tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post6959199281384767488..comments2024-03-29T08:09:02.974-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Why Are LCG Members Still Not Respecting Authority?NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-20951610613944394292019-07-14T17:48:36.543-07:002019-07-14T17:48:36.543-07:004:54pm said "Some churches even call their mi...4:54pm said "Some churches even call their ministers "Reverend"."<br /><br /><br /><br />Some churches even call their "ministers" Mr. (short for master)<br /><br />kmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-40489084044477205022019-07-14T16:54:07.052-07:002019-07-14T16:54:07.052-07:00The goal of many religions is to have an in-group ...The goal of many religions is to have an in-group (leaders) and an out-group (followers). Those down below can be tricked into worshiping those above. According to Armstrong, your god is whom you obey. If you obey the ministry when they contradict the bible, you are worshiping the ministry. If you put them on too high of a level, letting them make up do-or-die commandments, taking on that divine perogitive, you are also worshiping them. Some churches even call their ministers "Reverend". <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-64249152103706089492019-07-14T11:06:09.378-07:002019-07-14T11:06:09.378-07:00Respect is commanded in the military, as it must b...Respect is commanded in the military, as it must be to ensure functionality. The problem is that HWA set up his church government structure patterned after that military model. That type of government stifles the working of the Holy Spirit in individual Christians. That was perhaps the deepest and worst flaw of HWA's church.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-3835790606888543512019-07-14T10:09:41.860-07:002019-07-14T10:09:41.860-07:003:45pm, you're getting there but you still hav...3:45pm, you're getting there but you still have a ways to go. The bible absolutely does not teach a "minister" class, a clergy vs. laity class. We are all to minister. We all have various gifts. The only "position" the N.T. even comes close to endorsing is a plurality of older/elder men to oversee the local congregation. Not to "govern" but to make sure everything in the local congregation runs smoothly, or as smoothly as possible.<br /><br />There is no corporate structure in the N.T., if you were an "overseer" in your local congregation, that didn't make you one in all other congregations.<br /><br />kmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-18522225045317384292019-07-14T00:28:43.509-07:002019-07-14T00:28:43.509-07:00Agree Anon 7:08. It is always about control. Agree Anon 7:08. It is always about control. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-5317434721572124202019-07-13T21:11:12.306-07:002019-07-13T21:11:12.306-07:00DennisCDiehl said...
"By the time you have to...DennisCDiehl said...<br />"By the time you have to demand respect, it is too late."<br />July 13, 2019 at 2:31 PM<br /><br />Seriously amiss. <br />One can't "command" respect, as they inculcated, <br />from anyone incapable of respecting others.<br /><br />I was programmed to believe this, too, but now recognize, it's a tactic. <br />Am learning to recognize tactics... from a woman's point of view, which view may be unfamiliar in this zone.<br /><br />I could overlook, guessing you're only focused on specific cult ministers. <br />But as a rule, it's a poor one.<br /> Is a sort of "my perspective'" only, about "others."<br /><br />Point is, it's assuming a malignant narcissist or even a psychopath would ever respect someone.<br /><br /> <br /><br />(Of course, there's a perverse truth if assuming everyone's incapable of respecting anyone but a bully... or as a new god/goddess.)<br /><br />I hope everyone will realize their own worth, and insist on being respected or just walk away. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-43293817982028042662019-07-13T19:10:49.573-07:002019-07-13T19:10:49.573-07:00Here's another poem for the "overlords&qu...Here's another poem for the "overlords"<br /><br />Crack a smile, crack a grin<br />Have a little humor, it's not a sin<br />Say a little joke, a chuckle or two<br />It's not disrespect, to lighten the mood<br />You want respect, well, here's the deal<br />Don't be like Malm, and never like Thiel<br />earn it, by being Christlike at heart<br />Not by acting like a grumpy old fart.<br /><br />SHThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01387145525747411349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-5076517639400433152019-07-13T19:08:39.824-07:002019-07-13T19:08:39.824-07:00It's not about respect. It's about contro...It's not about respect. It's about control.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-14609791098390953492019-07-13T15:45:02.674-07:002019-07-13T15:45:02.674-07:00Respect is a two way rather than a one way street....Respect is a two way rather than a one way street. Members have natural God given rights that should be respected rather than stompt on by the ministers. <br />It's the old bully song of religiously respect my rights, but you have no rights.<br /><br />The authority that church leaders give themselves is legitimate authority plus many perks such as lording it over others. This is common among work bosses as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-41054635870163889782019-07-13T15:31:19.852-07:002019-07-13T15:31:19.852-07:00TLA,
Roses are red
Violets are blue
Sugar is swee...TLA,<br /><br />Roses are red<br />Violets are blue<br />Sugar is sweet<br />Obey me or burn in the Lake of Fire<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-47341483627219709262019-07-13T15:23:00.176-07:002019-07-13T15:23:00.176-07:00Why don't the brethren respect you very much, ...Why don't the brethren respect you very much, Doug? For one thing, you think so little of us that you usually recycle old messages each week instead of writing us something fresh and timely. Worse, you don't just recycle your old message; you change a word or two, here or there, as if this will prevent search engines from noticing the duplication. We know, for instance, that this week's comments became so much more relevant than what you published 11 years ago because this time you inserted a comma after the first word, which you didn't do on <a href="https://www.lcg.org/weekly-updates/2008-07-03" rel="nofollow">July 3, 2008</a> when you previously published almost identical comments. To be fair, you changed this week's comments much more than you usually change your old comments, so maybe this one is worthy of more respect than usual. But as long as you merely "phone in" your most minimal leadership, we'll merely phone in our most minimal respect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-35515536636338875162019-07-13T15:10:31.888-07:002019-07-13T15:10:31.888-07:00A poem for the overlords....
Call me Mister!
You...A poem for the overlords....<br /><br /><b>Call me Mister!</b><br /><br />You are my brother, but a lesser brother.<br />I am special, but you are a just a bother.<br /><br />I am so wise, even Solomon is not match<br />You are scum, the worst of the catch.<br /><br />God calls the weak, except for me.<br />You are stupid, so don't dare disagree.<br /><br />Our COG is the best<br />You can disregard the rest.<br /><br />Send all your money to us<br />Don't make a fuss.<br /><br />We are the best, the very best.<br />So much better, better than the rest.<br /><br />Every word we write or speak is gold.<br />Which is why we repeat it, it never gets old.<br /><br />So disregard all these nasty words other people say.<br />Your function is to pay and pray and pay and PAY!TLAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-36051394947887493902019-07-13T14:56:53.600-07:002019-07-13T14:56:53.600-07:00LCG would undoubtedly be better off with Putin as ...LCG would undoubtedly be better off with Putin as its leader. For that matter, so would the US and many other nations.Monniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11614078375013184773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-76464598804309176082019-07-13T14:36:08.101-07:002019-07-13T14:36:08.101-07:00What is Winnail telling us about himself, his rela...What is Winnail telling us about himself, his relationship to God, and his relationship to those under him, when he demands respect? Some of the kings of Israel and Judah demanded respect whether or not their conduct was respectable. Others earned respect. Winnail, Weston, Ciesielka, and other LCG ministers would do well to do a personal Bible study of the kings of Israel and Judah, lest they fall victim to making some of the same mistakes that were recorded in Scripture for our admonition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-86074894105408450312019-07-13T14:31:46.266-07:002019-07-13T14:31:46.266-07:00By the time you have to demand respect, it is too ...By the time you have to demand respect, it is too late.DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-90764149616027917082019-07-13T14:24:33.597-07:002019-07-13T14:24:33.597-07:00Even if you don't believe in evolution, you ca...Even if you don't believe in evolution, you can't deny that groups of human beings bear lots of similarity to groups of chimpanzees.<br /><br />Chimpanzees naturally follow a leader. The problem is that within a troop there may be disagreement as to which chimpanzee should be the leader. Ultimately, the chimpanzee who displays the greatest leadership qualities will become the troop's leader.<br /><br />Doug Winnail is currently butt-hurt because Gerald Weston and Jonathan McNair haven't respected his erudition and his Ph.D. as qualifying him to lead LCG's educational efforts. Winnail won't accept that he fails to earn respect when he engages in shoddy scholarship and promotes other teachers the LCG members consider liberal and compromised. Instead, he lashes out with whiny messages like this one. Instead of examining himself and understanding why he isn't earning as much respect as he desires, he prefers to project outward and put the blame on the people who aren't giving him the respect he craves.<br /><br />Adam and Eve did not rebel against God in order to become leaderless. They simply chose to follow the wrong authority. Because of his personal butt-hurt, Winnail has greatly misunderstood what is going on around him. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-29864484355912653342019-07-13T14:20:24.011-07:002019-07-13T14:20:24.011-07:00There are three words that ring out loud and bold:...There are three words that ring out loud and bold: "In the Lord". <br /><br />LCG ministers and their attitudes in so many cases and instances are not "In the Lord". One might even say many of their attitudes are "of the Devil". As such, once one sees that their fruits don't match their title - no respect or obedience or whatever have you is required. Just two feet to run out the door and a mouth to say "No." <br /><br />They sit there on their pompous high horse demanding respect to their authority. Respect is earned. Not demanded. <br /><br />If I saw an LCG Minister (or any other COG minister) in a restaurant, I'd see them as just another man. Their pompous act and ministerial air-of-appearance would be greeted by the worst possible thing I could do to them: Call them by their *GASP* FIRST NAME!!!! <br /><br /><br /><br />SHThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01387145525747411349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-65704349479972097332019-07-13T14:16:40.513-07:002019-07-13T14:16:40.513-07:00LCG is led by a man who looks eerily like Vladimir...LCG is led by a man who looks eerily like Vladimir Putin, but instead of embracing this truth and laughing about it the ministry becomes very upset when brethren dare to make even the smallest joke about the easily observable fact. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com