Thursday, August 29, 2013

David C Pack Diverting Attention Away From His Abysmal FAILURE of Church Reunification



Dave Pack, the narcissistic buffoon who leads the now totally discredited Restored Church of God is scrambling to divert attention away from his abysmal failure of the reunification of the Churches of God.  Pack babbled on and on for many weeks on how three COG leaders would be struck dead by his god and their members would all be flocking to the RCG.

So far the track record is quit obvious that no one is joining up with the cult of Packism. No ministers are jumping ship taking large groups of members.  No splinter group leaders have died either, not even Bob Thiel.

Knowing he looks like a complete buffoon right now, he is attempting to divert attention to his major new TV broadcasting event to start September 1.  Will he be waxing eloquent about the tens of thousands new members that have joined his church in the last three days?  Will he brag about the church leaders his god killed?


In another major advance in worldwide television coverage, The World to Come with David C. Pack will air around the globe in a prime Sunday morning timeslot (10:30 A.M. ET) on The Word Network, beginning September 1, 2013!

The Word Network has over 800 U.S. affiliates (broadcast and cable), and reaches over 90 million TV households in the U.S., over 100 million households in Europe, and 610 million more worldwide. The network blankets over 200 countries and territories via satellite and/or cable. This network also is on DIRECTV and Sky Angel Faith & Family TV in the United States, Sky UK, Sky Italia (Italy), Tata Sky (India) and Flow TV (Jamaica).

This new timeslot brings a powerful impact to our existing U.S. Sunday lineup, with six airings spread throughout the morning hours. This includes broadcasts on ION Television, CW Plus, theWALKtv and other local TV stations in select cities, bringing the total potential overlapping coverage to a staggering 270 million American TV households.

I think The Word Network needs to be notified of the sick mind of Dave and the RCG and what an aberrant cult that it is.  There is nothing Christan about it so why would a Christian broadcasting network allow  Dave on it?

James Malm: Jesus Is Going To Soon Stop Interceding For Rebellious COG Members



Ever the one for a life of grace and forgiveness, the apostle Malm is on another Levitical rampage against all the filthy sinners in the various COG's.  No one is as perfect as The Malm.  He knows the law forward and backwards and still is an arrogant jackass proving the point that the law does not bring salvation or grace.

Today the COG Groups are unclean through their idolatry in being zealous in following men and their organizations; and not being zealous to learn and keep the whole word of God.  Those blemishes on the bride; that uncleanness and sin:  Have separated us from our God!

Therefore we cannot have a relationship with Peace with our God or his zealous servants! 

This is a very serious matter.  We have rejected any zeal for our God and his word to follow whatever men say.  That has separated us from Jesus Christ our espoused Husband and our Father in haven.  It is for this reason that:

Rev 3:16   So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, [we are a mixture of being hot for our own ways, and  cold for the ways of God.  Hot and cold mixed is lukewarm overall.] I will spue thee out of my mouth.

These this latter day COG Groups, who are overwhelmingly Laodicean, are going to be forcefully rejected by Jesus Christ, who will no longer intercede for us with his Father.  The Daily Sacrificial work of our High Priest Jesus Christ is going to be stopped for Laodicea; who has lost any zeal to learn and keep the whole word of God! Preferring instead to idolize men and organizations as little gods instead of the mighty One of Jacob! 

New Book: Cults and Closets: Coming Out of Chaos


Buy it here:  Amazon


(From Amazon) This is the compelling story of how one man was raised in a fundamentalist, Christian cult -- the Worldwide Church of God (Armstrongism) -- as the son of a pastor, later became what he calls a "devout" agnostic, and then came out of the closet as gay after marrying a woman and having three sons (and remaining close friends with his ex-wife). He learned along the way that cults and closets come in many forms. He explains how we are all responsible for creating or supporting cults of various forms and driving others into closets of various forms, but we can liberate ourselves and others, come out of the chaos and find peace and true unconditional love.


Introduction

Cults are not just extreme, fundamentalist religious institutions and closets are not just about sexuality.  We are all responsible for creating cults or supporting cults of various forms and driving others into closets that take many forms.

This is not just the story about how I grew up in a religious cult as the son of a pastor or came out of the closet as gay after marrying a woman and having three sons.  This is the story about the chaos created in my life as a result of listening to and living for others rather than listening to and living for myself and how I finally figured out how to identify the voice that would lead me out of chaos, point me to my passions and help me find greater peace. 

This was not an easy story to write and it won't be – for some – an easy story to read. However, despite how raw and painful it might be to look at the real truth, it's the only way we can begin to heal and move forward, individually and collectively.  I hope at the end of the story, all who read it will feel the same cathartic release I felt, which only comes when we finally speak our truth.

But more importantly, I hope those who read it will be empowered to liberate themselves and others around them from the many types of cults and closets in our society that create chaos in our world, torment our souls and destroy our capacity to love ourselves and one another.  I hope those who read it will be empowered to find their own path out of chaos and into a place of greater peace and help others do the same.

So far this has been a very interesting book.  While many books about life in the Worldwide Church of God are written from the viewpoint of lay members, this book is the view through he eyes of the son of a longtime WCG minister.

Whatever impression you may have of what a "ministers kid" should be this guy breaks all the stereotypes.  He talks about his father a lot leading up to his coming out process.  His father was one of the uber-legalistc ministers who demanded full compliance of the rules and laws of the church.

Fitzgerald says:

We were taught that we really should not have friends outside of the church because we needed to avoid being influenced by “the world.”  My father would preach often, quoting from the Bible, “Do not become unequally yoked with unbelievers.”  He taught that this meant we were not to associate too closely or have close friends outside of the Worldwide Church of God. We were to be “in the world, but not of the world.” So the fact I had no friends at school didn’t concern my parents at this stage.  Plus, my parents had far greater issues on their minds than what was happening with my elementary school social life. From the time I was five, in 1975, until my early teens, they were dealing with the overwhelming reality that the world had not yet ended and Jesus Christ had not yet returned, as the leader of our church had predicted and the members expected.

One of the most fundamental elements of the church’s culture was the concept of “God’s Government” which was pounded into the members regularly. The way God apparently wants things to work according to the WCG: It starts with God the Father, then Jesus Christ, then Herbert Armstrong and on down the line. Male church members were to be subject to the authority of the pastor, elders and deacons, but above women and children. Democracy was “of the world.”  Males ruled. Authority was not to be questioned.   If you did so in my father’s congregation, there would be hell to pay. But he meant well. He was doing what he thought God and his superiors expected him to do. His own eternal life was on the line in his mind. In his mind, he had no choice, this was what God expected.

My father was loved by many of “the brethren” in the church, but while he helped many, he also hurt many due to how he was condi- tioned and trained to operate. Perhaps I’m too eager to place blame for his actions upon those who trained him, but while I have held re- sentments against my father in the past, I do believe he was a victim who was brainwashed by sociopaths and he was acting on that train- ing. His own fears and insecurities only served to magnify his zeal- ous approach to “protecting the flock” from perceived internal or external “spiritual” threats. 

He believed it was his job as a pastor to root out rebellion before it surfaced. He became obsessed and consumed with whether every- one in his congregations had a “good attitude” and was receptive to his authority and direction and gave him his full undivided attention at all times. It mattered to him what you might think in your heart, but what mattered to him most was the attitude you exhibited in front of others. If you were humble, respectful and obedient outwardly, you were okay in his book. If you expressed public or private disagreement with anything (regardless of how respectful
 
your presentation) – from the teachings of the church to what activities the church did to how the congregation was operated – you were marked as being “divisive” or having a “rebellious attitude” and he made it his mission to find you before you infected others too much and “deal with your attitude.”

My father’s mentors and superiors brainwashed him to believe that if his congregants did not fear him, they would not respect him and if they did not respect him they would not follow him, meaning he could not control them. My father lived in fear of losing control – control of his wife, his children, the local elders, deacons and church members, even the youth. If he did not feel like he had complete control over everything, it was important to appear as if he was in control by proclaiming and reminding the members of his authority and the awesome importance of “God’s Government.”  Nothing was more important than respecting the “authority” of the church leadership. 

While his personality combined with his authoritarian style was hurtful to many church members, his genuine love, concern and good intentions was recognized by many, which bolstered loyalty towards him.  Many ministers in the church were accused of emotional abuse and behaving like “sheriffs” rather than “shepherds,” but it’s important we not forget it was sociopaths or those with serious sociopathic tendencies – who were trained by Armstrong himself – that trained my father and the rest of the ministry of his generation. It does not excuse the behavior but helps guys like me get a little closer to forgiveness.
Fitzgerald points out in his book how the Church created it's own closet for members to dwell in.  It isolated them from the world through fear and intimidation.  The world was Satan's world filled with all kinds of evil ready to devour the TRUE believers.  Friendships remained inside the church.  Activities filled the life of the members that they were expected to go to.  Church members hid inside their own church closet.

Dennis Muses: Facing the Final Curtain...

Three Church of God Shepherds Die in Fiery Thingy
 
The Day of Decision
Friday, August 30th, 2013

 

Danz Family: Christmas Play Shepherd

Nah.....just kidding! We're fine!

 
Luke 9:52-56
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
 
 
52 and He sent messengers on ahead of Him, and they went and entered a village of the Samaritans to make arrangements for Him. 53 But they did not receive Him, because He was traveling toward Jerusalem. 54 When His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?” 55 But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what kind of spirit you are of; 56 for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them.”] And they went on to another village.


And therein lies the difference between David C. Pack, the hot head "those who oppose me have bad stuff happen to them" and the Jesus of the Gospels.


Following is just one last reminder of Dave Pack's delusional  relationship between himself and the Creator of the Universe, or Multiverses depending on what you have considered about the nature of everything.  I thank Dr. Robert Thiel of COGwriter.com for the quotes which come from a sermon entitled "All Brethren United Soon" and not to be confused from the article for public consumption he wrote on   http://rcg.org/sep/gods-people-back-together-soon.html.  In the Restored Church of God there are public declarations of belief and then there are the private ones meant for members only which occasionally slip through the checkpoints and make it out.  Dave has been known to send his Hitler Youth to retrieve "for members only" sermons from the hands of the unworthy.



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In a sermon Dave says...


Quotes from the Sermon:  http://www.cogwriter.com/news/cog-news/rcgs-david-pack-declares-that-three-shepherds-will-die-on-august-30-2013-is-bob-thiel-one-of-them/


All Brethren United Soon Part 12


"How could so many things happen in 24 hours?


Minute 26. Three men die- Elul 24, (Friday, August 30th, 2013) then everyone makes a decision that day.


Minute 29. Certain things about this prophesy is very complex, others are very simple.
Minute 30. No way everything could happen in one day.


Minute 32. Do you care most how the 3 Shephard’s die?  In their sleep, by fire?
Do you care who they are?
If God tells us then I want to know otherwise it doesn’t matter.
You are going to find out how they die and who they are.


Minute 33. I know their names 100% sure. Don’t want the names out yet. Now I’m certain I know.
Do you care where it happens? I don’t know where it will happen.
I know how they die and who they are. I’m certain.


Minute 34. How about when they die?  They die sooner then we thought.
Do they die together or separately. I know they die together.
Two culminating events. The death of these men is the first. The central point is God is going to bring his people back together/unify his people."


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Now tomorrow, three Shepherds could die in a fiery moment.  If things don't calm down in Syria it could be Assad of Syria, BibiNutcase Yahoo of Israel and Acmed the Shepherd on Mt. Carmel, but that's not what Dave Pack means of course.  And if you're like me, you do have to get past the God haunted fear that Rod Meredith might accidentally die of his old age and diabetes tomorrow or Gerald Flurry will burst into flames throwing gasoline on a barbecue to get the thing going.  I suppose Bob Thiel, who would be proud to at least be considered among the three could die if the California wildfires blew up in his neighborhood, but then we'd have to ask just what was God "trying" to tell Bob and he'd be out of favor real quick.  So I doubt these things will come to pass.  Victor Kubik would have to be on the list as President of United but I seriously doubt these guys will be in the same place tomorrow.  Gary and I have agreed to be extra careful driving and such tomorrow but also consider ourselves outside the Shepherding definitions and are mere bit players in this Joshua/Haggai mental drama.


All kidding aside, which is hard for me to do at times with the plague of passive aggressive humor running in my veins, what kind of a minister is David C Pack compared to what any Sunday School kid would know about a Gospel Jesus or any of the competing Apostles in the New Testament? 
Obviously Jesus wasn't real happy with the angry and vengeful wish to destroy those that didn't listen to Jesus.  I suspect guys bluster like that, not because they want to see that happen or even think it can, but it sends the message to Jesus that they are his boys, are defenders of him and probably trying too hard to impress him with their bravado.  Maybe not. Just seems more likely.  It's what guys do when they kiss up to the boss.


Now I'm not preaching here to anyone, but I do know that Dave Pack's attitude and use of the Old Testament instead of the New is pathologically flawed.  I also can't match up Gospel and Early Church Jesus and Apostles with Revelation Jesus but that's my problem.  The meanest thing I can find would be the Apostle Paul (of course) hoping that circumcisers would cut their binkies off all the way but I don't think he really meant that either literally.  Dave Pack literally is waiting for the God of Haggai, who is not any Jesus BTW, to zap these three bastards tomorrow literally.
However, just a few reminders for the RCG lurkers as the time draws near..


Jesus (Christ for the RCG crowd) says:



Non Violence:   Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its place;  for those who live by the sword, die by the sword.  Matt 26:52.


Meek, Merciful, and Peacemakers:   Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth... Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy... Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.   Matt 5:5-9


Forgive Those Who Sin Against Us:   Then Peter came up and said to him, "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?" Jesus said to him, "I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven..."  Matt 18:21-22


 Love your Enemies:  But I say to you that hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you.   If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you?   For even sinners love those who love them.   And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you?  For even sinners do the same. Luke 6:27-32


Love Your Neighbor, But Who is My Neighbor?:   And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, "Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?" He said to him, "What is written in the law? How do you read?" And he answered, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself." And he said to him, "You have answered right; do this, and you will live." But he, desiring to justify himself, said to Jesus, "And who is my neighbor?" Jesus replied, "A man (a genuine human being) was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and he fell among robbers, who stripped him and beat him, and departed, leaving him half dead.... Now by chance a priest (or a Joshua if you please) was going down that road; and when he saw him he passed by on the other side. So likewise a Levite, (or a James Malm type) when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. But a Samaritan, as he journeyed, came to where he was; and when he saw him, he had compassion, and went to him and bound up his wounds, pouring on oil and wine; then he set him on his own beast and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. And the next day he took out two denarii and gave them to the innkeeper, saying, 'Take care of him; and whatever more you spend, I will repay you when I come back.' Which of these three, do you think, proved neighbor to the man who fell among the robbers?" He said, "The one who showed mercy on him." And Jesus said to him, "Go and do likewise." Luke 10:25-37


Early Church and New Testament Quotes for Peace  


No Evil for Evil:  Do not return evil for evil. Avenge not yourselves, but rather give way to wrath; for it is written, vengeance is mine; I will repay, says the Lord. Therefore if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsts, give him drink: for in so doing you shall heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.  Romans 12:17-21

Do Not Hate:  Whoever hates his brother is a murderer: and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.  I John 3:15


Do Not Hate:  If anyone says, I love God, but hates the brothers or sisters, he is a liar...Whoever loves God must also love the brothers and sisters.  I John 3:20, 21


No Revenge:  See that none render evil for evil to any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.  I Thessalonians 5:15


Now personally, I think if Dave Pack KNOWS by name,  that three human beings are going to die painful fiery deaths tomorrow, he should give them a call and warn them.  Maybe that's just me.  It's probably safer not to announce these names as when nothing happens, at least you don't have that egg on your face .  I also suspect it could be construed as a personal death threat which may have other implications.


David C. Pack is so very wrong. He is wrong theologically, ethically, morally, spiritually and literally.  He is not and never will be any fulfillment of any 2500 year old prophecy which was just meant for those folk in those days no matter what you think.  Dave Pack does not head up the only true church in the world and is not the sole repository off the mind of any God.  He may be sincere, I have no clue, but he is delusional and heading down the wrong road, which is his problem as long as one does not make it theirs as well.   My only goal is to cause critical thinking in those affected by Dave Pack.  What they do or don't do is up to them.  Life is choices.  Push back is the fuel for proving all things as we read as is vetting one's theological ideas before a multitude of counselors not on your payroll.  Since Dave allows no push back and has no genuine counselors in these matters, it seems a responsible thing to do on my own part and that of those who contribute here on Banned HWA



So that's it.  That's all I wanted to say.  It is now quiet time.  I'm feeling a bit smultsy and nostalgic so....

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1.God be with you till we meet again;
by his counsels guide, uphold you,
with his sheep securely fold you;
God be with you till we meet again.


2. God be with you till we meet again;
neath his wings securely hide you,
daily manna still provide you;
God be with you till we meet again.


3. God be with you till we meet again;
when life's perils thick confound you,
put his arms unfailing round you;
God be with you till we meet again.


4. God be with you till we meet again;
keep love's banner floating o'er you,
smite death's threatening wave before you;
God be with you till we meet again.


Which will be September 2013 when we shall see how the rest of this crazy story goes...