tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post7869328744742893035..comments2024-03-28T01:13:52.631-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Bob Thiel Mansplains to Tina EnglebartNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-79255975876964163492017-06-17T11:25:24.402-07:002017-06-17T11:25:24.402-07:00Armstrongism always worked through shock value, re...Armstrongism always worked through shock value, redefining and opposing cherished elements of the mainstream, and constant fear, 7:49. By design, it did beat people up, break their spirits, and give them ulcers, depression, and paranoia. It did not imbue people with the power of positive thinking, but instead, the power of suppository thinking. Most of us were tired of the beatdown when we finally perceived its many failures, the basic defective nature of the product when used as intended, and left.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-87699457887235679802017-06-17T07:49:17.487-07:002017-06-17T07:49:17.487-07:00Maybe that's what the, "and the dumb(not ...Maybe that's what the, "and the dumb(not speaking /voiceless) shall sing" is all about. Women (and children, with the "be seen and not heard" so-called rule) will actually be able to speak and sing. They will actually have a voice. So does that mean this system of rules to shut women and children up (and shut them down/crush them) is cruel and wrong?! If it is cruel and wrong why is it taught world-wide?... Doesn't it say that christian's are not to do what the world does? <br /><br />How do you mess everybody up /"deceive the whole world"? Do you create a book with 'knowledge of good(the righteous God's word) and evil'(confusion) in it and call it god's word. So everybody in the world (or most) end up following it and become well indoctrinated in 'good AND evil' instead of led by the Holy Spirit? i don't know. What I do know is I'm tired of it all. The cruelty, the abuse and misuse, the wars, the fighting, the nobody can seem to get along with any body else....just tired. It hurts. Make it stop.anonymous63noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-85213577487793370042017-06-17T07:38:32.851-07:002017-06-17T07:38:32.851-07:00Oh yeah, women take a back seat until men want sex...Oh yeah, women take a back seat until men want sex. This shit is so stupid. I speak this from a real man's point of view. Don't forget the great Judah and the harlot, or David and Bathsheba. Jews are no different than Armstrongism with the bullshit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-11255504681997267422017-06-16T23:12:56.382-07:002017-06-16T23:12:56.382-07:00Women are not allowed to sing except amongst other...Women are not allowed to sing except amongst other women. Men are not allowed to hear women singing.<br />It is called Kol Isha, the voice of a woman and so in orthodox Judaism women sit separately from men either in the ezras nashim.. a balcony for women behind the men, or behind a mechitza, a wall that separates the sexes.<br />Women do not sing in services at all.<br />Even in public performances among orthodox women perform only for other women and but men can perform for both sexes.<br /><br />Once again Bob has no clue what he is talking about.Friendly Neighborhood Jewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-35825953584890657302017-06-16T23:05:07.846-07:002017-06-16T23:05:07.846-07:00I've always wondered how the average COG membe...I've always wondered how the average COG member would respond to the fact that many of the more interesting sermons they heard were actually written by the ministers' wives. Old AC Ladynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-18614204915242318622017-06-16T20:38:44.274-07:002017-06-16T20:38:44.274-07:00After reading some of the literature of various Ar...<i>After reading some of the literature of various Armstrong groups it's plain to see why their members stay so depressed. Trying to do the tithing thing puts a person in financial dire straits and trying to observe the Hebrew feast days causes a person to get fired from their place of employment. No wonder the suicide rate is so high amongst them.</i><br /><br />LCG last week held a summer camp for pre-teens who have parents in the cult. What would you guess the children learned about? Jesus and His love for little children? Jesus' great mercy toward repentant sinners? The glorious World Tomorrow in which there will be peace and love and prosperity for all?<br /><br />Of course not.<br /><br />The camp theme was the Book of Exodus. Suffer like the Egyptians unless you obey Biblegod. Accept the heavy burden of Old Testament law-keeping, not the light burden of Jesus' yoke. Don't sin like you constantly see your parents and ministers sinning (remember, youngsters are EXCELLENT hypocrisy detectors), or else you will go into the Tribulation or the Lake of Fire. What a dreary camp that must have been.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-21064793152186152612017-06-16T15:52:20.694-07:002017-06-16T15:52:20.694-07:00You aint nuttin but a Bob Thiel, cryin all the tim...You aint nuttin but a Bob Thiel, cryin all the time!RSKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-48766045087856477332017-06-16T15:25:25.711-07:002017-06-16T15:25:25.711-07:00After reading some of the literature of various Ar...After reading some of the literature of various Armstrong groups it's plain to see why their members stay so depressed. Trying to do the tithing thing puts a person in financial dire straits and trying to observe the Hebrew feast days causes a person to get fired from their place of employment. No wonder the suicide rate is so high amongst them.Dr. Whonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-50736228694969689312017-06-16T13:02:33.096-07:002017-06-16T13:02:33.096-07:00Bob has always been a bitter angry little man. It...Bob has always been a bitter angry little man. It shows up in his writings. It shows up in his sermons. He was angry when he was being used by Meredith to criticize other COG's. Then when Meredith kicked him to the curb that anger was unleashed upon Meredith and LCG causing Thiel to start his own group. Everyone in LCG knew what kind of a snake he was and that is why no one from LCG has jumped to his side. He claims he was so well loved by LCG members, yet we all know that to be a different story.I also knew Bob in LCGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-48511351496022442192017-06-16T12:31:42.002-07:002017-06-16T12:31:42.002-07:00All the little misfits that couldn't ascend th...All the little misfits that couldn't ascend through normal channels yet want to be great teachers or preservers seem to be seeking some sort of special Herbalblessance in the millennium. They're like the ones who would suddenly disrupt a touch football fame at a church picnic to complain that some of the players were using blocking techniques condemned in the PT and Good News. And, of course, that little blast from the past has a special connection to a certain someone who teaches that it's a sin to even watch NFL football games.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-81034462631623431882017-06-16T12:29:09.219-07:002017-06-16T12:29:09.219-07:00Actually more than being a money contributor to Me...<i>Actually more than being a money contributor to Meredith, Thiel was much more useful to RCM as a sort of "back channel" way for Bob to be posting attacks on all the other COGs via Bob's "COGWRITER" website.</i><br /><br />Meredith never figured out that Thiel actually <b>lost</b> members for LCG. Quite a few potential members noticed that even with Thiel's horrible, rotten, competitive, hateful attitudes and posts, Meredith kept him as a favored member of LCG. The only "good" this did was that it let Meredith find an outlet for his own hatefulness without having it directly traceable back to him.<br /><br />Meredith thought he was enabling an attack dog who would do his dirty work. Instead, Thiel held up a mirror to Meredith and LCG, and many who saw the Thiel/Meredith combo decided that they didn't like what they saw.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-63695679267388000202017-06-16T11:54:25.702-07:002017-06-16T11:54:25.702-07:00Barren Cross
Get in the queue of those claiming to...Barren Cross<br />Get in the queue of those claiming to be the two witnesses. It's a long queue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-29140411452271061702017-06-16T11:53:15.691-07:002017-06-16T11:53:15.691-07:00Actually more than being a money contributor to Me...Actually more than being a money contributor to Meredith, Thiel was much more useful to RCM as a sort of "back channel" way for Bob to be posting attacks on all the other COGs via Bob's "COGWRITER" website. <br /><br />In a "All Roads Lead To Rome" fashion, Bob would create all the arguments on why those COGs were apostate, with the answer always being "But we in the Living Church of God, do it the correct Biblical way, under the direction of Mr. Meredith". <br /><br />Useful attack dog with plausible deniability or direct authorization that could be attributed to Meredith, and yet serving Rod's agenda. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910856904624749641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-19705615731487902092017-06-16T11:32:25.063-07:002017-06-16T11:32:25.063-07:00Bob may take umbrage with the "money source&q...Bob may take umbrage with the "money source" bit...<br />Well, Bob, before you go off all burthurt again, please note that we have yet ANOTHER individual commenting on your apparent "bugging" with your pushy, self-righteous behavior. You had an online tantrum when Meredith informed you of the exact same thing. <br />When's it going to get through to you, man?RSKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-5785843440913889372017-06-16T10:55:07.150-07:002017-06-16T10:55:07.150-07:00Actually Mr. Thiel is wrong in some of his observa...Actually Mr. Thiel is wrong in some of his observations. I am a practicing Jew, and in Orthodox Judaism males cannot listen to females singing. This prohibition is called the ‘kol isha’ (voice of a woman) prohibition. And as a sola-scriptura Jew (and a former Shammai Jew) I find the whole ‘women can’t preach’ statement to go against the plain meaning of the Torah which states in Genesis chapter 2 that man and woman were made equal in the eyes of God. The ‘COGs’ have some truly horrendous rules and regulations.Mordy Davidsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16172664691805980305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-71500551128793641872017-06-16T09:33:02.117-07:002017-06-16T09:33:02.117-07:00apparently Tina is one of those that wants to step...apparently Tina is one of those that wants to step outside of her assigned role and do things her way...<br /><br />I've encountered a number of those through the years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-61534867795943216272017-06-16T09:19:44.450-07:002017-06-16T09:19:44.450-07:00If Tina and Bob were to debate publicly she would ...If Tina and Bob were to debate publicly she would wipe his smirking little ass across the floor within the first few minutes. She is far more intelligent about the subject than Bob is.COG Women are smarter than Bob Thielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-83427318955559851452017-06-16T08:08:26.820-07:002017-06-16T08:08:26.820-07:00Remember the Wicked Witch of the West?
Well the ...Remember the Wicked Witch of the West? <br /><br />Well the COG universe has one too, in the persona of BOB THIEL! <br /><br />(From the "Wizard of Oz") ...<br /><br />Thiel the Wicked Witch of the West: --<br /><br />"And now, my beauties, something with a prophecy in it, I think. With prophecy in it, but not attractive to the eye, and not soothing to the smell." <br />[cackles] <br /><br /> MY SERMONS... , YES, MY SERMONS.... will put them to sleep. Sleeeeep. Now they'll sleeeeep! <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910856904624749641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-50891476630977910812017-06-16T08:00:48.608-07:002017-06-16T08:00:48.608-07:00Why even bother to respond if all you have to cont...Why even bother to respond if all you have to contribute is the traditional Armstrong belief on this topic? If Bob Thiel (as a prophet) had some newer or deeper insights with which to counter Tina, one can imagine him being eager to take up pen and paper on this topic. Instead, he offers the predictable Armstrong cliche, something of which he has made an entire hobby through his cogwriter website.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-4548791972291380202017-06-16T07:08:20.014-07:002017-06-16T07:08:20.014-07:00There are a number of takes on this passage, and a...There are a number of takes on this passage, and a seeming contradiction in 1 Cor 11:5. Bart Ehrman, in <i>Misquoting Jesus</i> argues that it’s a later insertion. <br />Ron Dart would say, <i>With Paul’s letters, we’re reading other people’s mail…</i> As with other of Paul’s letters, this one <i>answers questions</i> (1 Cor 7:1) that we don’t have, so we’re playing <i>Jeopardy!</i> <br />And this instruction is given to one congregation, and it has <i>no scriptural precedent</i>. The only thing close is a Pharisaic tradition recorded in the Talmud: “A woman’s voice is prohibited because it is sexually provocative”. <br />So I’ll take this as a specific instruction based on an unknown question or situation in a specific Greek congregation.<br />When I first attended a WCG service, I was expecting to see <i>literal obedience</i>. I had wondered, how are you supposed to talk to a girl if they were to keep silent? I was soon to find that they didn’t keep silent, and in the WCG were very hard to find.Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-5970074857106162112017-06-16T06:12:47.763-07:002017-06-16T06:12:47.763-07:00Maybe Bob Thiel can be saved if he gets out of the...Maybe Bob Thiel can be saved if he gets out of the idea he's a prophet or has any theological or spiritual influence in this world actually.DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-33748830040326669652017-06-16T05:30:38.317-07:002017-06-16T05:30:38.317-07:00Would it be inappropriate to note that on many top...Would it be inappropriate to note that on many topics, it does not matter one bit what the Bible says? We have been programmed to automatically say, "well the Bible says" as if it matters which it often in our times does not. Why go thru agonizingly convoluted opinions on words and meanings when , such as the topic of "Women's roles" or "women cannot speak in the church" (ostensibly because "the woman sinned and not the man" and "Men come from women, not women from men" both of which are false"), when a simple, who cares what the Bible said then will do. <br /><br />Ministers often say, "God says in his word" when in fact, a quick look will show it is actually a man who just said that. Of Paul it was said he was hard to be understood. That might be because he was giving a mistaken idea a convoluted explanation. <br /><br />In short, it does not matter what the Bible says about women in church. It is outdated and mistaken in it's reasoning as to why this is so to begin with. If there was no literal Adam and Eve and no Eve to sin , and there wasn't, the point is moot. If women don't really come from the rib of men,and they don't, the point is moot. Both are the reasons women can't speak in church. Both are wrong.<br /><br />Just as women evidently can be saved by childbirth, perhaps Bob can be saved if he gets some nice curtains.DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-67092316055431747502017-06-16T04:57:48.622-07:002017-06-16T04:57:48.622-07:00When I was in LCG it was common knowledge that Mer...When I was in LCG it was common knowledge that Meredith was using Thiel because he was a good money source and not for his "biblical" knowledge. Everyone was always wrong except for him. HIs condescending attitude is what made him so repugnant to so may LCG members. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-2480653450631955612017-06-16T04:30:31.065-07:002017-06-16T04:30:31.065-07:00They all teach myth, legend and folklore. Nothing ...They all teach myth, legend and folklore. Nothing they say remotely has a ring of truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-86602434358187843162017-06-16T04:16:41.074-07:002017-06-16T04:16:41.074-07:00I can see why Rod Meredith rejected him now.
Wha...<i> I can see why Rod Meredith rejected him now. </i><br /><br />What's shocking is that Rod Meredith kept Thiel as a close confidante for nearly 20 years, so he could take Thiel's money. This was one of Meredith's patterns. He would flatter you and say you were so much more converted and wise than the other people around him, and that he wanted you to let him know about any problems in the church. Bob says he was "made an advisor" as if it was some formal appointment, when it was really just Rod's way of flattering and controlling, which worked so well with Bob, as we have seen. It is worth noting, however, that Rod even did this with his top people at HQ. He would tell Carl McNair, "You are my close confidante, Carl, and I need you to watch out for Larry Salyer and tell me when he is causing any problems." Meanwhile, Rod would go to Larry Salyer and say, "You are my close confidante, Larry, and I need you to watch out for Carl McNair and tell me when he is causing any problems." <br /><br />The way he did this, Rod was for many years a master at causing division and keeping his underlings busy attacking each other in hope of pleasing Rod. The problem came when some of those underlings started to compare notes with each other, and realized the deception Rod was performing. Once Rod was exposed as such a liar, he lost much of his ability to control the people under him, because he could never control them by inspiring their respect and admiration (remember HWA's letter describing Rod's character), but only by stirring their fear and carnal ambition.<br /><br />Thiel learned well from Rod, except that he has even less charisma and even more willingness to lie. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com