tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post957330399823058525..comments2024-03-29T03:57:21.878-07:00Comments on Banned by HWA! News and Observations About Armstrongism and the Church of God Movement: Which COG False Prophet Is The Biggest Liar? Pack, Thiel, Malm, Meredith, Flurry, Wienland, Cox?NO2HWAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-45930806423719520142016-11-09T01:43:26.677-08:002016-11-09T01:43:26.677-08:00BB I suspect autism in the case of nck. A reminde...BB I suspect autism in the case of nck. A reminder that the Christian response to any such condition is compassion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-12078297794979970072016-11-08T14:17:38.161-08:002016-11-08T14:17:38.161-08:00He's the Donald Trump of the COG scene. Best ...He's the Donald Trump of the COG scene. Best at everything. Wiser than the wisest.<br /><br />Allen C. DexterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-79875062990325542252016-11-08T09:12:55.216-08:002016-11-08T09:12:55.216-08:00The problem with acronyms is that unless they are ...The problem with acronyms is that unless they are the common ones with which everyone is familiar, the entire meaning of someone's carefully crafted post can be lost.<br />We've literally had people ask, as an example, what an "ACOG" is. Without knowing that, one could miss the entire meaning for this blog! It's always good form when introducing new acronyms to at least spell out the long version the first time it is used.<br /><br />As for GRP, is that "Go rape and pillage"? Gross revenue product? Gorpy, repulsive person? Gamma ray penetration? Gas replicating procedure? I mean, to the unfamiliar, although it could be insider jargon in some specific industry, it largely leaves one guessing. I'm sure we all have better intentions for our posts than to render them meaningless or frustrating.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-3431371451550854162016-11-08T05:56:57.625-08:002016-11-08T05:56:57.625-08:0012.34PM There have been many occasions when I coul...12.34PM There have been many occasions when I couldn't understand ncks comment. It has to do with his style of writing, or perhaps something deeper. I've just given up?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-69499476099670968532016-11-07T19:09:41.348-08:002016-11-07T19:09:41.348-08:00Anon 4:28PM wrote regarding Rod Meredith:
You can...Anon 4:28PM wrote regarding Rod Meredith:<br /><br /><i>You can go back decades and see that he has always been a liar. There are dozens of recorded incidents.</i><br /><br />Christians aren't perfect, but they grow in Godly character and repent of their sins.<br /><br />Rod Meredith, on the other hand, hasn't committed a major sin since baptism, by his own testimony. By others' testimony, people who knew him in the 1960s and still know him today all say: He hasn't changed. Dibar Apartian said this to his close friends shortly before he died.<br /><br />Does it make sense that a Christian would have the Holy Spirit for 60 years and not become even just a little bit less of a liar? The most straightforward explanation is that Rod Meredith doesn't have the Holy Spirit. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-59110176224880799752016-11-07T16:28:57.059-08:002016-11-07T16:28:57.059-08:00Hmmmm so hard to pick the BIGGEST liar among them....Hmmmm so hard to pick the BIGGEST liar among them....<br /><br />In my view Rod Meredith wins.<br /><br />They others may have failed prophecies or lies of omission or ignorance but Rod Meredith lies intentionally and repeatedly to serve himself.<br /><br />You can go back decades and see that he has always been a liar. There are dozens of recorded incidents.<br /><br />Some times his lies are contrived. Some times he lies off the cuff. Some times he tells the lie enough that he actually starts to believe it's true.<br /><br />Meredith gets the crown for biggest liar hands down. And yet LCGers push their heads further into the sand and deny it. Mind boggling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-81805620187520931852016-11-07T12:34:31.054-08:002016-11-07T12:34:31.054-08:00nck,
Can you please explain GRP and CPC more, as ...nck,<br /><br />Can you please explain GRP and CPC more, as they relate to the WCG?<br />I didn't understand how/what those applications to the WCG were. Thanks.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-9325009997213120782016-11-07T11:25:11.985-08:002016-11-07T11:25:11.985-08:00Official doctrine was that tv was not and never wa...Official doctrine was that tv was not and never was a means to recruit new members.<br />It was a tool to deliver a "witness."<br /><br />It's effectiveness is measured in GRP.<br />Today's media can be measured in CPC.<br /><br />nck<br />nckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580008070423402328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-9360209315786301832016-11-07T04:07:32.847-08:002016-11-07T04:07:32.847-08:006.02PM good point, but there are still many televa...6.02PM good point, but there are still many televangelists programs every Sunday morning. So my question is, to what degree is television 'less cost effective?' And wasn't that the reason given for Plain Truth magazine numbers plunging, after Joe T took over the church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-29473640358355974862016-11-07T02:26:16.113-08:002016-11-07T02:26:16.113-08:00Television is a much less cost-effective way to re...<i> Television is a much less cost-effective way to reach people now than it was in 1998, so LCG is adjusting their spending accordingly. </i><br /><br />Is that why LCG's media responses and co-worker income have gone down? If they shifted their spending to meet new media trends, wouldn't you expect cost-effectiveness to <b>increase</b> and the number of donations and new contacts to <b>increase?</b><br /><br />The truth may be that they are selling a product that nobody wants to buy, and that they will fail whether they are on TV, the Internet, Readers Digest ads, and so on. However, there's something else at work as well. Just look at the Bob Thiel-level delivery of these new short programs LCG is using to recruit new members instead of the old half-hour program:<br /><br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_HISp598HY" rel="nofollow">Suffering in 2016, the New Norm?</a><br /><br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MbT8QCOVwo" rel="nofollow">Can We Choose a Better History?</a><br /><br />If this is LCG's idea of "adjusting their spending accordingly" to meet the realities of the new media world, it is no wonder they are failing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-26668845174595073202016-11-06T18:02:50.125-08:002016-11-06T18:02:50.125-08:00Far be it from me to defend Rod Meredith, but it i...Far be it from me to defend Rod Meredith, but it is not Rod that has changed since 1998, it is the media world. Television is a much less cost-effective way to reach people now than it was in 1998, so LCG is adjusting their spending accordingly. UCG came to the same conclusion, and a couple years ago abandoned their plans to expand their TV studio.LCG Expositornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-51246141956445783782016-11-06T16:27:36.983-08:002016-11-06T16:27:36.983-08:008.13. But isn't 'cutting back' what yo...8.13. But isn't 'cutting back' what you would expect from a church where the average age is 74 and increasing?<br />The grandpa Simpson church is falling asleep, hardly surprising.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-24530446683880810982016-11-06T16:23:26.568-08:002016-11-06T16:23:26.568-08:00Steve D even without vertical ranking, ministers...Steve D even without vertical ranking, ministers would still lord it over members by means of verbal bashings, and verbally tearing members down. <br />Gods 'solution' has been one of letting the church splinter, creating competition between the splinters. It hasn't stopped abuse, but has alleviated it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-61643952453179540192016-11-06T08:13:58.879-08:002016-11-06T08:13:58.879-08:00Anon 3:52AM, remember that Global never actually w...Anon 3:52AM, remember that Global never actually went off of WGN until Meredith bankrupted the organization by leaving with half of its membership. That was just Meredith's paranoia, because he had told the other Global Board members that going off WGN would be taking a <a href="http://www.cesnur.org/testi/Journal.htm" rel="nofollow">completely different approach to doing the Work"</a><br /><br />Back then, in his emergency letter to GCG brethren, Meredith said that going off WGN would <a href="http://www.cesnur.org/testi/Meredith_letter.htm" rel="nofollow">"destroy the Work of God as we have known it"</a><br /><br />Was Meredith right when he wrote that? Or is he now admitting (will he openly admit?) that the Global Board was in the right all along? <br /><br />Ten years ago, LCG had the best Church of God half-hour program by far. The program got hundreds of thousands of responses every year, bringing in new members and large donations. Something changed, though, sometime between the Brookfield murder-suicide and the start of Living University, sending the organization off into a new direction, as if LCG wanted to be the new Laodicea instead of the Philadelphia remnant. They started spending more and accomplishing less. <br /><br />Now that LCG is cutting way back on TV, it's only a matter of time before COGWA takes on the mantle of the true Philadelphia remnant, for those who still think in those terms.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-26512460704483033552016-11-06T06:16:55.307-08:002016-11-06T06:16:55.307-08:00Miguel de la Rodente said..."the appearance o...Miguel de la Rodente said..."the appearance of the expected emergent or true" group," suggest that the church is the single correct organization. I think it is not an organization but an organism, the body of Christ. We shouldn't be looking for one single group that God is working through. The church is not a particular tax exempt organization incorporated here or there. It is made up of all believers wherever they may worship. HWA had it wrong (surprise). He also had the ranking of ministers wrong (in my opinion) with a vertical structure with Apostle on top. These titles weren't rankings, but roles they played. It is a horizontal structure with apostles going out first, then evangelists will follow to preach, then when there are believers, they send a pastor/teacher. No one "minister" is above another in rank, they just perform different functions. But, of course, without the vertical ranking, how could he "lord over" the other people? Steve Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03186651595432665670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-91458700711667977782016-11-06T04:40:41.319-08:002016-11-06T04:40:41.319-08:00I remember years ago, being told the following ane...I remember years ago, being told the following anecdote by our American History teacher in high school.<br /><br />Reporters had caught President Calvin Coolidge exiting church services one Sunday morning. "Mr. President, what was the sermon about this morning?"<br /><br />Coolidge: "Sin!"<br /><br />Reporter: "But, Mr. President, what did the pastor have to say about sin?"<br /><br />Coolidge: "He said he was against it!"<br /><br />If this anecdote illustrates the state of mainstream Christianity at that point in history, at least there was some honesty about it. Imagine if the presidents of times past had been believers in the false prophecies of the Armstrong movement! Bad, bad mistakes would have been made, with grave implications for our nation. It is fortunate that there are relatively few taken in by Armstrongism. <br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-66729253074417217882016-11-06T03:52:26.699-08:002016-11-06T03:52:26.699-08:00Meredith just caught himself out in another lie. ...Meredith just caught himself out in another lie. Do you remember, back when Meredith got fired from the Global Church of God, how he said it was so important that the church's TV program remain on WGN, and that the Global Board was showing a lack of faith and setting wrong priorities by suggesting that GCG get out of its financial problems by cutting the WGN airing of The World Ahead?<br /><br />Move forward to 2016, and now that LCG is facing financial problems what has Meredith done? He has taken Tomorrow's World off WGN! He still has millions of dollars going to his sons' Internet projects and to the watered-down Living University. <br /><br />Has Meredith become the very same compromised and watered-down person he accused the Global Board members of being? Gerald Flurry still has his Key of David program on WGN and many other TV stations. Why did Meredith take LCG off WGN instead of cutting so many other questionable expenses? <br /><br />Fortunately, Meredith's hypocrisy and lack of faith will take care of itself. Where did LCG get most of its co-workers? From television, especially the big stations like WGN. As LCG cuts back on television because it doesn't have enough money, it will find that less money comes in and will need to cut back even more, and LCG will quickly go into a death-spiral.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-47622623682345049112016-11-05T18:03:43.719-07:002016-11-05T18:03:43.719-07:0010.30 AM My observation was that the truly conver...10.30 AM My observation was that the truly converted members were persecuted by both the ministers and members in the old WWCG. Meaning, if a 'true' church in embryo was a appear, people would not flock to that group. This explains the absence of a true physical church. <br />This also means the sliver members have a love-hate relationship with their leaders.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-20996298712129719662016-11-05T16:56:06.464-07:002016-11-05T16:56:06.464-07:00Which one is the biggest liar?
The one with the ...<i>Which one is the biggest liar? </i><br /><br />The one with the largest burn marks on his pants.<br /><br />There was an old IT joke, <i>What's the difference between a computer salesman and a used car dealer?</i> The used car dealer knows he's a liar.<br /><br />Is there a way to tell if a COGleader knows he's a liar?Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-20985841278049370692016-11-05T10:30:30.987-07:002016-11-05T10:30:30.987-07:00The credibility of the original group and the curr...The credibility of the original group and the current splinters is completely shot in many ways, and the field of prophecy is perhaps the most obvious example. The leaders are similar to Donald Trump in that they are incapable of restraining what comes out of their mouths, and that works to their detriment.<br /><br />There is no gradual step by step build up towards credibility. I believe that in the greater Church of God movement, some people are waiting for one splinter to emerge, and to prove through something tangible that they are either blessed far and away above the others, or that their prophecies are inspired, accurate, and able to be trusted. Some leaders even dramatically claim that this is true of themselves and their group, but further analysis proves that they are both clueless and faking the appearance of the expected emergent or "true" group. A movement that has placed great importance upon one true group in fact has none, and never did. Miguel de la Rodentehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01316579412398751358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-86278109809137293742016-11-05T09:09:47.343-07:002016-11-05T09:09:47.343-07:00Thiel, Meredith, Malm, Cox, Flurry , Pack et al. ...Thiel, Meredith, Malm, Cox, Flurry , Pack et al. -- Which one is the biggest liar? <br /><br />Very hard to choose just one. Sort of like trying to pick which dictator was worse... Pol Pot, Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Saddam . You could go by "volume" or by "quality" or a mix of both. All in all, a tough choice in both regards. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910856904624749641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-11369347528789326572016-11-05T07:32:46.446-07:002016-11-05T07:32:46.446-07:00Wade Cox is 70 years old. His tenure as Coordinato...Wade Cox is 70 years old. His tenure as Coordinator General should have been terminated a year ago by the ccg charter. He should be 'retired' what ever that means.<br /><br />Why is Wade Cox still making these statements?<br /><br />By the very rules he set up, he should be silenced by now.<br /><br />Liar? Promise breaker?<br /><br />It makes no real difference for the fewer than 30 people he has world wide.<br /><br />Everybody else left him in 2005 and formed <a href="http://www.assemblyofeloah.org/" rel="nofollow">the Assembly of Eloah</a>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-11935384629469311912016-11-05T05:19:36.091-07:002016-11-05T05:19:36.091-07:00Thanks Anon 7:34 regarding the breakdown of honest...Thanks Anon 7:34 regarding the breakdown of honesty into big liars and little liars<br /><br />“Lie upon lie, here a little, there a little...”<br /><br />It has been a problem for me, concerned about who lies, who just exaggerates, got bad data, etc. There are obviously ministers who follow the Goebbels line, <i>If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.</i> <br /><br />But not every COGleader falls into that category. Fortunately, nothing is new, and I can often be placated with a line from Shakespeare, Seinfeld, or The Simpsons. In this case, George Costanza: <i>It's not a lie, if you believe it.</i> <br /><br />But you could be believing (and repeating) someone else's lie, as I did for many years... <br />Hosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285219921252563944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-53879517076029650802016-11-05T01:16:23.149-07:002016-11-05T01:16:23.149-07:009.36 PM communism has been discredited by half of...9.36 PM communism has been discredited by half of Europe, including half of Germany being given to the commies after WW2. This division required a string of miracles, including protecting Hitlers life (which he correctly discerned) in order to slow down the American-British advance. God very much dictates human history. <br />Gods fingerprints are all over human history.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-226103369043606765.post-49422417767357053722016-11-04T21:36:24.982-07:002016-11-04T21:36:24.982-07:00There's nothing special about eclipses. They ...There's nothing special about eclipses. They happen on full moons when the earth gets in the way of the sun's light. It's a totally mechanical thing competent astronomers can predict to the second. It has nothing to do with the actions of any fictitious god. <br /><br />People still react superstitiously just like our ignorant ancestors did. It's high time that the human race wised up and viewed this universe for the mechanical but still often chaotic marvel that it is. There is no god sitting outside that fictional firmament running everything and dictating the future in advance. Earth will do just fine and go on placidly as long as no wandering comet or rogue orphaned planet comes careening our way. I'll put my faith in NASA if something like that comes along. We could deflect a comet if we saw it coming in time. A planet? Forget it and just live it up as long as possible. Same with a super nova anywhere nearby.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com