tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post7986918850952632218..comments2024-03-28T11:48:32.422-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: UCG Asks: Do Vampires and Zombies Desensitize us to the Passover Symbols?NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-73835904128577631322013-03-25T06:42:26.994-07:002013-03-25T06:42:26.994-07:00A question is asked=
"As has been pointed out...A question is asked=<br /><i>"As has been pointed out many times before, invisible deities - especially those arising out of Middle Eastern/Mediterranean culture - are terribly similar to human beings in terms of tendencies, tastes and temperaments.<br />Now, what might this possibly tell us as to their actual origins?"</i><br /><br />My comment=<br />It's an anthropomorphic god, created in Man's own image, who displays some of Mankind's worst possible characteristics: jealousy, the need to be worshiped as being above all others, vengefulness, being quick to anger, being quick to murder, micromanaging people's lives, warmongering, hating the competition, suffering from dissociative identity disorder, holding a scepter over people's heads, etc, etc, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-68076177235471244472013-03-24T08:48:22.307-07:002013-03-24T08:48:22.307-07:00"Real, [trinitarian]spirit-filled Christians ..."Real, [trinitarian]spirit-filled Christians can't just be cavalier about these thing and flippantly dismiss all those not in their own group."<br /><br />But, Bob, that is exactly what all the professing Christians I've ever been unfortunate enough to encounter, <i>do</i>.<br /><br />And I think the discussion on the charity thread proves that not all members of the Church (though some did) had that attitude. We lived our lives out in the world, Bob, but we were "in the world but not of the world" --- Church members had friends and neighbours and got along with their coworkers and schoolmates and teachers...there was a minority who didn't, but that was more due to other factors, not necessarily the Biblical truth. (Nor even where the Church departed from that Biblical truth.)Velvetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-74165412775026595832013-03-24T08:42:22.202-07:002013-03-24T08:42:22.202-07:00"Hey, Corky, you're right! No mention of ..."Hey, Corky, you're right! No mention of wine at all. Just a cup of testament."<br /><br />...which reinforces <i>my</i> point, incidentally. Though I do remember hearing, growing up, that it was important to use wine, and not grape juice "as some churches do." I seem to recall the reasoning was based on the fact that Jesus and the disciples drank wine, and that the Bible nowhere states an injunction against all wine.Velvetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-5377876388284870832013-03-24T08:39:34.525-07:002013-03-24T08:39:34.525-07:00"Now it is true that the text says 'this ..."Now it is true that the text says 'this cup is the new testament in in my blood,' not 'the wine in this cup is my blood.'"<br /><br />And that, Retired Prof, is <i>not</i> what the author of the UCG article had to say.<br /><br />"However, notice that the statement about blood is paired with the one about the bread: "This is my body which is given for you." That parallelism signifies to any reader who knows anything at all about metaphor the equivalence "bread is to body as wine is to blood."<br /><br />But when you compare it with Jesus urging His disciples "not to have the leaven of the Pharisees" (not <i>physical</i> leaven) and the whole "I am the bread of life" exchange, where some, again, misunderstood that He meant the bread for His <i>physical</i> body...the key point being, many who believed that, went away, and didn't follow him anymore.<br /><br />"In other words, the vegetable matter stands for human substances, which symbolize the sacrifice necessary to bring the new testament [i.e. covenant] into fruition."<br /><br />No. See my comments (And the relevant Biblical verses --- I think they are in John somewhere? I don't have time to look them up at the moment, sorry.) above. Anyone who does believe the matzos and wine at the Passover service <i>are</i> actual flesh and blood, or even "symbols" of actual flesh and blood, have turned away from Jesus, and are not following Him anymore.<br /><br />The only thing the Passover in the Church was meant to symbolize was a memorial of the final <i>supper</i> Jesus and His disciples ate, <i>before</i> His sacrifice as the Passover for the sins of the whole world.<br /><br />Thus, Paul's injunction "not to take the Passover unworthily" -- and if they are making the same mistake the disciples did when Jesus told them He "was the bread of life" then they most assuredly are taking it unworthily. In my opinion.Velvetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-62844097921726708612013-03-23T17:34:10.478-07:002013-03-23T17:34:10.478-07:00As has been pointed out many times before, invisib...As has been pointed out many times before, invisible deities - especially those arising out of Middle Eastern/Mediterranean culture - are terribly similar to human beings in terms of tendencies, tastes and temperaments.<br /><br />Now, what might this possibly tell us as to their actual origins?Leonardonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-72596730460535344352013-03-23T16:39:49.373-07:002013-03-23T16:39:49.373-07:00Sure the gods like to drink wine, they also like m...Sure the gods like to drink wine, they also like meat -- you know burnt offerings. They probably crisped it up to perfection for the gods appetite. Just keep them away from young virgins.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-67869030898389077352013-03-23T14:08:32.727-07:002013-03-23T14:08:32.727-07:00Steve Kisack wrote: "At first, you impressed ...Steve Kisack wrote: "At first, you impressed me, Leonardo. Now I realize you're just one of us little peole"<br /><br /><br />Oh, I openly acknowledge to being a little person in the wider scope of things. But Steve, that's not the point. The point is that sometimes one must get hard-core and "answer a fool according to his folly" - wouldn't you agree? I mean, I think you'd have to acknowledge that sometimes people leave comments here that are quite unreadable or unintelligible, almost as if it was a chimp randomly pounding at the keyboard on the other side that happened to hit the "send" button. I'm just trying to do my little bit to encourage the dude tweeters who often post at a 2nd-grade writing level - and sometimes even seem proud of it - to raise up their rhetoric a notch or two. I do believe they can if they want to, then all will benefit, themselves most of all. We may not always agree with what they say, but at a bare minimum we can at least understand what it is they're attempting to communicate. That's all I'm saying.<br /><br />American business now has to spend over 8 BILLION dollars a year teaching college grad new hires how to write legible sentences in the English language, that's how bad the problem is getting. And my advice is FREE!Leonardonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-11369245665266147712013-03-23T13:37:21.800-07:002013-03-23T13:37:21.800-07:00Well, I've forgiven HWA/WCG for my childhood, ...Well, I've forgiven HWA/WCG for my childhood, for the lying and manipulative prophecies, and for preventing my understanding of the fullness of God, and the New Covenant. Healing is awesome, and rather than debate such theology as if theirs were actually credible, I'm satisfied with just living life and applying the new understanding I've been given. I've got a lot on my plate, and a very full life just now, and really don't have the time I used to for active debate.<br /><br />However, even having forgiven, I hope I never become desensitized to the damage Armstrongism and other false religious philosophies can do to our fellow humans. "They" say it will all be cleared up and the tears wiped away in the 2nd Rez, but why not work so that people get to experience blessings and fulfillment in this life, right now today? Real, spirit-filled Christians can't just be cavalier about these thing and flippantly dismiss all those not in their own group.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-20086550871854346482013-03-23T12:28:46.664-07:002013-03-23T12:28:46.664-07:00"peole", "a people/peon"."peole", "a people/peon".Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07190072973897851057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-51236947016847391602013-03-23T12:27:29.139-07:002013-03-23T12:27:29.139-07:00Leonardo said...
Plasma Dude 11:37, I though that...Leonardo said... <br />Plasma Dude 11:37, I though that might have been you lurking behind those profoundly vacuous tweets! Your style is, well, recognizable - though quite unremarkable, because it mimics 99% of all the other tattoo-covered, illiterate dudes out there on the Internet armed with only a keypad and a shallow intellect. But defecated feces set apart for a special purpose??? About the only thing I can immediately think of that this describes would be the intellectual content of your puerile comments. I mean, really, can't you write about anything more interesting than urine and feces? What's next? - poorly expressed tweets about vomit, pus, scabs or mucous?!<br /><br />You truly are a wonder to behold, Plas! Good luck in the burger flipping biz.<br /><br />MY COMMENT: At first, you impressed me, Leonardo. Now I realize you're just one of us little peole.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07190072973897851057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-54840521423509076272013-03-23T12:24:22.131-07:002013-03-23T12:24:22.131-07:00Corky said...
Mar 14:25 Verily I say unto you, I ... Corky said... <br />Mar 14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. <br /><br />So the question is, do immortal gods drink wine? Another question is, why?<br /><br />MY COMMENT: Hey, he made it. Why can't he drink it? :-) If I was a god, I'd be drinking really good margaritas. It's hard to find a good margarita in this universe.<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07190072973897851057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-66771610652224193362013-03-23T12:08:47.136-07:002013-03-23T12:08:47.136-07:00Plasma Dude 11:37, I though that might have been y...Plasma Dude 11:37, I though that might have been you lurking behind those profoundly vacuous tweets! Your style is, well, recognizable - though quite unremarkable, because it mimics 99% of all the other tattoo-covered, illiterate dudes out there on the Internet armed with only a keypad and a shallow intellect. But defecated feces set apart for a special purpose??? About the only thing I can immediately think of that this describes would be the intellectual content of your puerile comments. I mean, really, can't you write about anything more interesting than urine and feces? What's next? - poorly expressed tweets about vomit, pus, scabs or mucous?!<br /><br />You truly are a wonder to behold, Plas! Good luck in the burger flipping biz.Leonardonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-36929801963780533222013-03-23T11:38:53.742-07:002013-03-23T11:38:53.742-07:00Mar 14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no ...Mar 14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. <br /><br />So the question is, do immortal gods drink wine? Another question is, why?Corkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15894537940881776504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-34299488184970507802013-03-23T11:37:18.706-07:002013-03-23T11:37:18.706-07:00
Holy shit!
Plasma dude = Bad PK<br />Holy shit!<br /><br />Plasma dude = Bad PKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-17194805567227636212013-03-23T10:41:22.038-07:002013-03-23T10:41:22.038-07:00Anon 7:56 wrote: "The most fun part of this b...Anon 7:56 wrote: "The most fun part of this blog, however, is pissing on Leo'tard's pompous crap."<br /><br />Which, of course, any simplistic moron can do - as you have repeatedly and amply demonstrated with every post you make. Though I must admit I like your analogy, Anon, for urine is about the best descriptor of what issues forth from your 3rd grade intellect, and your even less impressive style of expressing it.<br /><br />However, to cogently respond to what I or anybody else writes here with any semblance of intelligence, or to present effective and thought-provoking counter-arguments that actually are comprehensible to the rest of us, now that would be a whole different ballgame, but one I'm afraid would require a level of thought, reflection, civility and mastery of the English language which you obviously haven't attained yet.<br /><br />So good luck relieving yourself, Anon, you've shown us that you can at least do something with a modest degree of competence.Leonardonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-75694689977923427402013-03-23T05:08:32.957-07:002013-03-23T05:08:32.957-07:00At least you know her husband didn't help her....At least you know her husband didn't help her...<br /><br />Bad PKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-29969365449843361412013-03-23T05:06:14.695-07:002013-03-23T05:06:14.695-07:00Head Ushers aren't supposed to think, they jus...Head Ushers aren't supposed to think, they just bring the Hymnals and berate children. <br /><br />Bad PKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-30186213843241586372013-03-23T01:49:24.153-07:002013-03-23T01:49:24.153-07:00Zombies always bring the worst potluck dishes. Tha...Zombies always bring the worst potluck dishes. That's probably the real reason she is so against their membership. <br /><br />Bad PKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-44263416953343479722013-03-23T01:45:18.006-07:002013-03-23T01:45:18.006-07:00@Joe Moeller: UCG allows its members to have opini...@Joe Moeller: UCG allows its members to have opinions? Even if they are lowly women? Very progressive, indeed. Sounds like you've found a winner of an organization, a church that almost allows you the same freedom of speech as your country. <br /><br />Bad PKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-53499849044754723042013-03-22T19:56:03.996-07:002013-03-22T19:56:03.996-07:00Holy Shit!
No2HWA: I am impressed with your pr...Holy Shit! <br /> <br />No2HWA: I am impressed with your prolific output. <br /> <br />The most fun part of this blog, however, is pissing on Leo'tard's pompous crap. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-79870395497093065162013-03-22T19:19:35.067-07:002013-03-22T19:19:35.067-07:00Hey, Corky, you're right! No mention of wine a...Hey, Corky, you're right! No mention of wine at all. Just a cup of testament. <br /><br />Me, I'm not so fond of testament. I'm getting ready to pry the lid off a bottle of praise.Retired Profnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-32027319843117456622013-03-22T16:54:09.543-07:002013-03-22T16:54:09.543-07:00Okay, so who said that there was "wine" ...Okay, so who said that there was "wine" in that cup?Corkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15894537940881776504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-87948853050310913852013-03-22T16:35:25.375-07:002013-03-22T16:35:25.375-07:00Oh no, Jesus didn't come back as a zombie - he...Oh no, Jesus didn't come back as a zombie - he came back as one of the "Walking Dead" along with "many of the saints" (Matt. 27:52).<br /><br />There's a difference - zombies are slaves to the ones who made them zombies. The walking dead are independent non-thinkers.Corkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15894537940881776504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-61395006452126839382013-03-22T15:59:44.120-07:002013-03-22T15:59:44.120-07:00Just a thought...
I think everyone here would ben...Just a thought...<br /><br />I think everyone here would benefit if we kept our comments focused on the issues instead of each other.Head Ushernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-76076734537254174052013-03-22T15:43:59.724-07:002013-03-22T15:43:59.724-07:00Also, "ays," the second collection of le...Also, "ays," the second collection of letters in my last sentence, symbolizes the word "say."Retired Profnoreply@blogger.com