tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post8007873163417427527..comments2024-03-28T18:27:22.617-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Would you lie to protect your particular Church of God? NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-7797943427635746632018-02-22T14:33:02.190-08:002018-02-22T14:33:02.190-08:00I’d lie to protect Sarah Shahi!!!
BBI’d lie to protect Sarah Shahi!!!<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-62739256843009212922018-02-21T12:35:59.776-08:002018-02-21T12:35:59.776-08:0011:00 AM, if you are telling the truth, you should...11:00 AM, if you are telling the truth, you should be able to forward the depositions to NOHWA so they can be shared on this blog. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-89574997408364486232018-02-21T11:00:55.680-08:002018-02-21T11:00:55.680-08:00To my knowledge the depositions were never posted ...To my knowledge the depositions were never posted on the internet. I read them as attachments to an email that Patrick and Elizabeth sent the LCG counsel of elders (with the exception of Doug Winnail's which was not included in the attachments).<br /><br />The depositions and several other documents and letters were privately forwarded to me and several other people I know because people were so outraged at the gross misbehavior of LCG leadership and the outright lies of the ministry. It was also shocking to read how much effort these members put in to attempting to reconcile with LCG and how cruelly they were treated even after the accusation for which they were accused had been completely proven in error.<br /><br />I have no idea why Doug Winnail was seemingly sheltered from this exposure other than to guess that he and Patrick were friends (although you'd never know it from Doug's permitting his 'friend' to be treated as he was). Perhaps there's another reason that I know nothing about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-29870837176556633742018-02-21T07:16:13.000-08:002018-02-21T07:16:13.000-08:00@ 5:33 AM
Where can we read the LCG/Scarborough d...@ 5:33 AM<br /><br />Where can we read the LCG/Scarborough depositions? Do you have a link you can share?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-89900105890375757332018-02-21T05:44:49.221-08:002018-02-21T05:44:49.221-08:00@ 3:11
Great comment! So right!
Why would a true...@ 3:11<br /><br />Great comment! So right!<br /><br />Why would a true minister of God laugh at people being turned away? Why would a true minister of God kick wayward members off the cliff instead of leaving the 99 to go after the 1? Why would true ministers of God use a sledge hammer instead of love for correction? Why would true ministers of God stand by and watch their peers lie? Why would a minister of God punish members for reading the Book of Enoch, having Bible studies or not going along with un-provable doctrinal "upgrades"? Why would a true minister of God not accept apologies and demonstrate loving forgiveness? Why would a true minister of God kick kids out of camp for passing a note? Why would a true minister of God not permit black teens to dance with white teens? Why would a true minister of God try to "counsel" a wife without her husband present?<br /><br />The answer: a true minister of God would not.<br /><br />LCG is so far off track that it's shameful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-77096008307136417232018-02-21T05:33:31.363-08:002018-02-21T05:33:31.363-08:00@ 1:29
Did you read the LCG/Scarborough depositio...@ 1:29<br /><br />Did you read the LCG/Scarborough depositions? They outline numerous lies told by Rod McNair, Rod Meredith and Charles Ogwyn. Right there in black and white. Makes it kind of hard to deny when it's in your face like that but you obviously prefer your vale of denial so please, continue whatever is working for you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-14745134636919003992018-02-21T01:10:16.066-08:002018-02-21T01:10:16.066-08:00LCG ministers probably do routinely snicker and la...LCG ministers probably do routinely snicker and laugh every time they get tithe and offering money thinking, "These tithe slaves still fall for the things we tell them"Steverenonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-40124228921348080612018-02-20T21:20:00.113-08:002018-02-20T21:20:00.113-08:00Bitter is kind of a processing mode. It’s tempora...Bitter is kind of a processing mode. It’s temporary as the full impact of what someone has lost, or how they have been hurt dawns upon them. Then, the rebuilding procees begins, and the bitterness recedes.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-17217469194416130862018-02-20T20:26:51.301-08:002018-02-20T20:26:51.301-08:00Ooooooooh, a comprehension-deprived anonymous boot...Ooooooooh, a comprehension-deprived anonymous bootlicker to the haplessly small fish of LCG is soooo offended. Well, every time I tell the blog to expect you guys to show up, you never disappoint me. My prophecy record's probably better than any COG figure at this point... <br /><br />But anyway, I'm sure you're just bursting to tell us about the LCG officeholder you made small talk with at the Walmart while they were trying to pick up a fresh supply of Extenze, right? Or how about the lucky LCG penpusher gal that you heard about that had to recommend Depends to one of the elderly ministurds over there? Totally riveting story that NO2HWA is just waiting to get from ya, I'm sure, if the National Enquirer doesn't beat down your door first to get such privileged information. Sooo superior to the rank and file LCG members at the Big Lots. Hey, if you were really a creepy type, maybe you retrieved those used Depends from a Charlotte trash can to show us, eh? Despite your hopes of getting promoted beyond hall setup crew, you're going to be pretty disappointed to hear that we're not THAT interested, sorry. But...<br /><br />One of these days, one of you suckup types is going to accidentally post something that isn't the same old cookie-cutter routine we've gotten used to from the "Yet Another Posturing LCG Blowhard" brigade, but I doubt it. Sometimes we see comments from LCG folks saying how much they don't like the self-appointed asskissers of LCG, but don't know where they can go to practice their brand of Sabbatarianism otherwise. I rather suspect your behavior has sent quite a few to ask around. That probably makes NO2HWA more indebted to you than you'll ever know, promoting his blog as well as ya do. <br /><br />Thanks for the entertainment, sucka!RSKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06427255805476848046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-38297077676430487532018-02-20T16:59:36.122-08:002018-02-20T16:59:36.122-08:00Actually, it's not a sin to feel bitter. It...Actually, it's not a sin to feel bitter. It's one of those protestant lies that are used as a club against dissidents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-59949716662668440592018-02-20T15:39:37.113-08:002018-02-20T15:39:37.113-08:00Thanks for the entertainment.
"Entertainment...<i>Thanks for the entertainment.</i><br /><br />"Entertainment"? Deceiving innocent people into believing lies is "entertainment"? If that is your idea of "entertainment" then you are as cruel, heartless and evil as Rod McNair. Maybe you <b>are</b> Rod McNair, enslaved to anger and fear at the prospect of being held accountable for your conduct? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-13390205470346159452018-02-20T15:35:32.659-08:002018-02-20T15:35:32.659-08:00Hey, 1:29, there is at least one poster here who p...Hey, 1:29, there is at least one poster here who personally picked up at Rod Meredith's home a cigarette butt left by David Meredith. That's how close to the top some of the leaks are.<br /><br />Some of the deliberate falsehoods posted here seem to be spread by bitter ex-members who were fired by LCG for cause. Even those bitter ex-members, however, still have their contacts and sometimes post true stories. If LCG is so upset by their lies, why not file lawsuits for breach of contract? At least one of them signed a non-disclosure agreement in exchange for generous severance pay. These bitter liars would be ruined if they had to pay back their severance. Why doesn't LCG do this? Could it be that they are afraid of what these bitter ex-members would disclose, because they know there is truth mixed in with their lies?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-16866240533917945802018-02-20T15:11:45.470-08:002018-02-20T15:11:45.470-08:00@ 1:29PM
You wrote: Believe you me, Weston, Winna...@ 1:29PM<br /><br />You wrote: <i>Believe you me, Weston, Winnail, Ames and every other LCG minister routinely snicker and laugh at the ridiculous and outlandish "news" and "information" that is put out here and in other hate blogs.</i><br /><br />If this blog is turning people away from the Truth and from LCG, what kind of evil minister would "snicker" at it? Why would a shepherd of God's people laugh at a Satan-inspired pack of lies that is tempting people to choose the Lake of Fire? By your own testimony, every LCG minister must be an uncaring monster who laughs at lies as long as those lies don't harm his personal reputation, no matter what those lies may do to harm innocent babes in LCG.<br /><br />Furthermore, do you realize that with your broad claim that "every" LCG minister feels as you do, and that "all" the news posted here is without merit, you are setting yourself up to be proved a liar? Do you remember how RCM bragged about unity in Global just months before the LCG split? Do you remember how HQ bragged about unity before Raymond McNair left, and before Don Haney left, and before Charles Bryce left? Do you remember that the "hate blogs" announced Dr. Germano's hiring back when at least one LCG minister "insider" posted his firm assurance that Germano had not been hired? Do you remember this blog breaking the news of John Robinson's defrocking and exile, while some "insiders" were still denying the news? Do you remember this blog's coverage of the Scarborough lawsuit, presenting facts that LCG denied until they came out in LCG's own depositions?<br /><br />I feel sorry for you, 1:29 PM. If you had claimed instead that "nearly every" LCG minister snickers at this blog, and that "much" of the news is exaggerated or false, you might at least convince a few readers that you know what you are talking about. Instead, as a fearful cult member, you cannot admit to the public that some of your ministers RIGHT NOW are in disagreement with their leaders, and that some HQ ministers are involved in unpleasant shenanigans. All you can do, fearful of losing your cushy income, is tell lies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-39325816689043354152018-02-20T13:29:34.292-08:002018-02-20T13:29:34.292-08:00Hey RSK 6:56 pm. Let's use the same criteria y...Hey RSK 6:56 pm. Let's use the same criteria you ask of LCG "insiders" who post here. So, which big names in LCG do you personally know and have spent any time with - and not in a Big Lots's line - and therefore can "vouch" for the comments made about them here from yourself and others? Who ever they may be, I guarantee you I can top it. And because I can top it, I also guarantee that the crap that is written here about Meredith, McNair, Weston, Winnail(s), Ciesielka and others is completely made up by fake "insiders" or so-called LCG members at LCG HQ. All of the "news" and "inside information" being put out here is without any merit and complete garbage. Believe you me, Weston, Winnail, Ames and every other LCG minister routinely snicker and laugh at the ridiculous and outlandish "news" and "information" that is put out here and in other hate blogs. Thanks for the entertainment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-44345625784787803502018-02-20T06:37:45.487-08:002018-02-20T06:37:45.487-08:00Often, scientists who are contemporaries are perfo...Often, scientists who are contemporaries are performing similar work, and there is controversy over who actually gets the credit for discoveries. Back in high school during the ‘60s, our science teacher pointed this factor out to us, when he frequently stated that Joseph Priestly had discovered oxygen, and that Antoine Lavoiser had received the credit for it. Now, in reading the Wikipedia article on each of these scientists, it seems that both men, as well as Carl Wilhelm Scheele are give credit for this discovery.<br /><br />In college, I learned that Edison was credited for many of Tesla’s discoveries and inventions. <br /><br />The seeking of credit is part of human nature that permeates all human activity, whether it would involve science, theology, or any other field. Even the great Ferdinand Porsche was sued for “plagiarizing” many of the design elements of the 1936 Tatra as he created the people’s car (Volkswagen) for Hitler.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-38330346470094876302018-02-20T06:36:55.016-08:002018-02-20T06:36:55.016-08:00While I don't remember being told to lie, were...While I don't remember being told to lie, were several times when a minister told us <i>not</i> to say something, like, <i>Don't say we're a church </i> [= say we're something else...]<br />At least one of HWA's urgent request for money letters did say to lie: he wanted those without enough cash to <i>borrow</i> money from a bank under false pretenses.Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-39716268236578691202018-02-19T23:44:57.994-08:002018-02-19T23:44:57.994-08:00Lying is a like a freakin superpower that can be g...Lying is a like a freakin superpower that can be gotten just by choosing it. No wonder it's often chosen. Gordon Feilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16920970799354430732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-91757104101232294002018-02-19T21:11:42.679-08:002018-02-19T21:11:42.679-08:00OMG 6:57 PM!
You seem to be an anti-science extre...<i>OMG 6:57 PM!<br /><br />You seem to be an anti-science extremist.<br /><br />Are you also anti-gravity, to the extent that you will float to the Kingdom because you hold firmly to HWA's teachings?<br /></i><br /><br />I have no idea why you think I hold to HWA's teachings. I do not. How in the world did you come up with that? <br /><br />Exposing Einstein's lies is pro-science not anti-science. You seem to confuse the science establishment with science. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-55898728090838867772018-02-19T18:56:30.016-08:002018-02-19T18:56:30.016-08:00Oh boy. Here come more LCG HQ "insiders"...Oh boy. Here come more LCG HQ "insiders", or at least the people they might have shaken hands with once when they were in the same line together in the Big Lots...RSKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06427255805476848046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-38944651781331501792018-02-19T15:46:19.688-08:002018-02-19T15:46:19.688-08:00@ 1:00 PM
Imagine how LCG (or any ACOG) would thr...@ 1:00 PM<br /><br />Imagine how LCG (or any ACOG) would thrive and prosper if it became known for helping its members become more loving and Christlike. Christ's sheep hear His voice, and would flock to the care of a shepherd who helped his sheep grow and mature and flourish as Christians.<br /><br />Instead, LCG HQ has a reputation for ruining people. Just look at some of the ministers who used to be in the field and came to HQ. Many who knew them will confirm that they became more political, more scheming, more dishonest, more cruel and generally less Christian after they had spent time at LCG HQ. One might even come to the conclusion that there is some demonic force operating not in Charlotte nursing homes, but in LCG HQ, which corrupts these men.<br /><br />Your comment about rebuking Rod McNair reminds me of one more way in which LCG has departed from what WCG used to teach. HWA liked to point out that most demonic activity wasn't of the wild-eyed and crazy kind. No, the most insidious demons are the ones who appear like an angel of light.<br /><br />Rod McNair wants us to look for demons in the dark, sad halls of nursing homes. He doesn't want us to consider that the demon-infested may appear wearing nice suits, with Brylcreem hair and pearly white teeth, offering pleasant words until you dare to question them. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-91883658557539381992018-02-19T13:37:22.198-08:002018-02-19T13:37:22.198-08:00Dave Pack and his RCG lie a lot also. Lie about s...Dave Pack and his RCG lie a lot also. Lie about statistics, slander brethren behind their backs, lie about income and expenses, lie about doctrine, lie about why they terminate employees, etc. But as long as it's for the good of the work, it is all acceptable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-44307919490926380852018-02-19T13:00:06.007-08:002018-02-19T13:00:06.007-08:00@ 11:11
You are right. LCG headquarters if so ful...@ 11:11<br /><br />You are right. LCG headquarters if so full of men with horrible character that Rod McNair indeed has plenty of competition regarding who's the worst.<br /><br />They all back bite, lie, bully, manipulate and, in general, act like they are infallible and to be obeyed mindlessly BUT... Rod McNair has a wickedness inside him that surpassed any man I have ever encountered. He's mean, hateful and angry.<br /><br />I was once in a room with him being "counseled" and I had to bite my tongue to keep from saying "by the name of Jesus Christ I rebuke you". Every fiber of my being felt his evil. Not a nice person to say the least and yet, I predict that he will soon be the head of church administration.<br /><br />It just goes to show you what attributes LCG values and rises to power.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-47767932986725256232018-02-19T11:11:55.634-08:002018-02-19T11:11:55.634-08:008:59AM, how can you say Rod McNair is "by far...8:59AM, how can you say Rod McNair is "by far the worst" when he works alongside several other men who are equally bad or worse?<br /><br />Rod McNair isn't responsible for changing LCG's entire emphasis over the last decade. Long-time members will recall that RCM used to say LCG was the "spear point" of the ACOGs because it alone spent more of its resources on the "first commission" than on "feeding the flock." In recent years, however, LCG has spent more on "feeding the flock" despite LCG accountants' desperate efforts to classify ordinary congregational and administrative functions as "preaching the gospel." <br /><br />Yes, by RCM's own published definition, LCG has become a Laodicean church, but if you dare to say this to your minister you will be kicked out (further proof that LCG is proud of itself, another Laodicean trait). <br /><br />When LCG brags about expanded outreach, does anyone dare to ask why the results of that outreach are becoming less and less? You can buy all the YouTube views and Facebook likes you want, and this may impress the old men in charge, but outsiders will recognize the tell-tale signs of empire-building and nest-feathering by ministers <b>other than Rod McNair</b> who want to gain favor with the leader and to ensure their comfortable status in the group. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-20840487660759947522018-02-19T10:41:19.329-08:002018-02-19T10:41:19.329-08:00OMG 6:57 PM!
You seem to be an anti-science extre...OMG 6:57 PM!<br /><br />You seem to be an anti-science extremist.<br /><br />Are you also anti-gravity, to the extent that you will float to the Kingdom because you hold firmly to HWA's teachings?<br /><br />Please, my friend. <br />Wiggle out of this one.<br /><br />WIGGLE !!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-71111779072561205172018-02-19T09:01:20.052-08:002018-02-19T09:01:20.052-08:00Human organizations "manage news". Some...Human organizations "manage news". Sometimes they are not even subtle about it like Big Brother Donald. His base nevertheless loves him.<br /><br />Orwell satirized "alternative facts" by creating the Ministry of Truth in his novel 1984. Its mission was to re-write history to support current changes in political views. Historical events were revised, photographs of people deleted. This idea was to re-spin reality, much like Fox News. This is the pinnacle of lying wickedly. (Is lying wickedly redundant?)<br /><br />Yet, there are many forms of lying. The idea of lying to the Nazis to protect hiding Jews, posted by someone, pushes us to the center of the dilemma. Would this be a moral lie? Do you tell the truth and watch the Jews die and feel happy with yourself?<br /><br />I know that "facts" were extensively managed in the WCG. A defeating rejection of accreditation for AC was turned into "we are pleased to announce that we have been given another opportunity to seek accreditation next year." Very upbeat for the tithing brethren but not quite true. <br /><br />Its case by case maybe.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487906691943831671noreply@blogger.com