tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post8124646869517853562..comments2024-03-28T09:55:49.032-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: "Just what do you believe?" Good Question!NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-12715696534055712352011-04-06T12:17:01.675-07:002011-04-06T12:17:01.675-07:00"You'd think if anyone would know what ha..."You'd think if anyone would know what happens, it would be him."<br /><br />Maybe. Long ago, I quit taking things Paul (whoever he actually was -- could have been more than one) said seriously. Like you and me, he had his beliefs and convictions which may or may not have been factual or true. His letters carry no more authority in my eyes than Herb's old co-worker diatribes.Allen C. Dexterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06615706118359802452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-15190631739323504172011-04-05T21:59:10.151-07:002011-04-05T21:59:10.151-07:00I also believe consciousness goes on after departn...I also believe consciousness goes on after departng the body.. If it were not so, why was the great Apostle Paul unsure if his heavenly vision was observed from "outside or inside his body"(2 Cor 12)? <br />You'd think if anyone would know what happens, it would be him.<br /> YahkinsUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16002781482250133509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-55787156850719007732011-04-03T21:45:59.946-07:002011-04-03T21:45:59.946-07:00No, Believer, faith doesn't enter in for me, e...No, Believer, faith doesn't enter in for me, especially faith in any so-called savior.<br /><br />I'm basing my belief on what I read and see on TV recounting the experiences of people who are obviously speaking and writing in sincerity about what they have persoanally experienced. <br /><br />My former wife who died from lung cancer lived for about nine years in Tombstone. She operated a small business there that was locked up tightly every night with armored padlocks. In the morning, she would find numerous things she had sequstered in set spots the night before moved to another location and obvious signs that something had been going on during the previous night. Her daughter, my step daughter, worked in Big Nose Kates bar and had numerous hair raising experiences when she was alone there, involving touch and hearing by someone or something who called her by name.<br /><br />Dismiss it all as anecdote if you must, but I cannot. I have noticed, however, that none of the things I refer have any connection with common ideas and doctrines about heaven or hell.Allen C. Dexterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06615706118359802452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-61374247526437357572011-04-03T13:41:10.630-07:002011-04-03T13:41:10.630-07:00Dexter said
"I personally believe that cons...Dexter said <br /><br />"I personally believe that consciousness doesn't end at death. I can't prove it to anyone's satisfaction if they don't feel the same way, but the evidence seems to me to be overwhelming."<br /><br />That evidence is called "faith."<br /><br />I watched my own mother closely in 2009 as she lay in the casket. There is no consciousness beyond the grave, dead is dead.<br /><br />The only hope is resurrection and for me the Messiah Yahushua who overcame death is the answer.Believernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-2799614561068081662011-04-03T13:27:15.053-07:002011-04-03T13:27:15.053-07:00It does matter what I personally believe, because ...It does matter what I personally believe, because that reflects who I am.Candid Answersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-82891888286663281812011-04-03T10:43:26.168-07:002011-04-03T10:43:26.168-07:00And Dennis I am not trying to hurt you or offend y...And Dennis I am not trying to hurt you or offend you in any way but I firmly stand on what I publish as my platform . It is what I sincerely believe.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Michael<br />TTDOCFMichael D. Maynardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12458157501296521383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-26990887976769974732011-04-03T10:38:12.712-07:002011-04-03T10:38:12.712-07:00Dennis said;
"You are the only person here w...Dennis said;<br /><br />"You are the only person here who refused to respond with anything positive however. You went after the writer and that is what I find typical of those who are not as open in their sharing and certainly would never say, "i have had my own doubts along the way, but here is what I believe in my heart."<br /><br />Oh come on Dennis...you keep going around in circles. You know emphatically what I believe. Just glean that from my blog and all my past comments. <br /><br />I am transparent to any who care to investigate. WYSIWG. Not an intellectual, need I mention. My agenda is clearly defined.<br /><br />I have 'born my soul' in comments to your prior blogs to which I took grave exception and was personally attacked and had my intellect brought into question.<br /><br />That Dog Don't hunt no more...I know you now and it is not "positive sincerity" you want to draw out of the readers....it is their bowels as you intellectually eviscerate them for their opposing view. <br /><br />So your best reader seems to be one who is: 1)too timid to comment or, 2)stupid enough to comment, or 3) those of the same mind set(all three of them).<br /><br />Here is the problem I have with your approach. You claim you are more expert on what you don't believe than what you do. That does not seem to be a very solid platform from which to condemn all others for what they do believe.<br /><br />As I wrote earlier. If you were a devout atheist, I could respect your writings. Then when you called me deluded or believing a Jesus myth.I would know exactly where you are coming from.<br /><br />But what you are doing now is not rational in any way and your inconsistency undermines your arguments.<br /><br />Take a stand, declare some form of Deism, Agnostic,or be an devout Atheist. Until then, don't confuse me with your ambuity....maybe politics is your calling. You can be for and against every issue. <br /><br /><br />Michael<br />TTDOCFMichael D. Maynardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12458157501296521383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-80860995152097291782011-04-03T09:46:27.926-07:002011-04-03T09:46:27.926-07:00"I am not interested in your voice or persona..."I am not interested in your voice or personality. I judge a man by the content of what is on the inside, by what he believes. What comes from the mouth comes from the heart."<br /><br />I wasnt interested in you hearing my voice or experiencing my personality. I was giving you an opportunity to judge a man by the content of what is on the inside. By what he believes. By getting to know more from the heart than I have written or spoken by mouth to anyone here.<br /><br />Alas, skip it. <br /><br />You are the only person here who refused to respond with anything positive however. You went after the writer and that is what I find typical of those who are not as open in their sharing and certainly would never say, "i have had my own doubts along the way, but here is what I believe in my heart."<br /><br />Neither one of us can have the other's experience. We each have our own and it is what forms and informs us. And that's ok.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-59823605546792165372011-04-03T08:12:55.269-07:002011-04-03T08:12:55.269-07:00Michael...I WAS the first commenter. It started, &...Michael...I WAS the first commenter. It started, "And no fair saying..." <br /><br />My bad, I missed that. I guess it was just too good to pass up, guess i pulled the trigger too quick and shot off my own toe. Oh well, it will grow back:<0<br /><br />But this was special: <br /><br />And no fair saying:<br />"I believe you are delusional"<br /><br />If you make the rules they should be rules you play by all the time, shouldn't they? I believe you have tagged me with delusional at least once in prior debates.<br /><br />Dennis, this is not 6th grade and you are not my 6th grade teacher, and I am a big boy now and don't need to follow your set of rules.<br /><br />Like selling a refrigerator to an Eskimo? My personal ethics and love for my neighbor would prohibit that. Unless the Eskimo used it for a smoker:<]<br /><br />Let me ask this. What would you say in a phone call or personal conversation that you have not already written of yourself. The things you write are the essential you, the character of the man on paper, or electronic images. I am not interested in your voice or personality. I judge a man by the content of what is on the inside, by what he believes. What comes from the mouth comes from the heart. Unless you are a con-man conning everyone here. What will you say to me, that all of this is a ruse and I am just yanking the chains of those smug Jesus people?<br /><br /><br />Michael<br />TTDOCFMichael D. Maynardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12458157501296521383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-28750334278509986922011-04-03T05:26:26.550-07:002011-04-03T05:26:26.550-07:00Michael--How about you give me a call and we get a...Michael--How about you give me a call and we get aquainted and I'll not say a word to another human being about what we we talk about?<br /><br />It might be good for both of us on the journey.<br /><br />My cell # is all over the internet with my practice etc, and has never been much of a problem. Besides maybe I need something sold to me I didn't know I just had to have..:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-76837326963313658162011-04-03T05:13:35.727-07:002011-04-03T05:13:35.727-07:00Michael...I WAS the first commenter. It started, ...Michael...I WAS the first commenter. It started, "And no fair saying..." <br /><br />Faith tends to be that which we exhibit before we get the facts eventually. <br /><br />As for vomit, you would need to tell that to the many well understood, educated theologians who have made a career out of learning just what the Bible does say, and why, where it really comes from and why, who really wrote it and when, and politics of disagreement going on between the authors from Genesis to Revelation.<br /><br />And don't pretend to know me without having spent anytime with me personally or discussing things face to face. You don't really know me anymore than I really know you.<br /><br />Your faith and journey is yours alone as is mine and all those who have their filters through which they see it all, as do we all.<br /><br />I write and share to process my own experience as Minister/member/man as I assume you are doing as well.<br /><br />NamasteAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-7298014322515813092011-04-02T18:05:09.101-07:002011-04-02T18:05:09.101-07:00"Somehow Michael I knew it would be you who w..."Somehow Michael I knew it would be you who would be incapable of coming up with anything positive and personal in answering the question."<br /><br />That was not me alone Dennis, I was quoting the first commenter. He and I were on the same page on this issue.<br /><br />Dennis, if there had been one point that had merit I would have.<br /><br />And Dennis, If I am a fool for Christ, for believing...so be it!<br />I will wear that badge with honor!<br /><br />I think you are coming unglued, please don't throw a tantrum here Dennis.<br /><br />Michael<br />TTDOCFMichael D. Maynardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12458157501296521383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-45304803670247624132011-04-02T17:54:07.818-07:002011-04-02T17:54:07.818-07:00Dennis..
"I'll report all your to me per...Dennis..<br /><br />"I'll report all your to me personally here.".....What?<br /><br /><br />Dennis, I have dealt with many like you....you try to intimidate others intellectually through whit and clever stories with what seems to be logic. I know you Dennis, and I don't need to know any more than I know now. I have spent a long career in sales and at the top of corporations and see right through people.<br /><br />You feel uncomfortable with anyone who believes in absolutes because you lack faith. Ask for faith it is a gift. You were duped into going to Ambassador College, I ran the other way when I chose an education. Because I saw where it could lead, and I was correct.<br /><br />You are a result of manipulation and brainwashing and now are trying to deal with the built up scars. I am sorry. <br /><br />If you think I am smug you mistake smug for absolute, resolute, and unwavering in my faith. Dennis...I KNOW WHAT I BELIEVE IS REAL AND FACTUAL AND HAVE NOT ONE SINGLE DOUBT!!! Smug,NO...Beyond humbled to have been a Pharisee like Paul and now see Grace...Now I know why I was called to minister this way.<br /><br /><br />Sorry for you Dennis, but your dilemma is not my fault, and I will not share in any way in your guilt or confusion. I do not like you spewing your vomit on people who are trying to sort things out within their own faith.<br /> <br />As far as my blogs site. If only one Armstrongite is drawn out of the lie and into grace my efforts will be worth it. I talk to many I personally know...and they are upset at what I write and are shunning me...so I know I am having the effect that I hoped for.<br /><br />As far as proof texting, I am doing the opposite of that, I go to great length to site long passages and refer readers to the entire chapters. I am battling exactly the proof text religion of Armstrongism, the way you were trained. <br /><br />I have no memory verses, I include all of the context or I don't use it.<br /><br />Thanks for the phone number, I hope you don't get too many sales calls tonight.<br /><br />But it's free country, so as you were.<br /><br />Michael<br />TTDOCFMichael D. Maynardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12458157501296521383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-48769134061626344042011-04-02T17:46:02.982-07:002011-04-02T17:46:02.982-07:00Somehow Michael I knew it would be you who would b...Somehow Michael I knew it would be you who would be incapable of coming up with anything positive and personal in answering the question.<br /><br />Rather than offer a few positive and non-judgmental comments about your own views, you simply make a constant fool out of yourself flapping your religious mouthAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-38659518307483157322011-04-02T15:01:16.386-07:002011-04-02T15:01:16.386-07:00Michael. I took a look at your site and can't...Michael. I took a look at your site and can't seem to find even one comment on your proof texting approach to everything God. Is that because no one reads you or because no one cares to comment because you are such an offensive and smug Jesus person?<br /><br />Get a spine as you say Michael and give me a call 864 905 5804 and we'll get aquainted. I'll report all your to me personally here.<br /><br />DennisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-15777970346557119262011-04-02T14:23:55.564-07:002011-04-02T14:23:55.564-07:00Unfortunately today, science with fantastical fict...Unfortunately today, science with fantastical fiction is called Science Fiction, but the kind of science fantasy / fiction written by Armstrongists simply could not pass muster at <i>Analog</i> or <i>Asimov's</i>, nor Tor Publishing, for that matter.<br /><br />The criteria is too restrictive to permit publishing of the distorted perceptions of the Armstrongist Community by well grounded publishers. In short, the fiction won't sell, particularly with people who know reality from the fiction -- in this case, called "scientists".<br /><br />There's just no way they measure up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-24488483151621596832011-04-02T13:08:07.117-07:002011-04-02T13:08:07.117-07:00"Paul, I think you are confusing science with..."Paul, I think you are confusing science with fantastical fiction."<br /><br />Yes i like that you put it your own words. <br /><br /><br />Michael <br />TTDOCFMichael D. Maynardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12458157501296521383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-79239059375830461352011-04-02T12:13:24.299-07:002011-04-02T12:13:24.299-07:00"Is this not what I previously pointed out to..."Is this not what I previously pointed out to you and that you denied?"<br /><br />This would have been more apt:<br /><br />"Paul, I think you are confusing science with fantastical fiction."<br /><br /><br />Paul RayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-72386592341257341262011-04-02T11:26:00.698-07:002011-04-02T11:26:00.698-07:00Anonymous said...
"Dennis, I believe you are...Anonymous said...<br /><br />"Dennis, I believe you are nuts."<br /><br />You think...?<br /><br />Please commenter; don't encourage Him, that is what Dennis feeds on.<br /><br />Dennis has no idea what he believes and wants followers in his religion called; "Confusionism.". You know, the ‘Misery loves company’ thing. If he really believed what he writes he would not be posting it at Banned. Maybe he still does because Atheists and Antichrist’s banned HIS stuff. Too wishy- washy for them. He just lacks the courage to go all the way. <br /><br />Get a spine Dennis, get off the fence, make a stand!<br /><br />On Monday he writes, those who believe in Jesus and God are delusional for they are but myth.<br /><br />Tuesday he is expounding on prophecies from the Old Testament book of Isaiah explaining what a non-existent God (his view) really meant for a non-existent tribe of Israel called Ephraim.<br /><br />Wednesday he is calling creationists deceived and foolish. Then the following Friday contradicts that.<br /><br />Thursday he says the "Jesus myth" comes from pagan mythology, ignoring that the Jesus prophecy was millennia before the mythical characters he says the mythical Jesus was based on.<br /><br />Friday he writes that He believes in a deity, he just calls him a "benevolent thing." And hopes that reincarnation is real so he has a second chance. (Christians call that the "resurrection' Dennis, there may be a third one) <br /><br />Christians have a name for this "benevolent thing," His name is Elohim. Your name is Dennis. “Benevolent thing” is named Elohim. Didn’t you hear Jim? He carry it with Him everywhere He go.<br /><br />“At least I'd like to believe this”…go ahead Dennis, believe it, you have my permission.<br /><br />Why do I read Dennis' stuff? I enjoy Satire and Comedy. I can hardly wait for Saturday and Sunday!<br /><br />Michael<br />TTDOCFMichael D. Maynardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12458157501296521383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-28614964716504099872011-04-02T10:15:31.310-07:002011-04-02T10:15:31.310-07:00Hello again Mr. Ray,
"I too dream. I am not ...Hello again Mr. Ray,<br /><br />"I too dream. I am not some automaton; I love fantastical fiction more than I do science."<br /><br />Is this not what I previously pointed out to you and that you denied?<br /><br />:<)<br /><br />Michael<br />TTDOCFMichael D. Maynardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12458157501296521383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-10897283161988287122011-04-02T08:26:44.946-07:002011-04-02T08:26:44.946-07:00I believe that the words attributed to Jesus, &quo...I believe that the words attributed to Jesus, "What is truth?" explained that truth is in the eye of the beholder. <br /><br />In science, truth is in the math. <br />In humanity it is ones "version" of reality. If two walk together and agree, it is there you will find a version of truth. Maybe not your truth, but someones else. <br /><br />"I believe in science" and like science, one truth outstanding is that HWA was a drunken vagabond and his campaigns of malice and malignity may have been conceived in idealism, but they quickly degenerated into vainglorious, pompous stoicism.<br /><br />Herb's follower are just like the old goat. They exhibit an air of superiority. You realize, of course, that's really just a defense mechanism to cover up their obvious inferiority. In theory, ignorant and highly emotional persons were frequently swayed by his bombast and fustian words. But in reality, he believed that people are pawns to be used and manipulated. What treachery!<br /><br />Education is the answer, not putting your ears toward invidious, unholy mind games that masquerade as religion. If your eyes can see and ears hear, then you should be able to percieve that Armstrong-ism was and is nothing less than religious Gleichschaltung.Jameshttp://hwarmstrong.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-38042983275414365202011-04-02T07:23:14.219-07:002011-04-02T07:23:14.219-07:00I believe that I can pretty much prove Armstrongis...I believe that I can pretty much prove Armstrongists are nuts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-2713199555747866092011-04-02T06:53:52.488-07:002011-04-02T06:53:52.488-07:00What do we believe ...
It is only now, at age 58,...What do we believe ...<br /><br />It is only now, at age 58, that I have come to understand that virtually everything I have believed throughout my life was either a lie or a misrepresentation. That virtually everything needs to be throughly researched and, even then, you still cannot be 100% certain you have the truth. I have also learned that the more someone pounds something into your head, the greater the likelihood that it isn't true. The classic, "argument weak, yell louder." Why, I think that just summed up the entirety of the WCG !! Although same for politics, government, business, religion, marketing and advertising, and even the day-to-day gossip that we all hear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-92102542493867561712011-04-01T15:51:30.395-07:002011-04-01T15:51:30.395-07:00http://www.amazon.com/Evolution-What-Fossils-Say-M...http://www.amazon.com/Evolution-What-Fossils-Say-Matters/dp/0231139624<br /><br />:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-53408608659017665382011-04-01T15:34:20.069-07:002011-04-01T15:34:20.069-07:00Such as? If you mean like wacky physics stuff, it&...Such as? If you mean like wacky physics stuff, it's over my head and out of my area of interest- I don't really give it any thought and so I can't say that I "accept" it. Another thing about that area is that I don't know jack about physics, and while I don't place blind trust in the pronouncement of physicists (triple anti-matter exists because I saw it on the Discovery Channel), I have to be cautious when I approach the subject. I may not understand their experimental approaches, much less the hypothesis and the results. So there is leeway given....<br /><br />But I find physics boring, and so I doubt I will ever study it. <br /><br />Also, I tend to be skeptical of politically charged science, like global warming. Things like that, like evolution, I have to look at the actual hard data myself. <br /><br />Paul RayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com