tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post8233496960000455613..comments2024-03-29T03:57:21.878-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Ron Weinland: My Church is a Tithe of the Tithe of the Tithe of the One Third of the Two ThirdsNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-13638351174739317032013-04-01T11:49:15.876-07:002013-04-01T11:49:15.876-07:000/10, Corky, when you troll, no one is supposed to...0/10, Corky, when you troll, no one is supposed to be able to tell who you are. :-)Velvetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-52552209556213222992013-04-01T11:44:46.830-07:002013-04-01T11:44:46.830-07:00I just love to read encouraging comments like the ...I just love to read encouraging comments like the one posted by Anonymous 2:05! Right on, brother or sister! You understand! The Mormons totally rock!<br />They have led me to the Holy Spirit, and now I now have a one-on-one relationship with God.<br />Others will never understand. God works in mysterious ways. My son now has a one-on-one relationship with God, due to him being miraculously being influenced by Skinheads.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-7257043934787784062013-04-01T09:32:26.913-07:002013-04-01T09:32:26.913-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-44700181203805767822013-04-01T07:45:28.822-07:002013-04-01T07:45:28.822-07:00Anon Said: This seems the best explanation for rel...Anon Said: This seems the best explanation for religious experiences, especially since they are so different depending on the religion one grew up with in the surrounding culture. American's find "Christ" in such imaginary guidance. Indians find "Krishna." Chinese tend toward "Buddha." The reason for this seems more dependent on their culture than any real experience.<br /><br />My comment: This is an accurate assessment of the psychology of religion. It is in the nature of a human being to seek a greater Thou to fill in the answers to questions regarding life’s beginning and purpose. Today science is searching for these answers, but fails to consider the possibility that intelligence may exist prior to and outside the formation of the universe. Religion personifies intelligence and wisdom making it the THOU that is the source of life. This is the reason the worship and prayer play an important role in all religions. Those who have accepted the reality of a greater Thou will experience a spiritual relationship that influences the physical emotions. If the religion is focused on a wholesome development of the human life it has a positive experience. If it is focused on satiating human lust and greed there is disastrous destruction. <br />These are some of my personal thoughts.<br />A. Boocher <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-69924715594204268972013-03-30T17:07:33.829-07:002013-03-30T17:07:33.829-07:00If I could prove to myself with a fair amount of c...If I could prove to myself with a fair amount of confidence that God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are real, then yeah, I'd say your right. But I can't. Even though I'd like to. But neither can you. Frankly, I just think some people have more fertile imaginations than others, a better capacity for deluding themselves than others. This seems the best explanation for religious experiences, especially since they are so different depending on the religion one grew up with in the surrounding culture. American's find "Christ" in such imaginary guidance. Indians find "Krishna." Chinese tend toward "Buddha." The reason for this seems more dependent on their culture than any real experience.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-49136349265818014942013-03-30T13:14:22.743-07:002013-03-30T13:14:22.743-07:00I just love to read encouraging comments like the ...I just love to read encouraging comments like the one posted by Anonymous 2:05! Right on, brother or sister! You understand! <br /><br />However, the comment just above it, by Anonymous 6:53 misses the point of a true spiritual experience. Why? Insertion of a human hierarchy between one's self, and the deity. God is perfectly capable of guiding us to truth in the same manner that one learns from a collection of textbooks and teachers. One precept or concept at a time. I'm always amazed at the questions from people who have only taken the time to get to know me superficially, such as, "So who's your guru now, Bob?" Or, is (insert name here) your guru now?"<br /><br />We don't need the types of gurus who spoon feed us their own understanding and then measure our spiritual growth by how faithfully we follow them! In addition to regular heart-felt prayer and personal Bible Study, all that is needed is an occasional nugget from someone wiser in the Lord, and more experienced in the Christian walk. The place where aspiring Christians make a mistake is in assuming that since a particular teacher shed a little light, suddenly that person is entitled to our tithes, and obedience, and that we're considered to be a member of his group. Membership in a corporate church group should never take a back seat to membership in the body of Christ. The relationship is with God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. Not other humans, though occasionally they can provide an assist.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-74709014178492062472013-03-30T10:59:32.008-07:002013-03-30T10:59:32.008-07:00Personally I've found that my invisible little...Personally I've found that my invisible little green Leprechaun guides me in my life. There's absolutely no doubt about it that his spirit helps me to see truths unknown to all the rest of you evil unbelievers. And I love the feeling this gives me - just one orgasmic rush of goosebumps and tingling all over my body! EEEWWWW!!!! In my search for the perfect four-leaved clover, I'd be lost if it wasn't for my dear, precious, sweet Leprechaun who loves me and thinks I'm the hottest thing since sliced bread. To know I'm at peace and rest with my Leprechaun, well, oh, oh, here comes the feeling again...EEEEWWWWWWW!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-87417649130936848272013-03-30T02:05:56.447-07:002013-03-30T02:05:56.447-07:00Byker Bob that's exactly what I've done as...Byker Bob that's exactly what I've done as a result of my search for a perfect church. I found it not here on earth but in the "body of Christ". The Holy Spirit is now my dedicated helper allowing me to grow in God's truth more and more. It's such a wonderful feeling to be at rest with our Lord and saved. It's worth more than all the gold in the Universe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-47915311223644607612013-03-29T18:53:02.339-07:002013-03-29T18:53:02.339-07:00"Best bet is the direct connection. Ask God t..."Best bet is the direct connection. Ask God to walk with you, and then expect His mentoring!"<br /><br />Oh, you mean like the leaders and members in the COG's claim to be doing, with the result that God is "mentoring" them in 360 different directions at once?<br /><br />Then there's the rest of Christianity - all claiming God's guidance. Bob, all I can say is it must be nice having "the real thing" like you apparently claim to have. Many if not most religious people claim to be guided by a deity, plus a good dose of wishful thinking. What makes you any different?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-21569832708702686392013-03-29T15:49:33.527-07:002013-03-29T15:49:33.527-07:00Amen, Anonymous! The church is the body of believ...Amen, Anonymous! The church is the body of believers in Jesus Christ around the world, and throughout history. "Collectors" get in the act and mess everything up by attempting to superimpose their understanding on the groups that they form. They also often set up criteria and constructs to rule out other sincere Christians.<br /><br />Best bet is the direct connection. Ask God to walk with you, and then expect His mentoring! Idiocy like gets exposed here grieves the Holy Spirit! <br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-3610887833768760932013-03-28T21:53:18.119-07:002013-03-28T21:53:18.119-07:00I have been in contact with members of a variety o...I have been in contact with members of a variety of COGs, searching for a true church. They are all nice and very friendly. JWs are also very nice and friendly, perhaps even more so that COG followers. All I can say is they are all synagogues of Satan, wolves in sheep's clothing. As for my search for a true church, there is none here on earth. They are all imperfect to varying degrees, some worse than others. COGs, JWs, Mormons and the like are the worst and there is no question they are misguided cults at best. Best to avoid them like the plague.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-73496641140231812302013-03-28T21:13:58.815-07:002013-03-28T21:13:58.815-07:00To: Anonymous @ 8:00
I didn't't know all ...To: Anonymous @ 8:00<br />I didn't't know all the members or ministers. I've never been to a COG. I'm going by what I've read and a little personal contact with some people who are or were members.<br />Examples: it's mean to separate people from their families and deprive them of spending Christmas, Easter etc with each other. It's mean to not allow celebrations of birthdays, especially for little children. It's abusive to make toddlers and small children sit quietly in long sermons and be hit if they get restless or act like children. It is emotionally abusive to frighten children and vulnerable people with horror stories and terrible pictures of what some old man (Armstrong) imagined to be the end times or apocalypse or whatever it is called. It is abusive to insist on people giving 20% or more of their income so the old man could jet around the world and live in ultra luxury. It was abusive to insist that people leave their spouses if there had been a previous marriage. It is arrogant to believe you have the right to tell women whether or not they can wear make-up. It is super arrogant to say you are an apostle of God.it is extremely close-minded to believe only you or only your church could possibly be right. I'm sure there are/were nice people among the congregations (but beaten-down, abused, brain-washed nice people). The churches of god (COGs) as a whole were not good. They obviously served and continue to serve an emotional function for the people who voluntarily belong but they aren't beneficial in the long run. I especially feel sympathy for the children who had no choice, I could go on but it's all down in writing in books on the Internet over and over in the stories ex-members tell. G.G.G.G.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-13298354947304491592013-03-28T20:06:58.536-07:002013-03-28T20:06:58.536-07:00Tweet: Now we see why people were victims of HWA i...Tweet: Now we see why people were victims of HWA in the first place. Their bullshit detection system was insufficiently developed, and usually still is, which is why they now put too much trust in the corrupt establishment. Please read some web sites or books on critical thinking. We all need more of it! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-17593720774505165172013-03-28T20:01:44.838-07:002013-03-28T20:01:44.838-07:00Tweet: Hey people, turn your bullshit detectors on...Tweet: Hey people, turn your bullshit detectors on. Then face them inwards. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-34702498299252440792013-03-28T20:00:40.407-07:002013-03-28T20:00:40.407-07:00"Too bad most of them were also mean, abusive..."Too bad most of them were also mean, abusive, extremely close-minded and arrogant." <br /> <br />Tweet: Most of the ones I knew were pretty nice. I think you're exaggerating quite a bit, which makes that a mean, abusive, closed-minded, and arrogant thing to say. Maybe the problem was you. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-42663813663466041032013-03-28T19:56:37.978-07:002013-03-28T19:56:37.978-07:00"Disappear? Except for the Shakers, that has ..."Disappear? Except for the Shakers, that has never happened to any far out group..." <br /> <br />Tweet: I find that hard to believe. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-48407459712878716492013-03-28T19:34:17.674-07:002013-03-28T19:34:17.674-07:00No Allen, you're right, these groups aren'...No Allen, you're right, these groups aren't about to disappear, but eventually no two of the people will be able to tolerate each other, so they will all be on their own, doing their own independent little blog and youtube "work". Each one will be different and put extreme emphasis on a couple of pet doctrines. Each one will also claim to be the one and only true gospel lost for 1900 years until god revealed it directly to the mind of yours truly. But they'll all say that if you want to flee to Petra when the times comes in 3-5 years, subscribe to my youtube channel! In the old days they subscribed with hyssop by putting blood on the doorposts, but I guess god works with the technology that you have. Besides, landlords and homeowner's associations frown on animal sacrifices and don't like it when there's blood around the entrance of your apartment or house.<br /><br />Come to think of it, it would make a pretty good addition to Showtime's lineup to have a show about the day-to-day existence of a COGer and all the strange hoops they have to jump through. Your typical audience member couldn't imagine anyone seriously living like that, so it would be interpreted as comedy. It would sit nicely in between Californication and Shameless. I already recognize a lot of church member habits in both of those shows already anyway.<br /><br />So, maybe it isn't about to go away, but it could slowly be transformed into comedy, like Ron and Bob. After all, it started out as comedy anyway, and it would have been funnier way back if there hadn't been so much tragedy in the mix as well. What do you think is the fuel that keeps this blog humming? NO2 just siphons out the comedy.Head Ushernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-29140165226542886222013-03-28T19:14:11.964-07:002013-03-28T19:14:11.964-07:00Jews never tithed with anything but produce. The ...Jews never tithed with anything but produce. The Jews of today donate money to charities but they do not call it tithing. Tithing stopped a long time ago. COGs can't even get that simple truth right. As far as I'm concerned they are all synagogues of Satan.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-54103412405885546062013-03-28T19:07:08.043-07:002013-03-28T19:07:08.043-07:00729The formula from Weinland is more complicated t...729The formula from Weinland is more complicated than filling out a long form 1040 tax compliance with a couple of schedules attached! <br /><br />So lets do the math...<br />One third of 150,000 = 50,000<br /><br />A tenth of 50,000 = 5,000<br /><br />A tenth of that = 500<br /><br />Thus we can conclude that Weinland views his church universe, or "his followers" at around 500. <br /><br />All this math is giving me a headache (as does Weinland!) <br /><br />So instead of Biblical math madness, how about some math fun and levity! ...<br /><br />***Why did the math book look so sad? Because it had so many problems.<br /><br />***Decimals have a point.<br /><br />***Why do plants hate math? Because it gives them square roots.<br /><br />***Have you heard the latest statistics joke? Probably.<br /><br />***What do you call an empty parrot cage? Polygon.<br /><br />***Without geometry, life is pointless<br /><br />Luv, <br />Joe Moeller <br />Cody, WYAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08762918803284340960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-9535352391420262942013-03-28T16:59:14.480-07:002013-03-28T16:59:14.480-07:00"In spite of all the above absurdities there ..."In spite of all the above absurdities there are still many in Armstrongism today who claim that the Church is 100%logical and 100% correct in all things. "<br />It was always absurd and nothing but a bunch of mumbo-jumbo. Too bad most of them were also mean, abusive, extremely close-minded and arrogant. G.G.ggnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-65717270898386154202013-03-28T15:52:53.686-07:002013-03-28T15:52:53.686-07:00I perfectly understand midrash. Had a bad case of...I perfectly understand midrash. Had a bad case of it that lasted for several weeks before it finally cleared up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-22962896846123862102013-03-28T15:40:14.124-07:002013-03-28T15:40:14.124-07:00Ronnies god seems a bit inept. Or maybe its Ron. I...Ronnies god seems a bit inept. Or maybe its Ron. Is this the beginning of a transformed church? If so, what name can we expect? <br /><br />The "Geriatric Church of god"<br />The "Church of god, by the Insane Prophet"<br />The "Church of god New and Improved" Painful Truthhttp://the-painful-truth-group.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-72567659166069141592013-03-28T15:26:33.932-07:002013-03-28T15:26:33.932-07:00All cults eventually shrink but never disappear co...All cults eventually shrink but never disappear completely, not until Jesus returns.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-20017661234987480502013-03-28T14:29:04.992-07:002013-03-28T14:29:04.992-07:00IF Wcg minister understood Midrash, they would be ...IF Wcg minister understood Midrash, they would be able to relax and let it go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-42769638225716052812013-03-28T13:47:19.913-07:002013-03-28T13:47:19.913-07:00Disappear? Except for the Shakers, that has never...Disappear? Except for the Shakers, that has never happened to any far out group and it only happened to them because they didn't reproduce and couldn't attract enough people dumb enough to keep their group going.<br /><br />Sorry. I'd like to see the stupid madness disappear also, but it isn't about to happen.Allen C. Dexterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06615706118359802452noreply@blogger.com