tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post7463802313023836867..comments2024-03-28T22:34:16.707-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: I Have Invited More People To Church In 35 Years Than Any Other Minister Ever HasNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-16964241312934682562017-02-19T22:10:53.304-08:002017-02-19T22:10:53.304-08:00I recall Dave in his original autobiography, claim...I recall Dave in his original autobiography, claiming that the large number attending his church, caught HQs attention. He left out that the numbers would have been much higher had there been a minister other than Dave.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-20866245849790362232017-02-19T01:30:04.743-08:002017-02-19T01:30:04.743-08:00So in other words DCP is saying,"no man can c...So in other words DCP is saying,"no man can come to Jesus, or me unless I invite or draw them"Chucklesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-15435624404695336982017-02-18T22:58:02.883-08:002017-02-18T22:58:02.883-08:007.57 PM
Everyone wants to escape the tribulation, ...7.57 PM<br />Everyone wants to escape the tribulation, the tares as well as and the converted. Your comment reveals the church mentality of rejecting reward. It's only the fear mongering stick, with no mention of the carrot. The reason? Members should spend all their time serving the losers hand and foot. So self interest is regarded as evil.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-13733126545113799252017-02-18T20:54:56.744-08:002017-02-18T20:54:56.744-08:00Dennis
What was the HQ grove? It was 'boring&#...Dennis<br />What was the HQ grove? It was 'boring' by design. It was religious talk with no substance, by design. It was meant to keep the locals ignorant. Members have attended services for decades and are still morally confused or child like in their understanding. Most members don't comprehend this since they have never experienced moral meat. Just reading the odd self help book proves this. Had the intellectual fire power in the church been used to research applying Gods laws, the sermons would have been on a different plane. The result is and was the 'Children's Church of God,' by design.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-90679181598278171892017-02-18T19:57:19.901-08:002017-02-18T19:57:19.901-08:00I'd bet 50% of the people on this site were th...I'd bet 50% of the people on this site were the tares who never had their heart in the game anyway. They just wanted to escape the tribulation. <br /> <br />Pack is a psychopath with no heart, no feeling, no empathy. Psychopaths don't experience empathy. They are all about SELF and STATUS and POWER. That is Dave to a "tee". Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-50297159942747815742017-02-18T19:16:00.956-08:002017-02-18T19:16:00.956-08:00BB asked: Well, the easiest way to debunk this wo...BB asked: Well, the easiest way to debunk this would be to ask Dennis, or Allen, or Jim if such statistics were ever kept in the first place, and if so, if comparative records were kept to compare which ministers were most effective in their visiting programs. <br /><br />Actually, yes they did keep track at first for many years especially during the time RCM was in charge of ministerial services. Every monday I had to send a card with church attendance that week, sermon title and number of visits I had made. NOW...I can see inflating the numbers in his head from what he actually did but that would be Dave having to be the best and most of anyone in everything. <br /><br />For a shorter time, I also had to send in a card on each specific visit which really really bothered me (I was in my 20's and new to the game) and I stopped doing it and then that practice ended at sometime. But then every "To Be Played in all the Churches" tapes didn't get played either. :) They were boring and it didn't take a genius to see it was meant to keep the locals in the HQ grove. I fast forwarded thru many if not most of them and decided if I wanted to waste my time with my own church on it which I often didn't. Once in awhile was ok but they started coming fast and furious and were of no particular import. At the time I had better things to attend to in sermons with my churches.DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-35616600362022242972017-02-18T19:08:14.892-08:002017-02-18T19:08:14.892-08:00Dave said:
"I invited more people to servic...Dave said:<br /><br />"I invited more people to services in about 30 years, maybe 35 years, than anybody I ever knew."<br /><br />I invited more people put out, BACK to services in about 30 years than anybody I ever knew.DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-14440828186039180002017-02-18T18:29:09.895-08:002017-02-18T18:29:09.895-08:00Yes, invitation to insanity.
It is likely that mo...Yes, invitation to insanity.<br /><br />It is likely that most of those invited (if they really were) didn't come and of the ones who did come probably didn't stay long.<br /><br />Most people in this world, particularly if they have graduated from high school or earned a GED, very likely would not well tolerate the weirdness, having valued their sanity enough to avoid the nuts and kooks of Armstrongism.<br /><br />At least we'd like to think so....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-24071541894405142192017-02-18T15:50:43.234-08:002017-02-18T15:50:43.234-08:00Well, the easiest way to debunk this would be to a...Well, the easiest way to debunk this would be to ask Dennis, or Allen, or Jim if such statistics were ever kept in the first place, and if so, if comparative records were kept to compare which ministers were most effective in their visiting programs. <br /><br />There are anecdotes in the Ambassador Report about Dave failing to visit people in ghetto areas, because he was scared. If these are true, it must be noted that from a pastoral point of view, these are not sales leads on encyclopaedia which fail to be closed, the commodity is peoples' souls! Neglecting ghetto areas would therefore relate specifically to Dave's integrity in his "calling" as a minister and as a human being. But, of course, knowing what we know today, in spite of himself, neglecting the Ghetto actually spared some good minority people from having yet another life-searing experience! BB King used to speak of bad experiences that he encountered that were like being black twice. At least Dave unwittingly limited that particular statistic. Still, no NAACP awards for you, Dave!<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.com