tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post9097330909847412346..comments2024-03-29T08:33:14.499-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Adrian Gray Defects From Dave Pack's Cult Over Pack's Obsession With Raking In MoneyNO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-26071713268307714192013-05-02T05:13:20.744-07:002013-05-02T05:13:20.744-07:00I find it hard to believe that Mr. Gray didn't...I find it hard to believe that Mr. Gray didn't know a lot of this information that he "discovered" about DP before he went with him. It's been public information on the RCG site for several years. Mr. Gray now maybe you see why many of us left RCG a long time ago. DP has only gotten worse.Former RCGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-47933809782816518302013-05-01T09:56:38.053-07:002013-05-01T09:56:38.053-07:00"I drove through Wadsworth.... No one knew hi..."I drove through Wadsworth.... No one knew him at the gas station."<br /><br />But did you describe him as the skinny guy with floppy ears who wears short shorts 3 sizes too small so he can show off his 'package'?<br /><br />If you'd asked the proper questions at the gas station, Goober might have told you, "Oh! Yeah, that's the guy we all call Dumbo!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-21053064383453007512013-05-01T08:01:56.023-07:002013-05-01T08:01:56.023-07:00Is there anything more evil in religion , ok yes t...Is there anything more evil in religion , ok yes there is..lol, but...than a so called minister asking for money and sacrifice to him so he can live as he does and pump his ego? This compares to the Sermon on the Mount how? Oh...Dave never gave a sermon on the mount. He gives sermons on the AMOUNT! lol<br />Dennis DiehlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-12126675055951857952013-05-01T04:24:43.427-07:002013-05-01T04:24:43.427-07:00Gray knows that the best way to start a new church...Gray knows that the best way to start a new church is to have the appearance of lost sheep in need of a shepherd. That way, he can play the role of the reluctant leader, "just trying to fill the void" until Christ's return. Brilliant. Look for yet another permutation of premillennial dispensationalism (no, they are NOT non-denominational). <br /><br />Bad PKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-43621018676477549442013-04-30T19:17:13.820-07:002013-04-30T19:17:13.820-07:00It's a shame that it took Mr. Gray this long t...It's a shame that it took Mr. Gray this long to find out about DP. His "sermons" have been on the Net for years. Pack wants everyone to believe that everyone else is a liar except him. He is all about controlling reality whether it is true or false. Unfortunately, too many have gotten caught up in his web of mind control.Former RCGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-21296985713891897462013-04-30T18:11:29.892-07:002013-04-30T18:11:29.892-07:00"If that is not you, I may have missed the po..."If that is not you, I may have missed the point of Cliffnotes."<br /><br />"Your wrong about that too. HWA was a cheat and child molester. I can prove it!" <br /><br />CliffNotes a summarization of something longer into something shorter. If nothing else, referring to HWA as "Herbie" should have tipped people off to the sarcasm and non-authenticity. Well, of course Herbie was a cheat, and a child molester too. Sorry, I guess I was too subtle.<br /><br />I guess the purpose of this particular CliffNotes version was to illustrate how controlling cults are like a drug in that they impair a persons judgment. To an outside observer, poor Mr. Gray's judgment is obviously impaired by the effects of Armstrongism, but he is too far under the influence, so he's incapable of judging just how drunk he really is.<br /><br />If he can (eventually) correctly identify Ron and Dave as being the frauds and hucksters they so obviously are, why is it so unthinkable to him (and others like him) that Herbie was also a fraud and a huckster? Since these men are trying so hard to imitate Herbie, why is it so unimaginable that they could be imitating Herbie even when it comes to their more objectionable traits? Why is it so hard to see that the problems with PKG and RCG run deeper than just a couple of bad apples? Why is it so hard to fathom that no god was ever "working through" Herbie's "ministry" and that no god has ever been "working through" the "ministries" of any of the splinter groups either?<br /><br />No matter how bad things get they always confine the problem and assume it's just a local problem, never a systematic one. WCG skated through so many crises, disasters, and fiascos because people refused to see that, in churchie lingo, bad fruit doesn't come from good trees. To this day, people still refuse to see the systematic nature of what's wrong with the COGs, and that the single biggest thing that was wrong was HERBIE!<br /><br />What's next for poor Mr. Gray? Finding another dealer/supplier to get his next Herbie fix? Rewriting the same lesson one more time? That's where my money would be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-26467076888593085362013-04-30T17:55:11.091-07:002013-04-30T17:55:11.091-07:00Referring back to Adrian Gray's defection from...Referring back to Adrian Gray's defection from RCG, and his continued recognition of Ron Weinland as a false prophet, what else could we say, but, "ain't it a gas?" Inhale the swamp gas, Dave Baby. There's gonna be lots more to come!<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-49482975171707373542013-04-30T16:32:52.134-07:002013-04-30T16:32:52.134-07:00What are you going to name your church?
COGITATE
...<i>What are you going to name your church?</i><br /><br />COGITATE<br /><br />Church of God I'm The Apostle Through Eternity<br /><br />or<br /><br />Church of God I Tap All Tail EventuallyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-81366494778050724452013-04-30T16:22:17.352-07:002013-04-30T16:22:17.352-07:00"If even God Himself commits incest with His ..."If even God Himself commits incest with His own daughter, and has sex with another man's wife, it's not reasonable to forbid HWA and GTA from having the same prerogative as God's special end-time servants."<br /> <br />Wow man, you are starting to think like a COG leader. The main qualification is a sense of entitlement. You have to believe in yourself! That your calling is special. What are you going to name your church? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-24801227814977474002013-04-30T16:15:40.062-07:002013-04-30T16:15:40.062-07:00Your wrong about that too. HWA was a cheat and chi...<i>Your wrong about that too. HWA was a cheat and child molester. I can prove it!</i><br /><br />Look. God called Mary to be His own daughter in his Family. Yet He did not hesitate to impregnate her with His Son, even after she was betrothed to another man.<br /><br />If even God Himself commits incest with His own daughter, and has sex with another man's wife, it's not reasonable to forbid HWA and GTA from having the same prerogative as God's special end-time servants.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-43731419520585695172013-04-30T16:10:19.635-07:002013-04-30T16:10:19.635-07:00Cliff says: But whatever you do, don't give up...Cliff says: But whatever you do, don't give up on Armstrongism! Ron and Dave might be filthy cheats, but Herbie was the real deal. I think my judgment of people's character is pretty good eventually...<br /><br />Your wrong about that too. HWA was a cheat and child molester. I can prove it!<br />Click on my name above.Painful Truthhttp://the-painful-truth-group.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-21446994456297512612013-04-30T15:53:34.211-07:002013-04-30T15:53:34.211-07:00How many times do these poor people need to be vic...How many times do these poor people need to be victimized before they learn the truth? And what is the truth? That you can't trust _anybody_, and stop trusting yourself and your own judgment. We are all easily fooled. If any of us who are "God's people" are really guided by the spirit why do we keep falling for cheats when people in the world can smell these con artists from a mile away?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-53352247173091626872013-04-30T15:49:20.277-07:002013-04-30T15:49:20.277-07:00if that is you Mr. G I honor your journey. We al...if that is you Mr. G I honor your journey. We all have a story. That is yours, I have mine but we learn as we go. If that is not you, I may have missed the point of Cliffnotes: lol<br /><br />DennisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-9393634782537500382013-04-30T15:27:06.140-07:002013-04-30T15:27:06.140-07:00CliffNotes version:
As you may have guessed, part...CliffNotes version:<br /><br />As you may have guessed, part of the terms of Dave's hiring me was that I was kinda forced to send a letter to everyone in my rolodex containing mostly boilerplate written by Dave, but with my name at the bottom. Now that I'm not beholden to Dave anymore, I can set things right with all my old friends, because probably every one of them thought I was crazy for sending that first letter anyway, although now I can see how crazy I actually was to be taken in by Dave in the first place. Come to think of it, I've been taken in two world-class buffoons in a row! How embarrassing is that? Obviously my judgment is a little off. And by a little, I mean by 180°. In conclusion I would say that for those of you looking to move on, please don't follow my example, instead take a long hard look at whoever you are going to. But whatever you do, don't give up on Armstrongism! Ron and Dave might be filthy cheats, but Herbie was the real deal. I think my judgment of people's character is pretty good eventually...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-54394978131743280132013-04-30T15:14:15.064-07:002013-04-30T15:14:15.064-07:00I drove through Wadsworth on the way home from my ...I drove through Wadsworth on the way home from my mom's funeral. Didn't see any sign of Dave. No one knew him at the gas station. Wadsworth is pretty darn small. There are a gazillion churches in the area<br />DennisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-3974026506057001222013-04-30T13:50:14.331-07:002013-04-30T13:50:14.331-07:00David Pack is all about money. Money makes his wor...David Pack is all about money. Money makes his world go around. Money busy him his fancy cars and expensive suits. It keeps him and his child bride in the laps of luxury. It impresses the fools in Wadsworth who think David is something of significance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-44413396479335318932013-04-30T13:43:45.162-07:002013-04-30T13:43:45.162-07:00Time is short...build my own office building
Time...Time is short...build my own office building<br /><br />Time is short...build my own printing plant<br /><br />Time is short ...build my own tv studio<br /><br />time is short...build yet another auditorium<br /><br />time is short...build a campus<br /><br />time is short...build homes for my chosen ones<br /><br />time is short...ok, it's not that short...send it in!<br /><br />Congrats Mr. Gray<br />ddAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com