tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post7234800736869332766..comments2024-03-29T01:36:52.100-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Living Church of God/Scarborough Lawsuit: The Quandry Supboened Members and Ministers Are InNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-71020870234536801332016-07-07T17:14:48.270-07:002016-07-07T17:14:48.270-07:00Lies and lies, white or any other color. But, som...Lies and lies, white or any other color. But, some things are more important than telling the truth. I would lie to save a life. I would like to protects someone's feelings (like when I wife asks if her new outfit is pretty). I would not lie to cover up for a corrupt minister. The greatest commandment is to do the most loving thing. I hope members of the LCG will tell the truth and FINALLY nail RCM's ass to the wall. Hiding in his bubble at HQ, like HWA did in Pasadena, protects him from the outside. The courts, I hope, will show him to be what he really is. Since my few years at AC in the early 70's, and sitting through his "First Year Bible" course, we all knew what a mean SOB he was, and probably still is.Steve Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03186651595432665670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-65827363337116841342016-07-07T00:43:25.578-07:002016-07-07T00:43:25.578-07:00Steve D you mis read my post. I said the exact opp...Steve D you mis read my post. I said the exact opposite regarding white lies. You are the one who said in 3.49AM to tell white lies at weddings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-25590453305485827912016-07-06T11:25:38.007-07:002016-07-06T11:25:38.007-07:00Anon 8:34 says it's ok to tell "white lie...Anon 8:34 says it's ok to tell "white lies" but not to lie to safe someone's life? So, when the Nazis came to the apartments seeking hidden Jews, would you tell the Nazi soldiers the truth or lie to protect innocent Jews? When Jews asked Jesus What is the GREATEST commandment, He said to Love your neighbor. In other words, we do the most loving thing. Do we lie to save a life or do we tell the truth and watch an innocent person be executed?<br />Lying to protect an evil religious organization is not the loving thing to do. Lying to protect an innocent person from an evil person, is acceptable. Midwives lied to Egyptian officials; Rahab lied to protect the Israeli spies. We are not morally obligated to give the truth to someone who is going to use the truth to do evil. Look at Telushkin's thoughts from Scripture and tell me if you would give the truth to someone who is going to use it to commit an evil act. To do so makes you am accomplice.Steve Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03186651595432665670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-4267021635027889562016-07-06T09:14:08.199-07:002016-07-06T09:14:08.199-07:00Rod could have made this go away before it got out...Rod could have made this go away before it got out of hand. Most successful business people do attempt to resolve issues before they become so time consuming and financially draining. <br /><br />He must consider the issue of his authority to be of paramount importance. <br /><br />If would be a shame if some of his members did end up committing perjury, thinking they were doing the right thing, and ended up in jail, with their families on welfare or their kids in the system. This is something that could have many unintended consequences. It is way too late for a simple apology and the righting of a wrong. Just as the ACOGs think they are seeing an acceleration in world events, this is really going to cripple LCG's ability to participate in what they see as their great commission. What a shame for their members! <br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-68380636961929085122016-07-06T09:07:12.846-07:002016-07-06T09:07:12.846-07:00The Scarbourough attorneys would do well to bring ...The Scarbourough attorneys would do well to bring up that little incident in Milwaukee where all those people were murdered 10 years agoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-6373994137848039842016-07-06T08:39:19.758-07:002016-07-06T08:39:19.758-07:001.33 AM 'God leaves no room for justified lyin...1.33 AM 'God leaves no room for justified lying for any reason.'<br />Please supply a scriptures/s to support your claim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-24208364339876855362016-07-06T08:34:00.383-07:002016-07-06T08:34:00.383-07:00Steve D. Rehab and David lied to protect lives. S...Steve D. Rehab and David lied to protect lives. Samuel misled Saul to protect his life. Murderers have no right to expect their intended victims to be truthful and hence aid them in their destruction. The 'correct and moral answer' to the bride comment is something like 'yes, she looks gorgeous.' The father of the bride shouldn't be asking such a 'nosey' question, and if pressed, I would keep repeating some compliment. This is called diplomacy, no white lies necessary. <br />I do not have the problem of people telling me white lies, since I do not ask nosey, personal questions. <br />Your poor answer is another example of listening to sermons for decades, yet still being morally confused. People hand over 10% of their incomes to these churches, yet only get useless Kenneth Copeland type sermon slop from the ministers. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-33179474684227524502016-07-06T03:49:37.081-07:002016-07-06T03:49:37.081-07:00Rahab, midwives for Moses, Samuel, David, etc. all...Rahab, midwives for Moses, Samuel, David, etc. all lied. Jews teach that you don't have to tell the truth or the whole truth IF someone is going to use the truth to do evil. The GREATEST commandments include: Love your neighbor. Sometimes the most loving thing to do is to lie to someone. If the father of the bride asks you, "Isn't my daughter the most beautiful bride you've ever seen?" The correct and moral answer is always "YES"! The most right thing to do is sometimes to lie, to save lives, protect people, etc. Of course, RCM might want people to lie to do cover up evil. Not good. May I suggest a book, A Code of Jewish Ethics You Shall be Holy by Rabbi Joseph Telushkin Page 422, When Lying is Permissible.<br />Steve Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03186651595432665670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-25563342579660583792016-07-06T03:41:06.791-07:002016-07-06T03:41:06.791-07:00The local press should be informed of this lawsuit...The local press should be informed of this lawsuit. This should be on the front page of the Charlotte newspaper and the local Charlotte news shows. When the light is turned on the cockroaches shall scatter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-40991854637621017172016-07-06T03:36:28.411-07:002016-07-06T03:36:28.411-07:00To our brethren in Charlotte about to go to court ...To our brethren in Charlotte about to go to court --- We are truly sorry this is happening to you all,,,,<br />It should not be!!!!!!! <br />We are praying for you that you will be strong and very courageous.<br />Do not fear man,,,,,,rather,, fear God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-9837238348814423512016-07-06T01:41:44.667-07:002016-07-06T01:41:44.667-07:0010.42 PM the churches mailing list is their precio...10.42 PM the churches mailing list is their precious intellectual property, and should be respected, however unjust the organization. Your suggestion could land a person in jail. Yours is another example of the church hiding rights from members, since ministers have all rights, and members have non.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-3516866078431046002016-07-06T01:33:31.080-07:002016-07-06T01:33:31.080-07:00Gods word is very plain on where he stands as far ...Gods word is very plain on where he stands as far as lying and liars go, he leaves no room to justify lying for any reason at all. There are many plain scriptures pointing this out and anyone who tries to lie to defend RCM or anyone else is rejecting God and his word.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-59836754822881104692016-07-05T22:42:29.520-07:002016-07-05T22:42:29.520-07:00A couple of Sabbaths have passed after the subpoen...A couple of Sabbaths have passed after the subpoenas were sent, but until now, LCG hasn't announced to its members about the Scarborough lawsuit. Why is the ministry hiding this vital issue? It's not fair to all. If there's someone here who works at Charlotte HQ, will you secure a list of brethren and their home address and send them an anonymous letter stating and explaining about the Scarborough lawsuit? Also, if you have access as how much these top ministers are paid annually? Is it really true that they get 6 figures? Members deserve to know all these!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-53233822797109653302016-07-05T20:40:52.600-07:002016-07-05T20:40:52.600-07:00Justified lying. It covers a multitude of sins. So...Justified lying. It covers a multitude of sins. So sayeth the religious folks. Jameshttp://hwarmstrong.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-6024976033011585982016-07-05T20:16:48.217-07:002016-07-05T20:16:48.217-07:00When I was a student in Rod's class in Pasaden...When I was a student in Rod's class in Pasadena in 1967 I heard him say that it it OK to lie to protect the church or "the work". He suggested that one could make an untrue statement and then (in your head) add something to the statement or amend it in some way that would make it true. So, I would not believe anything that comes out of Rod's mouth on the witness stand because you don't know what he is blathering inside his own mind. He is simply not credible in any circumstances.Glennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11415271830212951268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-31686511041549030022016-07-05T19:38:21.632-07:002016-07-05T19:38:21.632-07:00Connie said, "I can imagine a new TV series c...Connie said, "I can imagine a new TV series coming out of all this...<br /><br />LAW and ORDER: Church of God Special Victims Unit"<br /><br />MY COMMENT - That's good Connie! I love it! Tax cheat Ron Weinland could provide enough material for a full season with fellow Witness from the Book of Revelation wife Laura witnessing everything including his jail tribulation for 3 1/2 years while traveling throughout the world. Herbert's incest victimizing Dorothy is an episode. Of course, in bed with Garner Ted is a running mini series within the series sprinkled though out. Throw in almost arrested bitter Bob Thiel and his double dose (was it a double dose OR a double dip as in George Castanza?).<br /><br />Then there is polygamous "Buffalo Bill" Yisrayl Hawkins and his proclivity toward young girls.<br /><br />The possibilities are endless. I think you are on to something Connie!<br /><br />Richard Lake of Fire Church of Godnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-59451944305862168832016-07-05T19:25:46.349-07:002016-07-05T19:25:46.349-07:00A week or so ago I was reading the comments to an ...A week or so ago I was reading the comments to an article at slate.com and I saw that one of the frequent commenters said that he or she was a lawyer and had to leave the conversation to go to a deposition which lawyers love because they are "easy billing". I wonder what this is going to cost the Church of Rod when (or if) they lose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-22010223999226006922016-07-05T18:58:48.378-07:002016-07-05T18:58:48.378-07:00I can imagine a new TV series coming out of all th...I can imagine a new TV series coming out of all this...<br /><br />LAW and ORDER: Church of God Special Victims Unit Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910856904624749641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-92158253028703066692016-07-05T18:41:12.333-07:002016-07-05T18:41:12.333-07:00Well...NOW they have the opportunity to behave lik...Well...NOW they have the opportunity to behave like real Early Church Fathers... :)<br /> <br />Lying for the Church is ok!<br /><br />Jerome is not alone in his candour. Bishop Eusebius, the official propagandist for Constantine, entitles the 32nd Chapter of his 12th Book of Evangelical Preparation:<br /><br />"How it may be Lawful and Fitting to use Falsehood as a Medicine, and for the Benefit of those who Want to be Deceived."<br /><br /><br />Eusebius is notoriously the author of a great many falsehoods – but then he does warn us in his infamous history:<br /><br />"We shall introduce into this history in general only those events which may be useful first to ourselves and afterwards to posterity."<br /><br />– Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, Vol. 8, chapter 2.<br /><br /><br />Clement of Alexandria was one of the earliest of the Church Fathers to draw a distinction between "mere human truth" and the higher truth of faith:<br /><br />"Not all true things are the truth, nor should that truth which merely seems true according to human opinions be preferred to the true truth, that according to the faith."<br /><br />– Clement (quoted by M. Smith, Clement of Alexandria, p446)<br /><br /><br />John Chrysostom, 5th century theologian and erstwhile bishop of Constantinople, is another:<br /><br />"Do you see the advantage of deceit? ...<br /><br />For great is the value of deceit, provided it be not introduced with a mischievous intention. In fact action of this kind ought not to be called deceit, but rather a kind of good management, cleverness and skill, capable of finding out ways where resources fail, and making up for the defects of the mind ... <br /><br />And often it is necessary to deceive, and to do the greatest benefits by means of this device, whereas he who has gone by a straight course has done great mischief to the person whom he has not deceived."<br /><br />– Chrysostom, Treatise On The Priesthood, Book 1.<br /><br />Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556), the tireless zealot for papal authority – he was the founder of the Society of Jesus (the Jesuits) – even wrote:<br /><br />"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."<br /><br /><br />The Reformation may have swept away some abuses perpetrated by the priesthood but lying was not one of them. Martin Luther, in private correspondence, argued:<br /><br />"What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church ... a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them."<br /><br />– Martin Luther (Cited by his secretary, in a letter in Max Lenz, ed., Briefwechsel Landgraf Phillips des Grossmüthigen von Hessen mit Bucer, vol. I.)DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-60459721785412135792016-07-05T18:11:57.122-07:002016-07-05T18:11:57.122-07:00It shouldn't be an issue at all. Tell the trut...It shouldn't be an issue at all. Tell the truth at all times and if any organization expects one to lie for them, then obviously they're not of God and certainly not one to be followed.<br />God is always testing the laity to determine who follows a man or who, without hesitance, will follow Him. If leaving that organization is what is required then so be it. Remember that Christ is standing on the outside, knocking on the door. <br />They just need to decide which side of that door they're on. <br />One's loyalty should never be in question.<br /><br />Regards, itstimecogitstimecognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-11521404257829265212016-07-05T17:05:03.190-07:002016-07-05T17:05:03.190-07:00There's a simple solution to all this: Testify...There's a simple solution to all this: Testify and tell the truth.<br /><br />And then when Meredith and the LCG take action against you, sue for all they are worth.<br /><br />This is a marvelous situation which can just feed on itself until all the resources of Meredith and the LCG are completely devoured.<br /><br />And then some.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-17769292250977415472016-07-05T16:57:23.868-07:002016-07-05T16:57:23.868-07:00Withholding information that they know the Scarbor...Withholding information that they know the Scarborough's are looking for is the equivalent of lying. Sadly that is what many of these people will do. LCG has told them to only share what is asked and nothing more. There will a lot of people dealing with guilt when this is all over.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-5895143414607190982016-07-05T16:36:48.960-07:002016-07-05T16:36:48.960-07:00This is a shame what happened to these church memb...This is a shame what happened to these church members.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-73381068539966834142016-07-05T16:35:53.750-07:002016-07-05T16:35:53.750-07:00How can this be the true church, if one is purged ...How can this be the true church, if one is purged for telling the truth in court.<br />Another reminder that the 'true' church are those who follow Christ rather than Rod.<br />Must be a tough trial for the comfy, well paid ministry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-4858543097309258072016-07-05T16:00:45.867-07:002016-07-05T16:00:45.867-07:00As I stated before this situation has placed much ...As I stated before this situation has placed much pressure on the ministers and members. People will have to choose whether to obey Yahweh come what may, or whether to twist the truth which is just a deceitful way of lying.<br /><br />Truly one's character or lack thereof is going to be exposed for all to see.<br /><br />Choose well, your very salvation (true this time around), will be decided, for no liar will be permitted to enter the Kingdom of Yahweh.Sweetblood777https://www.blogger.com/profile/11000268749016977800noreply@blogger.com