tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post8693382106419347659..comments2024-03-27T21:43:30.116-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: God Told Me To Tell You...NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-25321490330120022202018-04-12T05:35:58.477-07:002018-04-12T05:35:58.477-07:00HWA never used the phrase that God told him, that ...HWA never used the phrase that God told him, that I am aware of. He did however, say that God revealed this or that to him, giving the impression that God intervened at that moment in time to open his mind to some new truth. This can happen while one is reading the Bible, but to leave out this fact of 'while reading' gives the listener/reader a much different impression.<br /><br />HWA as we all should know, was a con man from the very beginning. He was a covetous person who was only out done years later by Pack.Sweetblood777https://www.blogger.com/profile/11000268749016977800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-65111038854430082192018-04-11T09:15:19.913-07:002018-04-11T09:15:19.913-07:00I have noticed that "god" talks to more ...I have noticed that "god" talks to more people in regions strongly influenced by Pentecostalism than other areas. I used to live in Tulsa, Oklahoma, home of Rhema Bible College and Oral Roberts University and "god" talked a lot. In fact, miracles happened all the time. I listened to some ORU students in the back of the bus while riding to me office downtown. And miracles were commonplace. A student related how he had put a small amount of spaghetti in a pan and it multiplied many times over - that kind of miracle. Somebody was always having a miracle happen. <br /><br />While in Tulsa for the FOT, my family and I were eating breakfast in a Village Inn and an older woman came up to our table and had a message from god for us. The message was "keep doing what you are doing and everything will be all right." I think many Tulsans would have welcomed this but I just felt a little creeped out. We got up a left later but everything did not turn out all right. We left my son's sippy cup and we had to go back and retrieve it. He really would not drink out of another cup. We got to the Village Inn and the waiter had already thrown the cup away and had to retrieve it from the dumpster. I think if she had not delivered a message we would not have forgotten the sippy cup. <br /><br />Armstrongites do not claim hearing the voice of god because I believe that for them it bears the stigma of demonic influence. I have never heard an Armstrongite claim any kind of extraordinary communication. <br /><br />Herbert, however, was taught directly by Jesus Christ in a library in Des Moines, Iowa - like Paul was taught separately. I have never heard much about the details from the pulpit. Did Herbert actually claim to see Christ and speak with him? Or did he just study in the usual manner and later come to understand that his study was specially enriched by god. I have never heard an explanation of this odd incident. It should be better understood, however, because it is the origination point of the Armstrongist brand of Millerism. <br /><br />I am surprised that some Armstrongist sect has not gone back to that library in Des Moines to acquire some artifacts - like a sacred chair or a sacred table or sacred pencil sharpener. Something to mark the miraculous beginning of the Radio Church of God. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487906691943831671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-73665264972076034412018-04-10T21:17:09.590-07:002018-04-10T21:17:09.590-07:00poster 2:09 Your post makes less a point than does...<br />poster 2:09 Your post makes less a point than does Connie's ! I get the joke !! <br />You present yourself as having the humility of a donkey cart load of Malm's on the way <br />to a stoning . ( smile )<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-14218421901072847832018-04-10T18:34:47.513-07:002018-04-10T18:34:47.513-07:00The next time someone claims they have direct comm...The next time someone claims they have direct communication from God tell them to record the conversation so that there is proof that it actually happened. It is so sad that there are people I know that have said that God told them which direction to go when faced with an important decision in their life. So many times it was the wrong decision because they thought that "the Lord" guided them to make that decision but really it was their own thought process based on their own flawed reasoning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-67027245420906177942018-04-10T17:36:13.539-07:002018-04-10T17:36:13.539-07:00Anon said: "
If Dennis is the person who he c...Anon said: "<br />If Dennis is the person who he claims to be on this site, I find it hard to believe that God never communicated to him. "<br /><br />That makes absolutely no sense.<br />DennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-27617134416919227342018-04-10T17:21:57.382-07:002018-04-10T17:21:57.382-07:00Gerald Flurry's prayer rock revealed it to him...Gerald Flurry's prayer rock revealed it to him. Or was it the devil? Or, maybe he has split personalities. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-47646176895755455242018-04-10T16:52:09.849-07:002018-04-10T16:52:09.849-07:00From childhood we have been indoctrinated to show ...<i>From childhood we have been indoctrinated to show respect to men who say they represent God.</i><br /><br />Not necessarily. Many are indoctrinated to have contempt for theology even though they know nothing about it. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-75470873799031152812018-04-10T16:50:11.037-07:002018-04-10T16:50:11.037-07:00The idea we were taught in the WCG was that prophe...The idea we were taught in the WCG was that prophecy proves the bible. That was why it could be accepted as revelation (so the argument goes). It was never a matter of just taking somebody's word for it. If you were in that church and never knew that YOU were negligent. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-62244020920161353892018-04-10T16:47:02.849-07:002018-04-10T16:47:02.849-07:00Thomas Paine was a deist. Some of the atheists on...Thomas Paine was a deist. Some of the atheists on here seem to think he was one of their own. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-91040721993051281362018-04-10T16:40:50.067-07:002018-04-10T16:40:50.067-07:00HWA's autobiography was full of claims that ca...HWA's autobiography was full of claims that cannot be proven, but that does not stop many people today from taking it as nearly gospel. Why did people believe HWA in the first place? Because he plagiarized British Israelism and then claimed it was revelation to him. Claiming it was revealed to him gave him the (fake) credentials to establish himself as an apostle, and therefore as a man whose word was to be trusted. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-2660844834778621042018-04-10T16:35:27.643-07:002018-04-10T16:35:27.643-07:00"People are dying of malnutrition or from dis..."People are dying of malnutrition or from disease spread because they don't have access to potable water in many places around the world, and he doesn't give two shits about them, but he helped you find your car keys? Spare me." <br /><br />Well, there are lots of ways to explain that. Don't be so opinionated. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-35975810511012930172018-04-10T11:31:37.496-07:002018-04-10T11:31:37.496-07:00Thomas Paine had a way of cutting through the crap...Thomas Paine had a way of cutting through the crap. Men proclaiming and forecasting in the name of some supernatural being are beyond immoral. They deceive and destroy, and often begin to believe their own garbage. Try to imagine all the misery these "men of God" have created through their messages. <br /><br />From childhood we have been indoctrinated to show respect to men who say they represent God. How do you teach a child to trust, yet remain skeptical? For many of us, reading an HWA booklet was all the proof we needed. Those booklets simply led us from not knowing very much to a new and different mixture of ignorance.<br /><br />There is so much trial and error involved is searching for "The Truth" until we realize the bible has little relevance for our lives today. It was written by and for people who lived thousands of years in the past. Once we stop believing God is speaking to us through its pages, life becomes much less confusing and complicated.<br /><br />Is anyone familiar with Ken Ham's reproduction of Noah's Ark in Kentucky? An example of someone who believes his own crap, and aims at children to pull them in.Gerald Bronkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01351342089409543119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-73215400889369097932018-04-10T10:31:04.379-07:002018-04-10T10:31:04.379-07:00@6:00 am, I liked that answer very much!@6:00 am, I liked that answer very much!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-19693211682491553772018-04-10T07:37:55.111-07:002018-04-10T07:37:55.111-07:00My best advice to people who are inclined to accep...My best advice to people who are inclined to accept messages allegedly from God from other people is to tell those people “I pray and seek God every day myself. If God has a message for me, He knows He can share it directly, and will not need to go through another person. Frankly, He hasn’t said anything to me about this. I’m going to need personal confirmation from Him that what you are telling me is true.” It might be a shock to their systems, but it’s the only kind way to keep from being manipulated.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-2830534933410957172018-04-10T06:10:14.474-07:002018-04-10T06:10:14.474-07:00RE: How to respond when someone says, “God told m...<br /><br /><b>RE: How to respond when someone says, “God told me.”<br /><br />Say: “Shame on you for telling such fibs!”</b><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-47350815721949723442018-04-10T06:00:17.320-07:002018-04-10T06:00:17.320-07:00I like to keep things simple. If the core informa...I like to keep things simple. If the core information we received is fear based, then it is from our Ego. If the core information is from Love, then is from our spirit. As we learn to still our minds, the message is very clear. <br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-62955197414216853702018-04-10T04:28:37.930-07:002018-04-10T04:28:37.930-07:00Some years ago, after returning from a mission tri...Some years ago, after returning from a mission trip to Belarus (in the cold winter), an 80 plus year old lady told me, "God told me that I was to go with you on your next trip." Now the last thing I would want is to have a frail elderly lady with me on a trip to Belarus, summer or winter. My first thought was, "Well, if God told you, he should also copy me on that message." It is easy for us to want something so much that we read into our own desires, the will of God. That dear lady dies about 15 years later and she never did make it to Belarus. I don't question her sincerity, but some people use that expression as a tool of manipulation. These people are called sociopaths and they sometimes disguise themselves as pastors. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-39751274670515472592018-04-10T03:24:25.977-07:002018-04-10T03:24:25.977-07:00If God wanted me to believe that Bwana Bob is a tr...If God wanted me to believe that Bwana Bob is a true prophet of God, I trust that He would not just appear in the dreams of one or two Bobists to say so; he would make His wishes known openly, at least to anyone who seeks an answer.<br /><br />Then again, if I ever have a dream in which Bob is revealed as a true prophet of God, my first reaction will be to look carefully at what I had for dinner the night before. Dreams tell me all sorts of ludicrous things; God's word tells me plainly that the only kind of prophet Bob is, is a FALSE prophet!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-32348271710415309602018-04-10T02:09:35.504-07:002018-04-10T02:09:35.504-07:00If Dennis is the person who he claims to be on thi...If Dennis is the person who he claims to be on this site, I find it hard to believe that God never communicated to him. <br />Thomas Paine is right of course when he states that a revelation is to that person only, and not to others. But that doesn't justify the 'others' mocking that person. Rather the intellectual content should be evaluated like any other opinion.<br /><br />Connie <br />I'm not impressed with your joke on such a serious matter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-39464947289280131672018-04-09T22:45:41.801-07:002018-04-09T22:45:41.801-07:00the way I understand it, Solomon Spaulding wrote a...the way I understand it, Solomon Spaulding wrote a novel, the publishing deal fell through, Joseph Smith bought it...the rest is history.<br /><br />PS: don't ever mention the name Solomon Spaulding to a Mormon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-11892442529085840182018-04-09T21:05:08.331-07:002018-04-09T21:05:08.331-07:00Unfortunately, this kind of pronoucement, or conje...Unfortunately, this kind of pronoucement, or conjecture is not only limited to leaders. It is also the kind of thing that members also indulge in. Some people will attribute every last thing that happens in their lives to one supernatural agent interfering or intervening directly in their lives. "God," they'll say, "opened this door," or "brought this person into my life," or "healed me of my head cold." Bullshit. People are dying of malnutrition or from disease spread because they don't have access to potable water in many places around the world, and he doesn't give two shits about them, but he helped you find your car keys? Spare me. Such beliefs are not merely silly, they are reprehensible.Percy Q. Tednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-79189654706684056712018-04-09T20:04:44.339-07:002018-04-09T20:04:44.339-07:00When I was young, I was told in a very condensed f...When I was young, I was told in a very condensed form about the founding of the Mormon religion and thought that it was a crazy scenario for the founding of a church and religion. Much older and back in a 21st century COG, I came to the point that after almost every Sabbath sermon I had to tell myself that what was just spoken about, was the most ridiculous information I have ever heard. Banned by HWA bears record for most of the ridiculousness coming from the vanity laden leaders of the COGs.<br /><br />Maybe joining the Mormons would be the thing to do, although I imagine the greeting and introduction would be a little uncomfortable for the Mormons when I tell them I came from a church where my leader was a messenger, an Apostle, a High Priest, a watchman, a measurer, a prophet, a temple builder, an Elijah, a type of Christ and Christ himself.<br /><br />That is a pretty scary record of self exaltation for a man who had no dreams or visions and makes one wonder what a same type of man having dreams and visions would do.<br /><br />Until that day comes, I guess I will have to patiently wait for the coming narrative about the 15,000 feet mountain and the coming resurrection of Baal. What About The Truthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-22908095071707985922018-04-09T19:43:28.370-07:002018-04-09T19:43:28.370-07:00I have past experience with people who really beli...I have past experience with people who really believed that God told them this and that God told them that. They say it with absolute conviction. I really don't doubt that they believe it. Others think God, through them prophesied this or prophesied that. The real problem comes when, at the end of the road, what they have said does not happen, or what they believed does not come to pass. <br /><br />They feel that if they do not believe the message that they are hearing, then they are lacking in faith. So, they believe it. And than, when it does not happen, either:<br /><br />1. God changed his mind<br />2. It was a test<br />3. Well, maybe it just wasn't time. <br /><br />Rarely did I hear someone say "Well, I was presumptuous, and I was wrong." Rarely did I hear someone say "It must have been my own thoughts in my own mind. I apologize." It doesn't seem to be the issue of the believer - it seems to always be God who changed his mind, or is testing, or changed the space-time continuum or something. In fact, one of the things you very, rarely, ever hear from someone who claims how close they are to God and His messages is "It was me, it was my fault, I was wrong, it wasn't really God speaking.... I apologize for my error and my presumptuous thinking." <br /><br />Dueteronomy 18:22 warned that these things would happen - that people would say things and do things in God's name and that God in all honesty had nothing to do with it. The word "presumptuous" means that someone is failing to observe the limits of what is permitted or what is appropriate. In the COG's, I think that is a real problem. <br /><br />I think we all can think of COG "leaders" who are currently failing to observe the limits of what is permitted or what is appropriate. I'm sure many of us can come up with many examples. Perhaps being presumptuous is the biggest problem with the COG's, a problem that started way in the beginning of Armstrong's movement. In fact, if one wanted to do the research of all the presumptuous acts of the founders of Armstrongism, you'd have quite the book. <br /><br />Where does one draw the line of what is presumptuous and what is not? How can we trust someone to claim something is coming from God? The honestly very simple answer is something that the COG's have an absolutely horrible record on.<br /><br />What they say God told them happens. It's as simple as that. <br /><br />So far, I've heard the yappings of the personalities of.... let's seee... Armstrong, Armstrong's hirelings like McNair and Meredith, Rice and Ward, Tkach and Tkach, Neff and Hoeh, Weston and McNeely, Pack and Schurter, Local Pastors and Local Elders, congregational know-it-all's and holier-than-thou's... and I can't count on one hand the things they've had right AS THEY HAVE SAID IT combined. <br /><br />It's shocking how many people think they hear the voice of the Lord, but for some reason, misinterpret their own thoughts as God. In the COG's, that problem can extend to people who think that their calling, their ordination, their sermons, their dreams, their mindsets, everything they do is from God, they think. However, when you look at their fruits, their attitudes, and the results of what they are saying compared to what happens.... YOU can see it, but they cannot. <br /><br />It's a flurry of information to pack in a comment. But, it's just how i thiel about it. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-87018049936374723882018-04-09T19:32:02.184-07:002018-04-09T19:32:02.184-07:00God told me , to tell you , to tell me , that God ...God told me , to tell you , to tell me , that God Told me! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910856904624749641noreply@blogger.com