:08.375-08:00I would be happy to "telavize" the show-...I would be happy to "telavize" the show-down at the Painful Truth.Painful Truthhttp://the-painful-truth-group.orgnoreply@blogger.com