HWA and COG Prophets Have NEVER Been Wrong!

Below is a post from Yahoo justifying the various false prophecies and outright lies that have been uttered by HWA and various evangelists over the decades.  Did you know that HWA never uttered a wrong thing in his life?  He never made a false prediction and he never taught anything that was wrong!  He was only a little off..... 

Yes they may of been off in their timing, but what they taught wasn't wrong! Mr Armstrong taught that the original Apostles taught the end would be in their time.

I guess Meredith, Hoeh, Waterhouse, Blackwell, McNair were all a little off too....

Mr Armstrong also taught that if God revealed to them that it was 2,000 years away, would they of held fast to the teachings? No, they would lose that urgency that was needed to ready the Bride! They would of fallen away quicker than it did! God allowed them to think it was in their time, so they would speak and teach with fervent heat to repent and Follow God. Mr Armstrong followed suit. DOESN'T mean they taught false doctrines (any doctrine or truth that is un-biblical).

Mr Armstrong didn't preach any false doctrines or false truth! If he did, he was not God's Apostle! Do you see anywhere that Peter or Paul or any of the other original Apostles teaching "false doctrines" or "false truth"? No! Mr Armstrong didn't teach anything contrary to the Bible. God says His ministers won't! But Satan's Ministers will bring in "damnable heresies", false doctrines, and "false Truth" into the church.

The Devil's cohorts will teach contrary to the Bible! Not God's! Mr Armstrong didn't come and change what the original Apostles taught, nor did he add any. God revealed "more" understanding to what is written in the Bible, under Mr. Armstrong. God says He Restored "ALL THINGS" through Herbert W Armstrong, the end-time Elijah. Not any other man! Any one that changes what God taught (from the Bible) then though Herbert W Armstrong is a False Prophet and an Apostate! So says your Bible! Mr Armstrong taught Government! God's Government.

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Men have taken this form of government and perverted it. (Mr Armstrong lived by this government.) What is God's Government with out love? Satan's! He has the same structure as God's, but it is void of Agape Love. God's way is "give". Satan's way is "Get"! God re-established this government under Mr Armstrong. Yes, it took him some time to be fully revealed this knowledge. But when it was revealed, it was established forevermore.

Did you know that whatever HWA said here on earth was "bound in heaven?"

Once it was established and Mr Armstrong says "this is God's spiritual form of Government", then it is bound. (Mr. Armstrong didn't just think this up!) God revealed to him God's Form of Government, and he restored it back to the Church! Now to say he was wrong in this, is saying God's form of Government is
not right either.

Its amazing how weak and impotent God has been through the centuries that he could not keep his message on track.  What kind of a god is the god described above that is more concerned about government than with the lives of human kind?  Where is grace and love when hierarchical government is more important?

This is where most people are at and what they decide. They have to decide for themselves which tree to take from. The Tree of Life (which is the holy Spirit which helps us understand Spiritual knowledge) or the other tree, the Tree of Knowledge of Good and evil (material knowledge, which is not wrong, but without God's Spirit we would make the wrong choices).

Most people take the latter tree, and "decide for themselves" what is right or wrong, not looking to what God says and teaches for the answers. Mr Armstrong tried to get the church to see this! It still applies today!

The two trees are far more important in Armstrongism than Jesus Christ is.  Effeminate Jesus spoke too much about unconditional forgiveness and love which makes Armstrongites VERY uncomfortable!

Then this guy boldly says that HWA never set a date in his life.  The 1975 debacle was NOT because of HWA but was brought about by idiots under him. It's all THEIR fault that HWA's predictions never came to pass.

Today people don't teach how close we are to the 2nd Coming nor warn the nations of their sins. They say it is 10+ years away. Which is setting dates! Mr Armstrong NEVER set dates! Men under him took what he said about 1975 and said he said it was definite. Mr Armstrong said it was "possible", it "maybe" the date; but he didn't say it was definite. We mustn't set dates. Because he taught (from the Bible) if you set dates and it doesn't come to pass, then God DID NOT send You! So if he set a date, then he wasn't sent from God! But he didn't. I believe he was sent by God.

Any man who changes what God teaches or wrote in the Bible, will suffer the wrath of God! Many are doing so now today.

Revelation 3:11 says to "hold fast", which we should be doing, not deciding for ourselves which was Truth or which is not (but we should prove it). This is taking from the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. This is the same sin that Adam made.

Revelation 3:11 "Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown".

Prophet Thiel Again Speaks Out On Appropriate Males and Vile, Filthy, Satanic Football

Unacknowledged and ridiculed false prophet Robert Thiel has a new member letter up today to his minuscule flock.  It is amazing that he starts lying right off the bat in the very first paragraph.  I thought the leaders of the Church of God were to be above reproach?  Lying must be OK since every single leader out there has lied through their teeth over the years.

Anyway, he writes that he had 2,000,000 listeners to his program last week.  That is factually impossible.  All the unacknowledged prophet needs to do is do a Google search on how radio stations garner their statistics.

It has been an exciting week as statistics show that in our first thirty days, the Continuing Church of God was able to reach over 2,000,000 people over the radio and over 100,000 over the internet.

The largest radio stations here in Los Angeles with a listening audience from Santa Barbara to San Diego and from Santa Monica to Riverside cannot garner that many listeners to a station at one time.  They never have and never will, particularly if it is a talk radio show.  Thiel is a liar. 

The ignored prophet then goes on to whine about Congress pass a debt spending bill.  Congress committed a huge error in not listing to false prophet Thiel.  He says:

One item that you may wish to read, if you have not already done so, was the article titled Congress passes debt bill.  Ignoring the prophetic warnings about increasing debt, the Congress of the USA past legislation to increase federal debt.  

How dare Congress ignore prophet Thiel! How dare they!!!!!!!!!

The prophet then goes on to lay down the law about how his 2 or 3 house churches are to be holding services today.  They are required to listen to his sermon about the satanic and evil game of football.  Only inappropriate males will be watching the Super Bowl on Sunday.

Taking that into consideration, here is my suggested format for Sabbath services for February 2, 2013:

·         2-3 hymns (we are using the 1974 Bible Hymnal from the old WCG and the choral accompaniment)

·         Opening prayer by an appropriate male if present).

·         Sermonette (short 8-15 minute subject) or Bible New Prophecy YouTube video.  The newest one is Should Christians watch American football? and a different one can be watched instead, especially in lands outside the USA that do not have an issue with American football.

·         Announcements (which probably will be this Letter to the Brethren) and one hymn.

·         Sermon (which for most will be a recorded one), which for most of you will be The Falling Away Part 1: The Bible and Church History.  Some who missed it last week, may instead wish to watch the sermon What is the meaning of your life?

·         Final hymn.

·         Closing prayer by an appropriate male (if available).

The prophet also wants you to know that he now has a bank account so you can mail all the millions of dollars in tithe and offering money to.

We were able to open a bank account in the name of the Continuing Church of God late last Friday and so yes, you can send tithes and offerings to us at: Continuing Church of God, 1248 E. Grand #A, Arroyo Grande, CA 93420.

I suggest that he buy some wedges for his crooked bookcase, get a different kind of spray tan, invest in some new books for the book case and buy a proper lectern.  That might be money well spent.

Ron Weinland Finally In Prison!

February 1st will be a date known forever in Armstrongism as the date the first COG leader was put in prison.  With luck, there will be more leaders down the line making friends with Bubba.

Mike is reporting this on False Prophet Ronald Weinland: Don't Drink the Flavor Aid Served by False Prophets

COG Member Says "Lets pray for our Church leaders to help us."

On those wacky Yahoo groups a person posted the following tonight. He is warning that dire famines and food shortages are immediately ahead of us and that we need to make adjustments to our lives.  He then lists things people need to be doing.

1  Lets pray for our Church leaders to help us. (Gods help)

2  The old WCG teaching of Zec 3:  taught that this was the Laodicea Church,(churches? v8)

3  Lets pray that Christ will cast Satan away, out of the church, as the days are quite evil    Zech 3:1-5.

4  This might be a difficult/dividing time of change to Godly. Pre tribulation I believe. Zec 3:7.

5  Lets pray for the them/us.

Can you imagine when times get rough what most of the splinter group leaders will be doing?  They will be expecting the lay members to feed and take care of them.  They certainly will NOT be helping lay members.  You will be expected to give tithes of the food you have to support the minister and his family.  If he loses his home you will be required to let him move in your better home and you move out.  He will take your car, eat your food and wear your clothes. Don't expect any handouts from our minsters!

Prophet Bob Thiel With New Video: Should Christians Watch Football?

Prophet Thiel waxes on about how he was not allowed to play football while in high school and other silliness.  He quotes HWA on how much he disliked the game and why he only allowed flag football at the colleges. He also knows for sure that football will NOT be allowed in the World Tomorrow/millennium.

According to prophet Thiel, Jesus, Paul and John the Baptist were ALL against the damnable game!!!!!!

Should Christians watch the sport of American tackle football?  Are other violent sports such as boxing appropriate?  What does the Bible teach?  Did early Christians watch violent sports?  What did Jesus, the Apostle Paul, and John the Baptist teach?

One good thing is that he has taken our criticisms of his flailing hands to heart.  He must have them velcroed to the desk.  You can hear him peeling them off everyone once in a while to raise up to make a point.

In the Continuing Church of God you cannot be an appropriate male if you watch football and probably will be close to committing the unpardonable sin if you watch the Super Bowl this coming weekend.  Real Christians don't watch football!  Particularly if you are an appropriate male and need to give opening and closings prayers on Saturdays! 

Ron Weinland: Church Needs to Fast to Break the Shackles and Bring in 63,000 COG Members

Ron Weinland, convicted felon, and narcissistic cult leader of a shrinking harlot daughter of the Worldwide Church of God has released one last letter before he finds his pathetic lying rear end in prison.

GOD WILL GIVE DELIVERANCE:

January 31, 2013

It struck me today that tomorrow will be exactly four years to the day that God’s Church entered into a two-day fast. This past Sabbath, a one-day fast was called, but rather than setting aside a specific day for this fast, it was recommended that over the following week each person set aside a day best suited to them in which to enter this fast.

The Weinerdude thinks he is on par with Esther from Jewish history.  The fast that he has called will be just as powerful and remember like Esther’s was.

Preceding that special fast of four years ago, a sermon series was given that covered the story of Esther in which she told her uncle Mordecai to request of the Jewish people in Persia that they fast for three days for their deliverance. It is an incredible story of how God delivered them and the fact that they so humbled themselves in fasting for such a long length of time. That event is commemorated, even to now, in the Jewish holiday of Purim.

That two-day fast of four years ago began on the weekly Sabbath of January 31, 2009, and the sermon given that day was entitled, “A Great Fast.” The purpose of that special fast was covered in that sermon. The sermon included the story of Elijah and the four hundred and fifty prophets of Baal. King Ahab had gathered people together, including those prophets of Baal, at Mt. Carmel. It is there that Elijah spoke out and challenged the people with a decisive question: “How long will you stagger between two opinions?” He continued by saying, “If the Eternal is God then follow Him, but if Baal, then follow him” (1 Kg. 18:21).

Elijah continued by demonstrating the difference between what God performed through him and that of the four hundred and fifty prophets of Baal who were impotent and futile in all that they attempted. Yet even in all this, neither the King nor the people turned to God. The Church has long understood that God’s purpose in the Thunders and Trumpets of Revelation is similar to what Elijah desired to see in his day, that the people would indeed be moved to turn to God.

That sermon at the end of January in 2009, which explained the purpose of the “great fast” that the Church was engaged in, emphasized the desire that Elijah had, which would not be fulfilled until God intervened in the affairs of mankind toward the end of 6,000 years of man’s self-rule. That is exactly what God is going to do in order to humble this world once the greater power of the Thunders, along with the Trumpets, is released. God’s Church believes that will happen in this daylight portion of the Day of the Lord.

Now that the United States government has made Ron out to be a disgraced fool he is waiting for Jesus Christ to return so he can be freed and vindicated. But Weinerdude has a problem. No one is paying any attention to him.  Poor thing!  Because no one is listening to him from the various COG's. God has delayed the end times in order for the people in the COG's to wake up!  Once you wake up and see the glorious message of the prophet Weinerdude then God can wreak his vengeance upon the world.

As was stated in that sermon, the purpose of that special period of fasting was to petition God so that far larger numbers of people be brought to repentance and acceptance of His truth through the timing, repetition, and power of both the Thunders and Trumpets. God has indeed honored that fast, just as He honored the three-day fast of Esther and the Jewish people in their time, and has revealed some of the power in the Thunders over the past four years. Yet as in the time of Elijah, the world has not responded in the slightest. It was God’s purpose that the greatest power reserved in the Thunders, and the power to be released through the Trumpets, not be unleashed during these past four years. God’s will was to give mankind great mercy and condense this time for the very purpose of bringing many more to be saved in this end-time. 

God has apparently been looking for around 3,000 people who will follow Mr. and Mrs. Weinerdude unquestionably.  Will you follow Mrs. Weinerdude while Ron is in prison?  I f you do you are sure to be one of the 3,000.

As an example, God’s righteous judgment toward His own Church that became lukewarm during the period of Laodicea was “set” in prophecy. Following the death of Herbert W. Armstrong and the end of the period of Philadelphia, God’s own people during Laodicea became so weak that an apostasy (great falling away from the truth) came to pass. All Laodicea had failed to stay alert and on guard as commanded. As a result, they fell asleep spiritually. This sin was far greater than anything the Israelites had done, as they did not have God’s spirit dwelling in them, whereas the Church did. God separated the Church from Himself because of this sin. Yet in His merciful judgment toward Laodicea, God prophesied that He would deliver a remnant of about 3,000 people out of that scattering and bring them back into a relationship with Him.

Have no fear though if you are not one of the 3,000.  You still have another chance.  God has magnified his love for the COG that the number of faithful being saved now will be 63,000.

However, God’s purpose has always been to more fully reveal Himself in His true character and nature in the end-time as part of the Seventh Thunder. One of the greatest attributes of God’s nature toward His creation is that of love. That is magnified in the very mercy He has always shown, yet others seldom have recognized. So toward His own scattered Church, whose sins have been great by becoming lukewarm and then falling asleep spiritually, He is going to magnify the 3,000 who were judged to become a remnant by twenty-one times over, to 63,000 who will be blessed to be awakened spiritually and given the awesome blessing of living on into the Millennial reign of Jesus Christ. This subject matter was covered May 23, 2012, in a post entitled, “God’s Church Reunited.”

For the Church that was scattered after the apostasy of Dec. 17, 1994, this is “good news,” or at least it will become good news once individuals begin to experience this awakening and reuniting in One Body. As God’s plan has progressively been revealed over the past 6,000 years, it is truly coming to an incredible crescendo as the final events of this age become fulfilled and Jesus Christ finally returns in His Kingdom.

Not only will larger numbers of the Church that was scattered be blessed to survive the devastation of end-time events, so will larger numbers within the scattered nations of Israel survive, but that number has not yet been fully established as much will be determined (judged) during the final stages of the Day of the Lord.

The Completion of a Three-Day Fast:

That fast of four years ago was founded upon truth that God has revealed concerning the very purpose of fasting that is found in the Book of Isaiah. The heart and overall purpose is given in one primary verse.

“Isn’t this the fast that I have chosen? Isn’t its purpose to loosen [open or undo] the bands [fetters, cuffs, shackles – that which “holds” captive] of wickedness, to undo [remove] the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that you break [tear down] every yoke [word used for oppression]?” (Is. 58:6).

Weinerdude apparently thinks another day of fasting will help loosen his prison shackles.  Is he looking for some miracle to set him free?  Will there be large earthquake which will tear down his prison walls and electric fence allowing him to roam free again?  Weinerdude seems to think so.

Then the failed prophet and felon write this final paragraph:

God’s Church has come a long way, especially over the past four years. It has gone full circle in order to more perfectly fulfill a purpose God has inspired in the very reason His Church has humbled itself to engage in such a fast that began four years ago. The spiritual type of what Esther and the Jewish people did in their time by a three day fast is exactly what God has inspired His Church to exercise in a very specific purpose that was entered into on that two-day fast of January of 2009. Now this week, a third day has been added to fulfill a spiritual type of the fast of Esther, in seeking deliverance for this world. 

How many more times does Armstrongisms' god have to go "full circle" till he gets it right?  It always seems to be that the members are too stupid to get it right and god has to keep delaying things.  It’s always the members fault and never the criminal leaders and they corrupt thieving families.

What Is Dave Pack Afraid Of? Dennis Asks Dave Pack: Debate Me!

What is Dave Pack afraid of?  

Dear Dave...Debate Me

I'll make this short and to the point.  The day of the One Man show who appoints himself without the vote, approval or even independent recognition of the man being a Prophet, Apostle, Watcher, Witness or Self Appointed expert in the mind of all things God/Jesus/Christ are over.

A couple of years ago I had a great debate with Art Mokarow.  It was very civil and far reaching, well moderated and a lot of fun.  We departed friends.  Reg Killingley was an outstanding moderator and very fair.

Dave....I'd like you to invite me to debate you on all things Bible.  We can chat about what you think is prophecy and I don't.  We can discuss Genesis as myth or science.  We can talk about Gospel Origins , the meaning of Paul as founder of Christianity and how he and the gang just didn't get along all that well.   We can talk about  just where does the Book of Revelation really fit in out world today and should it be used to motivate people about the things which back then must shortly come to pass.

We can discuss failed prophecies of the New Testament characters including Jesus and how everything from the Birth Stories to the Resurrection stories simply do not agree with each other and can't all be correct.  If you think they are correct, coherent and inerrant, then you can tell us all just in what way this is so.

I'll drive to Wadsworth and sit before YOUR congregation in YOUR building at YOUR Sabbath Service and we can chat. Can be formal or informal.   Let me know as soon as possible.  I don't need many notes anymore, don't really have to bone up anymore and can be there with simple time off request.   I'll probably be heading to Rochester to see my aging and fading parents soon and it is not out of the way to swing by. 

Perhaps Dixon Cartwright can come along to report it all for the Journal and you can reach even a bigger COG audience.  I would like a fairly independent party to be there to record the actual things said and by whom.  That "he said, he said," thing Prophet Bob Thiel and RCM are going through is enough of a reason to be sure one does that properly.  

I'd send the same offer to Prophet Bob Thiel, but California is too far and I can't afford the plane ticket.

But in this I am dead serious so get back to me at DennisCDiehl@aol.com and we'll be good to go.  It can be an enriching and maturing experience for both of us. 

Warm regards

Dennis C Diehl

Non-Apostle. Non Prophet.  Nobody...but No More Non-Sense